Mormons: We are Christians, too

[Rhyno]

The Tinman wrote:

None of the Gospels explicitly indicate Jesus's spoken language. Very few people in that time other than an educated scribal elite could speak, read or write biblical Hebrew. There is no indication that Jesus had such an education. Scholars have long suggested that Jesus's everyday tongue was Aramaic, which had been the predominant Semitic language of the ancient Middle East since the Babylonian and Persian Periods. It was the common language for most Jews in Judea and Galilee. It was also possible that Jesus might have had some facility in Greek. In larger cities such as Sepphoris the primary languages were Greek and Aramaic.

In Johns Gospel we are told that some Greeks wanted to speak to Jesus. This suggests that the Greeks could speak Aramaic, or Jesus could speak Greek. Plus with Greek being the language of the Empire, the NT being written in Greek, it wouldn't surprise me that Jesus could speak Greek.

[Rhyno]

HR, so sorry it's taken so long to post this.
Enjoy....

The Nicene Creed says:
I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.
God's Word the Bible says:
Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
Psalms 90:2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.
John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Jeremiah 23:24 Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD.
1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
The Nicene Creed says:
And in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all ages. Light of Light, true God of true God, begotten, not created, of one essence with the Father, through Whom all things were created.
God's Word the Bible says:
John 14:9-10 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
John 10:30 I and my Father are one.
John 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
Colossians 1:15-17 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he has declared him.

[Rhyno]

The Nicene Creed says:
Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven,
God's Word the Bible says:
John 1:1-3, 14 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made....And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,(and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
1 Timothy 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
The Nicene Creed says:
and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, and became man.
God's Word the Bible says:
Matthew 1:18-23 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily. But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.(ALSO Luke 1:26-35)
The Nicene Creed says:
Crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, He suffered and was buried.
God's Word the Bible says:
Mark 15:15 And so Pilate, willing to content the people, released Barabbas unto them, and delivered Jesus, when he had scourged him, to be crucified.
Romans 5:8-9 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

[Rhyno]

The Nicene Creed says:
And the third day He rose again according to the Scriptures.
God's Word the Bible says:
1 Corinthians 15:1-6 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
The Nicene Creed says:
And ascended into heaven,
God's Word the Bible says:
Acts 1:9-11 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
The Nicene Creed says:
and sits at the right hand of the Father.
God's Word the Bible says:
Colossians 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
The Nicene Creed says:
And He shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead;
God's Word the Bible says:
2 Timothy 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
John 5:27-29 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

[Rhyno]

The Nicene Creed says:
Whose Kingdom shall have no end.
God's Word the Bible says:
Luke 1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
The Nicene Creed says:
And I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of Life, Who proceeds from the Father,
God's Word the Bible says:
Job 33:4 The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.
John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
John 14:16-17 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
The Nicene Creed says:
Who together with the Father and the Son is worshipped and glorified;
God's Word the Bible says:
Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name [SINGULAR] of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
The Nicene Creed says:
Who spoke through the prophets.
God's Word the Bible says:
2 Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
The Nicene Creed says:
I believe in one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church.
God's Word the Bible says:
Ephesians 2:19-20, 3:21, 4:4-6 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;...Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen....There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
The Nicene Creed says:
I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins.
God's Word the Bible says:
1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
The Nicene Creed says:
I expect the resurrection of the dead.
God's Word the Bible says:
John 5:28-29 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

[Rhyno]

The Nicene Creed says:
And the life of the age to come. Amen.
God's Word the Bible says:
2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
Luke 18:30 Who shall not receive manifold more in this present time, and in the world to come life everlasting.

[Rhyno]

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The Nicene Creed says:
I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.
God's Word the Bible says:
Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;
Psalms 90:2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.
John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Jeremiah 23:24 Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD.
1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
The Nicene Creed says:
And in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all ages. Light of Light, true God of true God, begotten, not created, of one essence with the Father, through Whom all things were created.
God's Word the Bible says:
John 14:9-10 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
John 10:30 I and my Father are one.
John 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
Colossians 1:15-17 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he has declared him.

[flippin dog]

i'm sorry but mormons get made fun of soo much well how would people like it if i were to made fun of baptists? how about cathalicks? people can spell mormon moron well i don't care i love my church i love the people in it i know god has a plan for me and if you all don't like it then just stay in your church for all i care matter of fact my mother was a baptist and she joined the mormon church cause of my father however i still like the baptists

[Grandpasmurf952]

flippin dog said "i'm sorry but mormons get made fun of soo much well how would people like it if i were to made fun of baptists? how about cathalicks? people can spell mormon moron well i don't care i love my church i love the people in it i know god has a plan for me and if you all don't like it then just stay in your church for all i care matter of fact my mother was a baptist and she joined the mormon church cause of my father however i still like the baptists "

Well, since you are a Baptist you may enjoy reading this account of what the mormons did to a wagon train full of Southern Baptists who were passing through Utah.

