Say 'NO' To Free College For Prisoners

Say 'NO' To Free College For Prisoners

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Seriously

Rome, NY

#1 Feb 20, 2014
The program would offer associate's and bachelor's degree education at 10 prisons, which Cuomo says will reduce the likelihood of inmates returning to crime. He proposes spending about $5,000 a year for an inmate's education.
ummmmmmmmmmmmmm

Rome, NY

#2 Feb 20, 2014
just get picked up for drugs and you also can get free education!
Grad

Rome, NY

#3 Feb 20, 2014
Would Mr. Cuomo please write off my college loans?
Yes I am an idiot

Liverpool, NY

#4 Feb 20, 2014
Yes I am.
Is he trying to piss people off or is he just that out of touch.

Yes also a drug user and a moron
tough call

Syracuse, NY

#5 Feb 20, 2014
$5 grand a year for an inmate's education vs the cost of repeated incarcerations seems like a good investment if you view it purely from a dollars standpoint. ...but if you're one of those folks who can't get past your own hate even when something benefits you, well then just vote the governor out of office come november. good luck with that. ;-)
Not a tough call

Fayetteville, NY

#6 Feb 20, 2014
Has nothing to do with hate. This is a concept that might be acceptable if he looked for donations of the supplies and get the proffessors to teach for free.
I agree with you Cuomo will not get voted out.
It seems that he is trying to infurate anybody not in line with his agenda.
He is distrubting wealth from the wrong pockets.
Try educating them before prison, wait we try to.
Just a mater of fact that not everybody is the same, some will and some won't.
I will save you time, yes drug user, idiot and a moron.
George

Utica, NY

#7 Feb 20, 2014
Expand vocational training in ny prisons
oldtimer

Rome, NY

#8 Feb 20, 2014
Education is one of the keys to rehabilitation. I agree with spending $5,000.00 for education for inmates. I do however believe it must be coupled with additional services, one of them being job placement. If an inmate gets a degree, it is still difficult for them to find work. If the inmate is a felon, it gets almost impossible for them to get a job. However, I do believe that many employers would give these folks a second shot at life, but they do not know how capable some of those being released are. In order to get the 'good ones' out into the workforce, there should be an expanded half way house program. If they do well, release them early. I also believe that there should be some vocational training. We need plumbers, carpenters, electricians, masons, welders as well as a whole host of skilled tradesmen and tradeswomen. Yup, ladies can be those previously mentioned folks. Many 'inmates' are in jail for less serious crimes, including 'white collar'. Those folks screwed up, but need a hand up too. One more thing. What ever happened to the ideology in this country, that once a person paid for their crimes that they should be given a chance to 'give back' to the community and country? Or, do we just keep pounding all these folks down, until they have little choice but to return to crime as a way to make a living?
huntz hall

Syracuse, NY

#9 Feb 20, 2014
This is a complete colossal waste of good taxpayer $$. An overwhelming majority of NYS inmates are dropouts. You put a map of the U.S. in front of them they couldn't even pick NY out of it. Collectively they have the IQs of 2 cinder blocks. The only thing they know how to do is fight, phfuck, rob, steal, do drugs, and impregnate women & abandon them. They have no concept of how reality is where you work and obey the laws. Years ago Jesse Jackson said it cost about $45K /year to house & clothe a prison inmate. He said that money can be used to send the criminal to college to get an education.
Bullshit!!! So if a drug dealer whacks 2 people moving in on his turf he should be sent to Utica College for 4 years at state expense to get a business management degree? People....stop and turn your brain on. This is the real world...not Disneyland!!!
The Industry

Fayetteville, NY

#10 Feb 20, 2014
oldtimer wrote:
Or, do we just keep pounding all these folks down, until they have little choice but to return to crime as a way to make a living?
Got to have criminal to keep cops and all related jobs busy. So yes.
You are probally the same type that want cigs banned, the medical field needs those dirty smokers.
tough call

Syracuse, NY

#11 Feb 20, 2014
oldtimer wrote:
Education is one of the keys to rehabilitation. I agree with spending $5,000.00 for education for inmates. I do however believe it must be coupled with additional services, one of them being job placement. If an inmate gets a degree, it is still difficult for them to find work. If the inmate is a felon, it gets almost impossible for them to get a job. However, I do believe that many employers would give these folks a second shot at life, but they do not know how capable some of those being released are. In order to get the 'good ones' out into the workforce, there should be an expanded half way house program. If they do well, release them early. I also believe that there should be some vocational training. We need plumbers, carpenters, electricians, masons, welders as well as a whole host of skilled tradesmen and tradeswomen. Yup, ladies can be those previously mentioned folks. Many 'inmates' are in jail for less serious crimes, including 'white collar'. Those folks screwed up, but need a hand up too. One more thing. What ever happened to the ideology in this country, that once a person paid for their crimes that they should be given a chance to 'give back' to the community and country? Or, do we just keep pounding all these folks down, until they have little choice but to return to crime as a way to make a living?
careful now oldtimer. coming on here with thoughtful, insightful dialog doesn't feed the animals what they crave. it's not their fault really. they're worthy only of pity and to be voted into oblivion again and again.
ward

