To The People Who Don't Smoke Weed.

To The People Who Don't Smoke Weed.

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Bud Good

Cantonment, FL

#1 Oct 24, 2013
Leave me alone.

And I'll do the same for you.
huntz hall

Syracuse, NY

#2 Oct 25, 2013
To the Topix POT HEADS...Go F Yourself!
Rev Al

Brooklyn, NY

#3 Oct 25, 2013
It's ironic how cigarette smoking is seen as dirty and unhealthy, cancerous etc.. But the gov't and all the dopers wan't to legalize pot that has more cancer causing toxins than cigarettes not to mention it turns you into a mental midget.
By the way I don't smoke either.
Bud Good

Cantonment, FL

#5 Oct 25, 2013
Get a clue, Al:

http://www.wakingtimes.com/2013/07/27/34-medi...

http://www.abovetheignorance.org/
Rev Al wrote:
It's ironic how cigarette smoking is seen as dirty and unhealthy, cancerous etc.. But the gov't and all the dopers wan't to legalize pot that has more cancer causing toxins than cigarettes not to mention it turns you into a mental midget.
By the way I don't smoke either.
Midgets are born, not made, "pal".

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#6 Oct 25, 2013
Bud Good wrote:
Get a clue, Al:
http://www.wakingtimes.com/2013/07/27/34-medi...
http://www.abovetheignorance.org/<quoted text>
Midgets are born, not made, "pal".
Oh I have a clue I worked with potheads and they never had an original thought and when they ran out of dope they were nasty bastards. Smokin dope first thing in the morning. If you need something to fog your brain to get through the day you have a problem.
And you can cherry pick any study you want to get the desirable answers you need to rationalize your pot addiction.
lifelong bong

Syracuse, NY

#7 Oct 25, 2013
The 2006 UCLA study done by Dr. Tashkin remains one of the most comprehensive of it's kind. It takes time to break down the lies people have been fed for nearly 100 years. Cannabis users are not on a mission to recruit more users. They only want to cultivate and consume a plant that's been used for centuries. A plant that holds tremendous medical benefits for millions of users from all walks of life. CNN's Dr. Sanjay Gupta has now reversed his position on cannabis very clearly stating "Well I am here to apologize". http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/08/health/gupta-ch...
...and Dr Tashkin's study was addressed here:
Washington Post: "The largest study of its kind has unexpectedly concluded that smoking marijuana, even regularly and heavily, does not lead to lung cancer.
The new findings "were against our expectations," said Donald Tashkin of the University of California at Los Angeles, a pulmonologist who has studied marijuana for 30 years.
"We hypothesized that there would be a positive association between marijuana use and lung cancer, and that the association would be more positive with heavier use," he said. "What we found instead was no association at all, and even a suggestion of some protective effect."
Federal health and drug enforcement officials have widely used Tashkin's previous work on marijuana to make the case that the drug is dangerous. Tashkin said that while he still believes marijuana is potentially harmful, its cancer-causing effects appear to be of less concern than previously thought.
Earlier work established that marijuana does contain cancer-causing chemicals as potentially harmful as those in tobacco, he said. However, marijuana also contains the chemical THC, which he said may kill aging cells and keep them from becoming cancerous.
Tashkin's study, funded by the National Institutes of Health's National Institute on Drug Abuse, involved 1,200 people in Los Angeles who had lung, neck or head cancer and an additional 1,040 people without cancer matched by age, sex and neighborhood.
They were all asked about their lifetime use of marijuana, tobacco and alcohol. The heaviest marijuana smokers had lighted up more than 22,000 times, while moderately heavy usage was defined as smoking 11,000 to 22,000 marijuana cigarettes. Tashkin found that even the very heavy marijuana smokers showed no increased incidence of the three cancers studied.
"This is the largest case-control study ever done, and everyone had to fill out a very extensive questionnaire about marijuana use," he said. "Bias can creep into any research, but we controlled for as many confounding factors as we could, and so I believe these results have real meaning."
Tashkin's group at the David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA had hypothesized that marijuana would raise the risk of cancer on the basis of earlier small human studies, lab studies of animals, and the fact that marijuana users inhale more deeply and generally hold smoke in their lungs longer than tobacco smokers -- exposing them to the dangerous chemicals for a longer time. In addition, Tashkin said, previous studies found that marijuana tar has 50 percent higher concentrations of chemicals linked to cancer than tobacco cigarette tar.
While no association between marijuana smoking and cancer was found, the study findings, presented to the American Thoracic Society International Conference this week, did find a 20-fold increase in lung cancer among people who smoked two or more packs of cigarettes a day.
The study was limited to people younger than 60 because those older than that were generally not exposed to marijuana in their youth, when it is most often tried."
it's just a matter of time until we'll see cannabis completely de-criminalized, prescribed as medicine, then made completely legal, sold openly, regulated and taxed as is booze. so we can listen to the likes of the ignorant (Al) or we can embrace the forward thinking scholars who embrace truth like the good Drs.
lifelong bong

