As a taxpayer, aren't you sick of subsidizing the wealthy corporations?

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MAKES SENSE

Lemont, IL

#1 Nov 6, 2013
Now, when it comes to raising the minimum wage, conservatives always say it's a non-starter because it cuts into profits. Well, yeah. Of course. Paying workers is one of those unfortunate expenses of running a business... you know, like taxes, or making a product.

If you want to get rich with a tax-free enterprise that sells nothing, start a church.

You might think that paying people enough to live is so self-evident that even crazy people could understand it, but you would be wrong.

Michele Bachmann is not only against raising the minimum wage, she's against having one at all. She once said "if we took away the minimum wage... we could virtually wipe out unemployment because we would be able to offer jobs at whatever level."

Put that in your brain and smoke it. You could hire everyone if you didn't have to pay them. And naturally, Ted Cruz agrees.Ted Cruz thinks it's a good thing that when his Cuban father came to America he was paid $.50 an hour to work as a dishwasher.

When did the American dream become this pathway to indentured servitude? This economic death spiral where workers get paid next to nothing, so they can only afford to buy next to nothing, so businesses are forced to sell cheaper and cheaper sh!t?

Walmart employees can only afford to shop at Walmart. McDonalds workers can only afford to eat at McDonalds. And Hooters waitresses have to wear shirts they grew out of years ago.

Even if you're not moved by the "don't be such a heartless prick" argument, consider the fact that most fast food workers, whose average age by the way now is 29, we're not talking about kids, are on some form of public assistance. Which is not surprising. When even working people can't make enough to live, they take money from the government in the form of food stamps, school lunches, housing assistance, day care. This is the welfare that conservatives hate.

But they never stop to think, if we raised the minimum wage and forced McDonalds and Walmart to pay their employees enough to eat, we the taxpayers wouldn't have to pick up the slack.

This is the question the right has to answer. Do you want smaller government with less handouts, or do you want a low minimum wage? Because you cannot have both.

If Col. Sanders isn't going to pay the lady behind the counter enough to live on, then Uncle Sam has to, and I for one am getting a little tired of helping highly profitable companies pay their workers.
Open your eyes

Lemont, IL

#2 Nov 13, 2013
Unfortunately, we taxpayers subsidize corporations heavily, and not only by helping support the workers who get McDonald's slave wages. Large polluting companies get out of paying the full cost of repairing the environmental damage they cause -- the US taxpayer picks up the tab. Tax breaks to financial companies who engage in economic shenanigans are another instance. And I won't even go into the taxpayer-financed bailouts for the firms that brought on the Great Recession. It often seems that the corporations who behave the most outrageously get the biggest taxpayer “gifts”. It's pretty depressing to see who gets the greatest benefit of our tax dollars. It sure isn't the people on food stamps and other forms of public assistance, but they are unfortunately the ones who get demonized.

Since: Dec 12

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#3 Nov 13, 2013
MAKES SENSE wrote:
Now, when it comes to raising the minimum wage, conservatives always say it's a non-starter because it cuts into profits. Well, yeah. Of course. Paying workers is one of those unfortunate expenses of running a business... you know, like taxes, or making a product.
If you want to get rich with a tax-free enterprise that sells nothing, start a church.
You might think that paying people enough to live is so self-evident that even crazy people could understand it, but you would be wrong.
Michele Bachmann is not only against raising the minimum wage, she's against having one at all. She once said "if we took away the minimum wage... we could virtually wipe out unemployment because we would be able to offer jobs at whatever level."
Put that in your brain and smoke it. You could hire everyone if you didn't have to pay them. And naturally, Ted Cruz agrees.Ted Cruz thinks it's a good thing that when his Cuban father came to America he was paid $.50 an hour to work as a dishwasher.
When did the American dream become this pathway to indentured servitude? This economic death spiral where workers get paid next to nothing, so they can only afford to buy next to nothing, so businesses are forced to sell cheaper and cheaper sh!t?
Walmart employees can only afford to shop at Walmart. McDonalds workers can only afford to eat at McDonalds. And Hooters waitresses have to wear shirts they grew out of years ago.
Even if you're not moved by the "don't be such a heartless prick" argument, consider the fact that most fast food workers, whose average age by the way now is 29, we're not talking about kids, are on some form of public assistance. Which is not surprising. When even working people can't make enough to live, they take money from the government in the form of food stamps, school lunches, housing assistance, day care. This is the welfare that conservatives hate.
But they never stop to think, if we raised the minimum wage and forced McDonalds and Walmart to pay their employees enough to eat, we the taxpayers wouldn't have to pick up the slack.
This is the question the right has to answer. Do you want smaller government with less handouts, or do you want a low minimum wage? Because you cannot have both.
If Col. Sanders isn't going to pay the lady behind the counter enough to live on, then Uncle Sam has to, and I for one am getting a little tired of helping highly profitable companies pay their workers.
I have heard this numerous times before and never gotten a number from anyone complaining of the wages paid. At what rate should the minimum wage be set? I want an actual rate please do not respond with a living wage number. Then please explain why you think it should be set. Please do not say a living wage either.

Since: Mar 12

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#4 Nov 13, 2013
I'm all for very wealthy corporations paying their employees more. I won't shop at Wal-Mart because I feel that the Walton family are the most evil people on the planet.

Having said that, if there's a "minimum" set on how much workers have to be paid, then these companies are gonna go out and find employees worth that amount of money.