Rome, NY

#12 Feb 20, 2014
I guess staying in schol and doing the right thing is not good behavior. Go out and commit a crime and get your education paid for. No student loans just a free education. Whats next an employer will have to put a convicted fellon on top of the list. For the people that say some crimes are different. A crime is a crime , you wrre doing something against the law. Evan if you think it should not be against the law (pot). It is a crime. Do not reward a convicted felon with a free college education.
tough call

Syracuse, NY

#13 Feb 20, 2014
ward wrote:
I guess staying in schol and doing the right thing is not good behavior. Go out and commit a crime and get your education paid for. No student loans just a free education. Whats next an employer will have to put a convicted fellon on top of the list. For the people that say some crimes are different. A crime is a crime , you wrre doing something against the law. Evan if you think it should not be against the law (pot). It is a crime. Do not reward a convicted felon with a free college education.
your gut reaction is understood but you're thinking with the wrong organ. use the one in your noggin. do the math.$5 grand vs a lifetime of incarceration as recidivism flourishes... that' gotta cost much much more. or should we just execute 'em all? then we can shoot those who drive 5 mph over the limit. it's a crime! do have a brother in florida?
Hey

Fayetteville, NY

#14 Feb 20, 2014
I'm entitled to drive 5 mph over, I'm one of the work horses. Your in my way.
I'm also entitled to bitch about things, like those horrible wellies that are eating up my check.
It taking away good money from the war machine.
Of course

Rome, NY

#15 Feb 20, 2014
tough call wrote:
$5 grand a year for an inmate's education vs the cost of repeated incarcerations seems like a good investment if you view it purely from a dollars standpoint....but if you're one of those folks who can't get past your own hate even when something benefits you, well then just vote the governor out of office come november. good luck with that. ;-)
Or if you're simply that na´ve, or stupid to actually think that will make a difference on whether an scumbag will actually do something with that FREE education they got, and not come back to jail again. WAKE UP.
Trust Me

Rome, NY

#16 Feb 20, 2014
This bunch of crap is just another BS move by our beloved bully Gov. Hitler.........ooops, I mean Cuomo! My kids, along with thousands of other honest, hard working NYers' kids can't afford to go to college, but yet lets give a free ride to murderers, rapists, pedophiles, and drug dealers!!! Makes sense to me. And for you bleeding hearts that think it's a wise investment, so it will magically make them all better members of society..........NOPE. The state corrections department already tried this before. They could get college classes/degrees while in prison for 20 years plus (75-95). It didn't make a bit of difference in the return rate of convicted felons.
Higher Ed

Chittenango, NY

#17 Feb 20, 2014
Of course wrote:
<quoted text> Or if you're simply that na´ve, or stupid to actually think that will make a difference on whether an scumbag will actually do something with that FREE education they got, and not come back to jail again. WAKE UP.
You might want to check the statistics on that Einstein.
Higher Ed

Chittenango, NY

#18 Feb 20, 2014
Trust Me

Rome, NY

#19 Feb 21, 2014
Higher Ed wrote:
<quoted text> You might want to check the statistics on that Einstein.
Oh boy, one of those "statistics" believers! lol. You mean that big 46 percent lower return rate for those "educated in prison criminals"?? Please......get with the REAL WORLD. And so tell me Mr.know it all........ what percentage of the total incarcerated population is even close to being ready for a college level class in the first place???? A huge percentage of these convicts didn't bother to stay in school past 8th grade. So how long do you think you would need to be in prison to attain that college education(if they even gave a rats ass in the first place?) And the article doesn't seem to talk about the breakdown of "lower return percentages" comparing things like AGE, RACE, TYPE OF CRIME, or even geographic area involved in that little article. Cause I'm quite sure those FREE college classes will stop those RAPISTS, and PEDOPHILES from doing it again. Show me those statistics. Show me where the waste of hard working, LAW ABIDING, citizens tax money is being well spent on inmates in prison, while there is a HUGE amount of kids that want to go to college, and deserve to.....but can't afford it!!
tough call

Syracuse, NY

#20 Feb 21, 2014
Trust Me wrote:
<quoted text> Oh boy, one of those "statistics" believers! lol.!
yes, it's much more beneficial to talk from your sphincter and ignore those who deal with the incarcerated 365 days a year, 24/7.

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