Syracuse, NY

#8 Oct 25, 2013
A 2006 UCLA study done by Dr. Tashkin remains one of the most comprehensive of it's kind. It takes time to break down the lies people have been fed for nearly 100 years. Cannabis users are not on a mission to recruit more users. They only want to cultivate and consume a plant that's been used for centuries. A plant that holds tremendous medical benefits for millions of users from all walks of life. CNN's Dr. Sanjay Gupta has now reversed his position on cannabis very clearly stating "Well I am here to apologize". http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/08/health/gupta-ch...

it's just a matter of time until we'll see cannabis completely de-criminalized, prescribed as medicine, then made completely legal, sold openly, regulated and taxed as is booze. so we can listen to the likes of the ignorant (Al) or we can embrace the forward thinking scholars who embrace truth like the good Drs.
lifelong bong

Syracuse, NY

#9 Oct 25, 2013
didn't know it the pasted info was too long to post so i attempted to divide it but i see that it's all here so the 2nd post is of course redundant. truth is worth repeating i guess. :-)
lifelong bong

Syracuse, NY

#10 Oct 25, 2013
dustyroads wrote:
<quoted text>Oh I have a clue I worked with potheads and they never had an original thought and when they ran out of dope they were nasty bastards. Smokin dope first thing in the morning. If you need something to fog your brain to get through the day you have a problem.
And you can cherry pick any study you want to get the desirable answers you need to rationalize your pot addiction.
don't have to cherry pick my friend. The cherries are ripe and falling off the trees by the bushel! I just had my morning coffee.(my addiction) Did you know you can overdose on caffeine? I've got it under control though. I can quit any time I want.:-) Cannabis on the other hand simply does not rise to that level. 20 States so far have legalized cannabis for medical use including Washington DC!

Fox News: "Attorney General Eric Holder gave a green light to two states whose efforts to legalize marijuana had been locked in by legal uncertainty for more than nine months. With that announcement, Colorado and Washington -- both of which passed pro-pot initiatives at the polls last November -- can now proceed with establishing a framework for the taxation and regulation of legal weed for adults."

Which states will follow? Full legalization will be most likely in states that allow citizen ballot initiatives so watch for those who already have put the wheels in motion.
Alaska, Arizona, California, Nevada, Oregon, Maine, Mass., Montana, Nevada, Rhode Island, Vermont, all poised to join Washington state and Colorado. NY won't be far behind when our govt witnesses the enormous financial benefits of legalization.

Since: Feb 11

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#11 Oct 25, 2013
I see that you miss the big picture. Like I said you can rationalize anything . The fact is it is an addictive drug that has no redeeming qualities for the recreational user. The Government as usual ignores the detrimental use of this to generate revenue. The fact is it will still be produced illegally and cost the taxpayer to prosecute.
Keep your forward thinking brain fogged . My personal belief is that there is no such thing as recreational use of the drug it is just a way hide from life.
Just Sayin