The slaughter was done on September 11, 1857, 144 days to the day before the 9-11 tradgedy of the twin towers.

False religions are not necessarily benign!

Here is a detailed truthful account:

http://1857massacre.com/MMM/brigham_young_des...

You will notice that the mormons, who have never apologized for this slaughter which was done in harmony with the blood atonement teachings of Brigham Young, will attack my post calling me a liar, as they do when they feel threatened.

Here is another site which will help you understand that this group that calls itself Christian has no regard for truth in it's defense of it's insane teachings:

http://www.mormonthink.com/lying.htm

False Spiritual teachings can be fatal to the innocent bystander!

Get informed and get involved!

Apathy and ignorance are tools that this group depends on to carry out their agenda!

[PPandF]

Grandpasmurf952 wrote:

flippin dog said "i'm sorry but mormons get made fun of soo much well how would people like it if i were to made fun of baptists? how about cathalicks? people can spell mormon moron well i don't care i love my church i love the people in it i know god has a plan for me and if you all don't like it then just stay in your church for all i care matter of fact my mother was a baptist and she joined the mormon church cause of my father however i still like the baptists "
Well, since you are a Baptist you may enjoy reading this account of what the mormons did to a wagon train full of Southern Baptists who were passing through Utah.
The slaughter was done on September 11, 1857, 144 days to the day before the 9-11 tradgedy of the twin towers.
False religions are not necessarily benign!
Here is a detailed truthful account:
http://1857massacre.com/MMM/brigham_young_des...
You will notice that the mormons, who have never apologized for this slaughter which was done in harmony with the blood atonement teachings of Brigham Young, will attack my post calling me a liar, as they do when they feel threatened.
Here is another site which will help you understand that this group that calls itself Christian has no regard for truth in it's defense of it's insane teachings:
http://www.mormonthink.com/lying.htm
False Spiritual teachings can be fatal to the innocent bystander!
Get informed and get involved!
Apathy and ignorance are tools that this group depends on to carry out their agenda!

Wagon train of 'Southern Baptists'- Lie #1 - the article you point out said most of the victims were Methodists ...
Most of the other stuff is testimony of apostate Mormons I know they don't speak truth, and twist and turn all the story you desire, the one at fault was Lee, much more so, than Brigham Young
but you can say and feel what you want this is a free country.

[Pahoran]

Grandpasmurf952 wrote:

Well, since you are a Baptist

Actually if you could read English you'd realise he's a Mormon.

Grandpasmurf952 wrote:

you may enjoy reading this account of what the mormons did to a wagon train full of Southern Baptists who were passing through Utah.

They weren't Southern Baptists, but I guess it was inevitable that you would claim that they were.

And the massacre was not perpetrated by "the Mormons." *Most* of the Mormons were preparing to resist Johnston's army; the massacre perpetrators were a small group of Mormons, isolated from Church Headquarters.

These are *relevant facts*, Smurf. Why do you never mention them in any of your rants?

Grandpasmurf952 wrote:

The slaughter was done on September 11, 1857, 144 days to the day before the 9-11 tradgedy of the twin towers.

A mere coincidence of dates, but one that unscrupulous demagogues ruthlessly exploit.

Grandpasmurf952 wrote:

False religions are not necessarily benign!

As exemplified by the malign tactics of this follower of "mystical atheism," which is a false religion!

Grandpasmurf952 wrote:

Here is a detailed truthful account:

Actually it is a highly polemical account that makes a number of provably false claims. By your own admission, you rejected several truthful accounts because they did not serve your agenda.

Snip spam.

Grandpasmurf952 wrote:

Here is another site which will help you understand that this group that calls itself Christian has no regard for truth in it's defense of it's insane teachings:

Note that Smurf *knows* he cannot make his case by an honest presentation of facts; he has to rely upon dirty polemical tricks, such as poisoning the well.

Snip more spam.

Grandpasmurf952 wrote:

False Spiritual teachings can be fatal to the innocent bystander!
Get informed and get involved!
Apathy and ignorance are tools that this group depends on to carry out their agenda!

And cheap demagoguery is what you rely upon to carry out yours!

Anyone can argue by exclamation mark!

Here is a website that explains Smurf's technique, and the company he keeps in relying upon it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demagogy

Regards,
Pahoran

[Grandpasmurf952]

PPandF said "Wagon train of 'Southern Baptists'- Lie #1 - the article you point out said most of the victims were Methodists
..."

why you are absolutely right! It was my mistake!