If McDonald's starts paying $15/hr with benefits, they're gonna go out and find a bunch of $15/hr employees. The unemployed computer specialist with a college degree will find it worth it to now work at McDonalds. The high school dropout with no skill-set will once again be out of a job as they will all be replaced by a higher caliber worker.

Higher pay would mean a larger disparity between the haves and have-nots in this country

Since: Dec 12

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#5 Nov 13, 2013
Storkleton wrote:
I'm all for very wealthy corporations paying their employees more. I won't shop at Wal-Mart because I feel that the Walton family are the most evil people on the planet.
Having said that, if there's a "minimum" set on how much workers have to be paid, then these companies are gonna go out and find employees worth that amount of money.
If McDonald's starts paying $15/hr with benefits, they're gonna go out and find a bunch of $15/hr employees. The unemployed computer specialist with a college degree will find it worth it to now work at McDonalds. The high school dropout with no skill-set will once again be out of a job as they will all be replaced by a higher caliber worker.
Higher pay would mean a larger disparity between the haves and have-nots in this country
Why are those people with college degrees working at McDonalds and Wal-Mart? Simple supply and demand. There is a huge supply of surplus labor and a high demand for jobs. There are over 91 million people who have left the job market and with business leery of doing any substantial hiring that number is likely to increase. Think back to the boom times when regulation and taxes on business was relaxed what happened? Well in the 90's the internet boom started. The labor market tightened, meaning companies had to compete for workers and wages rose. Companies like Wal Mart and McDonalds had to compete for lets face facts here low skilled entry level workers. Wages rose for those workers as well. Contrast that to the 70's with price controls and what did you get? Inflation followed by stagflation. High unemployment and low wages.

Bottom line if you want higher wages, reduce the tax burden on people and corporations. Reduce regulations on companies as well, take the shackles off the American industry. Reduce energy costs by allowing fracking, go nuclear, put up more turbines, and get Keynesian economics out of government.
Pffft

Lemont, IL

#6 Nov 14, 2013
EJCDad wrote:
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Bottom line if you want higher wages, reduce the tax burden on people and corporations.
Um, are you SERIOUS? Have you been under a rock for the past 30 years??

Been there, done that.

And just WHAT did those lovely Regan tax cuts get us??

What ACTUALLY "trickled down"??

Only PISSS on the middle class and poor.

NO JOBS AT ALL, let alone decent-paying ones!
Barry Goldwater

Lockport, IL

#7 Nov 14, 2013
I wish the free market existed. You guys still believe and that is very touching. You are going to get a American recovery ala 1983 because every last drop has been squeezed from the middle class. It is now come home time before the American Spring spawns revolution. Obama leaves, the money faction opens up the spigot and out of nowhere comes recovery. There is no logical reason for it just like the despair of the late 1970's. Remember all that BS they taught you in civics and FOX News propagandizes it never existed. It is still the best system in the world but it is still criminal.
Barrys moms pimp

Naperville, IL

#8 Nov 14, 2013
Barry Goldwater wrote:
I wish the free market existed. You guys still believe and that is very touching. You are going to get a American recovery ala 1983 because every last drop has been squeezed from the middle class. It is now come home time before the American Spring spawns revolution. Obama leaves, the money faction opens up the spigot and out of nowhere comes recovery. There is no logical reason for it just like the despair of the late 1970's. Remember all that BS they taught you in civics and FOX News propagandizes it never existed. It is still the best system in the world but it is still criminal.
your momma squeezed every last drop out of a dirty puerto rican last night, boy was he happy.
Barry Goldwater

Lockport, IL

#9 Nov 15, 2013
Barrys moms pimp wrote:
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your momma squeezed every last drop out of a dirty puerto rican last night, boy was he happy.
Hardliner back at Starbuck offering extra cream...only to the navy men. He is very patriotic and disappointed since failing the Utah conceal carry. Studied all night and still failed the urine test.
Barrys mothers pimp

Naperville, IL

#10 Nov 15, 2013
Barry Goldwater wrote:
<quoted text>Hardliner back at Starbuck offering extra cream...only to the navy men. He is very patriotic and disappointed since failing the Utah conceal carry. Studied all night and still failed the urine test.
???

Your mother swallows my man cream.
Barry Goldwater

Lockport, IL

#11 Nov 15, 2013
Barrys mothers pimp wrote:
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???
Your mother swallows my man cream.
It's OK, there will be another gun course. You will feel like a man again? Maybe not. Didn't mean to get your hopes up. Back to the latte machine.
Barrys mothers pimp

Naperville, IL

#12 Nov 15, 2013
Barry Goldwater wrote:
<quoted text>It's OK, there will be another gun course. You will feel like a man again? Maybe not. Didn't mean to get your hopes up. Back to the latte machine.
The only concealment issue I'm concerned with are the "man guns" that are in your mothers mouth earning me money. I guess you could refer to your mother as a latte machine; she froths cream as well.
Barry Goldwater

Lockport, IL

#13 Nov 15, 2013
Barrys mothers pimp wrote:
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The only concealment issue I'm concerned with are the "man guns" that are in your mothers mouth earning me money. I guess you could refer to your mother as a latte machine; she froths cream as well.
You are one angry little girl, back to the counter or I should say bent over the counter your favorite receiving point. Hardreceiver is your new name.
Barrys mothers pimp

Naperville, IL

#14 Nov 15, 2013
Barry Goldwater wrote:
<quoted text>You are one angry little girl, back to the counter or I should say bent over the counter your favorite receiving point. Hardreceiver is your new name.
Your mother likes it up the azzzzz.

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