Penn Yan, NY

#12 Oct 25, 2013
lifelong bong wrote:
<quoted text> don't have to cherry pick my friend. The cherries are ripe and falling off the trees by the bushel! I just had my morning coffee.(my addiction) Did you know you can overdose on caffeine? I've got it under control though. I can quit any time I want.:-) Cannabis on the other hand simply does not rise to that level. 20 States so far have legalized cannabis for medical use including Washington DC!
Fox News: "Attorney General Eric Holder gave a green light to two states whose efforts to legalize marijuana had been locked in by legal uncertainty for more than nine months. With that announcement, Colorado and Washington -- both of which passed pro-pot initiatives at the polls last November -- can now proceed with establishing a framework for the taxation and regulation of legal weed for adults."
Which states will follow? Full legalization will be most likely in states that allow citizen ballot initiatives so watch for those who already have put the wheels in motion.
Alaska, Arizona, California, Nevada, Oregon, Maine, Mass., Montana, Nevada, Rhode Island, Vermont, all poised to join Washington state and Colorado. NY won't be far behind when our govt witnesses the enormous financial benefits of legalization.
Put down the joint! you rambled on for about NOTHING!
lifelong bong

Syracuse, NY

#13 Oct 25, 2013
dustyroads wrote:
I see that you miss the big picture. Like I said you can rationalize anything . The fact is it is an addictive drug that has no redeeming qualities for the recreational user. The Government as usual ignores the detrimental use of this to generate revenue. The fact is it will still be produced illegally and cost the taxpayer to prosecute.
Keep your forward thinking brain fogged . My personal belief is that there is no such thing as recreational use of the drug it is just a way hide from life.
If ignorance is bliss you're in frkn heaven! Ever have a glass of wine?(recreational use of a TOXIC substance) There are your "personal beliefs" and there is science. There are FACTS. There are millions of people and centuries of EVIDENCE that prove you wrong but you go 'head... with those "beliefs". LOL "Produced illegaly"? Where the fk did you come up with that one? In Colo. ind Washington state they're very clearly and purposely putting in place a system of legal cultivation, inspection, distribution and regulation to serve the medical and now recreational market for cannabis. Nothing foggy about my views. They're based in fact and knowledge. Yours are simple, tired, old stereotypical cliches'. It's you that can't see the "big picture". Please don't go all "gateway" on us now or you'll get more undeniable facts shoved up that ignorant brain cavity you sit on.
lifelong bong

Syracuse, NY

#14 Oct 25, 2013
Just Sayin wrote:
<quoted text>Put down the joint! you rambled on for about NOTHING!
Try, really try to make a complete coherent sentence umkay?
lifelong bong

Syracuse, NY

#15 Oct 25, 2013
Addictive drug? The large majority of people who try marijuana do it experimentally and never become addicted. Unlike other substances, pot has very few severe withdrawal symptoms and most people can quit rather easily.
Compared to other substances, marijuana is not very addicting. It is estimated that 32% of tobacco users will become addicted, 23% of heroin users, 17% of cocaine users, and 15% of alcohol users. Cocaine and heroin are more physically harmful and nicotine is much more addictive. It is much harder to quit smoking cigarettes than it is to quit smoking pot. Most people are able to quit with only mild withdrawal symptoms.(a couple restless night's sleep) And, compared to other recreational drugs, marijuana is relatively harmless. But, it is not completely harmless because what is more serious than its addictive consequences are the legal ones. Yes the greatest damage to society from cannabis use it that of our FAILED WAR ON IT!
...but that's changing. The new CNN poll says 58% of Americans now favor legalization. About frkn time!
Conjunction Dysfunction

Westernville, NY

#16 Oct 25, 2013
Don't be an idiot and quote Hightimes articles. That's like quoting Hustler in support of Sex Addiction. Legalization will increase government revenue through massive taxes. You think $10/pack a cigarette is bad? You'll be praying for the nickel bag prices of pre-legalization. You probably think, I'll just grow it myself. When you start cutting into the profit margins of tobacco corporations (ultimately the largest producers of legalized cannabis) the fines, legal battles, and jail terms will extrapolate. Why mess with what you've got. Grow it or buy it and don't involve corporations or government. BTW you can find just as many websites that don't promote it ( http://www.mmyvofficial.org/marijuana-related... ). I could care less either way.