But isn't calling me a liar a bit extreme? You must be a mormon!

Well so what you are saying is it was ok for Brigham Young's men to murder these people because they were methodists and I was trying to trick people into thinking that Brigham Young's people were attacking Southern Baptists?

You people are disgusting.

[Pahoran]

Grandpasmurf952 wrote:

PPandF said "Wagon train of 'Southern Baptists'- Lie #1 - the article you point out said most of the victims were Methodists
..."
why you are absolutely right! It was my mistake!
But isn't calling me a liar a bit extreme? You must be a mormon!
Well so what you are saying is it was ok for Brigham Young's men to murder these people because they were methodists and I was trying to trick people into thinking that Brigham Young's people were attacking Southern Baptists?

No.

He was pointing out that you made the "mistake" of attributing a particular religious affiliation to the MMM victims *when you had no valid reason to believe it*.

Why?

Because you thought it would pander to the personal prejudices of the person to whom you were replying.

And pandering to prejudices is what cheap, nasty, unscrupulous little demagogues do.

Grandpasmurf952 wrote:

You people are disgusting.

You name it, you claim it.

Regards,
Pahoran

[PPandF]

Grandpasmurf952 wrote:

PPandF said "Wagon train of 'Southern Baptists'- Lie #1 - the article you point out said most of the victims were Methodists
..."
why you are absolutely right! It was my mistake!
But isn't calling me a liar a bit extreme? You must be a mormon!
Well so what you are saying is it was ok for Brigham Young's men to murder these people because they were methodists and I was trying to trick people into thinking that Brigham Young's people were attacking Southern Baptists?
You people are disgusting.

You simply know nothing about us, but the Mormon Tabernacle Choir
is enjoyed by many !

[concerned in Brasil]

Hannah Rebekah wrote:

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Great posts....I didn't know all of that...thanks. Sorry if I mis-spoke in your behalf. The part about CIB won't change...he's still a putz. And I don't have to prove I'm a Christian....I am and that is all there is to it. If he doesn't think so that's his problem not mine.

You know the best part about you and Saviorself, LOL ROFL he says I LOL know nothing about the romance languages LOL and you you agree LOL ROFL yet I speak French and Portuguese and both are romance languages and you both don't even speak one LOL.
Two pathetic peas in a pod

BTW he can’t quote one linguistic or historian of any caliber to prove his point he like you makes it up as he or she goes.

[concerned in Brasil]

The Tinman wrote:

None of the Gospels explicitly indicate Jesus's spoken language. Very few people in that time other than an educated scribal elite could speak, read or write biblical Hebrew. There is no indication that Jesus had such an education. Scholars have long suggested that Jesus's everyday tongue was Aramaic, which had been the predominant Semitic language of the ancient Middle East since the Babylonian and Persian Periods. It was the common language for most Jews in Judea and Galilee. It was also possible that Jesus might have had some facility in Greek. In larger cities such as Sepphoris the primary languages were Greek and Aramaic.

Halleluiah and educated man speakth.

[concerned in Brasil]

Rhyno wrote:

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In Johns Gospel we are told that some Greeks wanted to speak to Jesus. This suggests that the Greeks could speak Aramaic, or Jesus could speak Greek. Plus with Greek being the language of the Empire, the NT being written in Greek, it wouldn't surprise me that Jesus could speak Greek.

What about Italian LOL When the moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie thats AMOURAAAAAAAAAAA LOL

[Rhyno]

concerned in Brasil wrote:

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What about Italian LOL When the moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie thats AMOURAAAAAAAAAAA LOL

LOL, yeah.
Or maybe Jesus spoke English [ROFL]

[saviorself]

Hannah Rebekah wrote:

<quoted text>
Great posts....I didn't know all of that...thanks. Sorry if I mis-spoke in your behalf. The part about CIB won't change...he's still a putz. And I don't have to prove I'm a Christian....I am and that is all there is to it. If he doesn't think so that's his problem not mine.

you'ld have a hard time mis-speaking on my behalf on most topics, don't worry about it. CIB ain't a putz, he just wants to be "correct." There's really no such thing when it comes to God unless you're of a certain denomination, and I doubt he's that... though I pity him if he is. There ARE "unChristian" folks on the planet... that moniker applies only to those that reject Christ. You and I and even CIB knows that (or he will.)

[saviorself]

Rhyno wrote:

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LOL, yeah.
Or maybe Jesus spoke English [ROFL]

He spoke it clear as day, that's why you read what He taught (or you could, if you were so inclined to do so) now. The Bible has been translated into more than 3000 languages to date, and now less than 5% of the entire population of the earth has read the story of the Lambs sacrifice in their native tongue. I had you pegged for being more learned, was I mistaken?