Since: Oct 13

Hamilton, NY

#17 Oct 25, 2013
lifelong bong wrote:
The 2006 UCLA study done by Dr. Tashkin remains one of the most comprehensive of it's kind.....
Thank you for taking the time to post this. I appreciate the factually-supported and intelligent debating you've done here. I especially liked Gupta's article. It seemed to include a complete and unbiased examination. It's frustrating to see your efforts ignored, your facts dismissed without supporting evidence, and unfounded accusations used in place of quality arguments by ignorant people. I'm impressed and disheartened at the same time. So much infrastructure wasted on the criminalization of such a weak drug. It makes me so sad for us.
Just Sayin

Syracuse, NY

#18 Oct 25, 2013
Get off da dugs! You sound really STUPID!
Just Sayin

New Hartford, NY

#19 Oct 25, 2013
RFA88 wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you for taking the time to post this. I appreciate the factually-supported and intelligent debating you've done here. I especially liked Gupta's article. It seemed to include a complete and unbiased examination. It's frustrating to see your efforts ignored, your facts dismissed without supporting evidence, and unfounded accusations used in place of quality arguments by ignorant people. I'm impressed and disheartened at the same time. So much infrastructure wasted on the criminalization of such a weak drug. It makes me so sad for us.
Get a JOB! You lowlife druggie!
lifelong bong

Watertown, NY

#20 Oct 26, 2013
Conjunction Dysfunction wrote:
Don't be an idiot and quote Hightimes articles. That's like quoting Hustler in support of Sex Addiction. Legalization will increase government revenue through massive taxes. You think $10/pack a cigarette is bad? You'll be praying for the nickel bag prices of pre-legalization. You probably think, I'll just grow it myself. When you start cutting into the profit margins of tobacco corporations (ultimately the largest producers of legalized cannabis) the fines, legal battles, and jail terms will extrapolate. Why mess with what you've got. Grow it or buy it and don't involve corporations or government. BTW you can find just as many websites that don't promote it ( http://www.mmyvofficial.org/marijuana-related... ). I could care less either way.
posting from my weekend location
wtf is that web link? it's total BS! marijuana deaths? well maybe if you're in a country that executes you for possession. maybe if you die in jail here or elsewhere. the site is so blatantly idiotic it's beneath any reasonable response. nothing i cited was from High Times Magazine. i don't care for the publication myself as it's aimed at a younger demographic. the UCLA/Tashkin study was first published in Scientific American and later acknowledged by the AMA and NEJM just to name a few.(look 'em up. i'll not spoon feed) I also quoted the Washington Post. i mentioned some reliable sources for accurate info on another thread. they include but are not limited to: Law Enforcement Against Prohibition (LEAP), Common Sense for Drug Policy (CSDP), Cannabis Network Radio, and NORML. David Kowalski of Cannabis Network is one of our nation's most passionate and effective activists. I'm hoping to meet him this coming summer when his "Weed Not Greed" tour travels across the USA. Staffed by David and his associates the tour will be traversing our country in a 45 foot rolling billboard/bus/stage to spread truth and break down the tired old cliches you and other dinosaurs still cling to. the momentum is definitely on the side of legalization. i do agree that legalization will not greatly change the lives of current cannabis users. the plant is easier to get than cough syrup. so why would we "mess with what we've got"? well my friend it's because good people are put in in jail every day for possessing a plant. that's something worth fighting against....and your take on the price of cannabis post legalization is as wrong as the rest of your antiquated views. Colorado and Washington state's models acknowledge that taxation and retail pricing will be at a level that makes dealing in the black market not worth the effort. California and a host of other medical cannabis states have been successful for years in that regard. So do yourself a favor. Stop repeating tired old lies. Science, factual evidence, and now over 58% of America (growing rapidly) are rejecting your moronic "reefer madness". It's time.
idiots

Saranac Lake, NY

#21 Oct 26, 2013
I think it's wonderful that they want to legalize weed. I don't smoke it and it's only going to expose undesirables in society. Go ahead smoke up, and just like alcoholics, I'll have better employment opportunities than you, I'll get promotions over you, my kids will be more successful than yours because I won't be dopped up all the time and will be able to be a proper parent. Lol you think this is a great move and just because it's does not change the stigma and the affects this drug carries. Go ahead losers, there will be less of you driving that's for sure, DUI's will be as prevalent as DWI's. Loool you're idiots.

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