What is going on with Rome City Schoo...

What is going on with Rome City School District?

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guyinrome

Auburn, NY

#1 Mar 21, 2008
First, we have to close 2 schools, then an additional the following year.
NOW we are going to build not one, but a possible 2. We need to really stand up, the taxpayers, students, teachers, and city leaders are being taken for a ride.
I hope the common council looks into becoming more involved with this issue. it is global and we will suffer for years to come
John Brown

Auburn, NY

#2 Mar 21, 2008
Where do we go from here. we express our opinions, and they fall of deaf ears. closing schools, building schools, i think there needs to be more. every week we have a new adventure to take the taxpayers on. CRIMINAL THAT JEFF SIMONS DOES NOT LIVE IN THE CITY OF ROME NEW YORK. We pay him how MUCH? ON that note, his neighbor is the sales guy at NYE where we did not follow procedure on purchasing new trucks that were returned. WOW what a community.
Victor Garth

Auburn, NY

#3 Mar 21, 2008
NO GOOD S.O.B.'s, I say, lets do an approval rating on Simons, I think he would not like the outcome. But, then we had no say in hiring him, or his living situation
Tony Damore

Auburn, NY

#4 Mar 22, 2008
We need the state to intervene, to straighten the school board and administration out. I think the worst is yet to come, the decline in community support is leading to a batte.
guyinrome

Auburn, NY

#5 Mar 23, 2008
call the mayor, we need our city involved to help us, fix our schools, fix our families and fix our taxes!

Since: Jan 08

Rome

#6 Mar 27, 2008
guyinrome wrote:
First, we have to close 2 schools, then an additional the following year.
NOW we are going to build not one, but a possible 2.
Guyinrome, take a deep breath. Yes, we have to close a total of 2 schools because we, as a school district, can not afford to keep unecessary buildings open. The district will close a total of 3 buildings, replacing Ft. Stanwix school (c. 1930) with a new school at the old RFA site on Turin St.

The savings from closing the first 2 schools next year is $1.8 million -- that money is already in the bank. There will be no property tax increase for next year despite rising costs in all areas of the budget. The folks in Rome who do not have children in neighborhood schools including parents at Stokes, Joy, Bellamy, and Denti plus all those without children at all have very little interest in paying an additional $1.8 million in taxes to keep a so-called neighborhood school open.

Most folks know who I am. I am a former member of the school board, I serve various community organizations including the school district facilities planning committee, and I welcome any dialog on what direction our schools need to go.

Since: Jan 08

Rome

#7 Mar 27, 2008
guyinrome wrote:
I hope the common council looks into becoming more involved with this issue. it is global and we will suffer for years to come
Guy, you may want to check the district map before pursuing that sugestion. School district taxpayers and parents who live in Lee, Western, Vernon and Oriskany may take issue with the city council getting involved. I think State Ed. might too. We already have elected officials involved -- our school board.
Dear FRANKCOR

Long Eddy, NY

#8 Mar 27, 2008
We do have a school board, that is involved. unfortunately they are not equipped to do their job. Last year, the board president ran for re-election. you and i both know she lost. But, as a stroke of luck Mr. Gregory had to resign and SHE was placed back on the board, to complete his term.
I think that was in very poor judgement, the community voted her out, and she found her way back on the board. i think new blood, would have been more appropriate. she is a former employee of RCSD and had a very strong relationship with the administration.
i feel she is a plant, caring, but a guarantee vote as what that blithering idiot simons say to.

Since: Jan 08

Rome

#9 Mar 28, 2008
If you are referring to Ms. Riedel, the board is entitled to make that judgement. She and I disagree on the recent redistricting plan -- she opposes it because she disagrees with which schools were selected to be closed.

To me, a building is a building is a building. All the wonderful programs being conducted today at Gansevoort and Ridge Mills can be replicated in any building. It is not the mortar and bricks that deliver the program, it's the dedicated staff.

Incidentally, her position is in direct opposition to what Mr. Simons proposed. So much for your theory about a guaranteed vote.

Do you (Dear FRANKCOR -- can't you pick one name and stick with it?) have a position on the redistricting plan? It may be more helpful to discuss issues and not personalities.
rome native FED UP

New York, NY

#10 Mar 29, 2008
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! This district is FULL of crooks! How's that 3000.00 COUCH in Rizzo's office doing? How are the french doors on his office doing? How is that 800.00 grill. Better yet where is it? I bet you at an INLET summer camp perhaps! BTW this was ALL taken out of the TAXPAYERS AND STATE AID as it apparently is UP AT THE STATE OF THE ART STOKES SCHOOL! Anyone want to go for a barbeque with a luxurious school with french doors opening up to the patio to have a nice comfy couch that some of our children in our neighborhood schools have NEVER HAD?? Let's all show them who is boss and VOTE FOR PAT REIDEL AND THE NEW GUYS ON THE STREET! After all.... they can't be HALF AS BAD OF SOB CROOKS THEN WE PRESENTLY HAVE! VOTE ALL OLD MEMBERS OUT WITH EXCEPTION OF PAT REIDEL and the NEW GUYS ON THE STREETS! PAT has seen BOTH sides of the table now and she knows and hears the people out and knows that this redistricting plan needs to be STOPPED NOW!! VOTE MAY 20 TAXPAYERS and VOTE ON NEW PEOPLE if you WANT NEW CHANAGES! The HELL with the people that support the superintendent and the other crooks. It is so bad that the unions dont even stand by their employees. THEY ARE JUST AS BAD!!!

Since: Mar 08

New York, NY

#11 Mar 29, 2008
guyinrome wrote:
First, we have to close 2 schools, then an additional the following year.
NOW we are going to build not one, but a possible 2. We need to really stand up, the taxpayers, students, teachers, and city leaders are being taken for a ride.
I hope the common council looks into becoming more involved with this issue. it is global and we will suffer for years to come
I AGREE!! BUT apparently they are HELPING! They don't care! READ ON!!!

Since: Jan 08

Rome

#12 Mar 30, 2008
rome native FED UP wrote:
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! This district is FULL of crooks! How's that 3000.00 COUCH in Rizzo's office doing? How are the french doors on his office doing? How is that 800.00 grill. Better yet where is it? I bet you at an INLET summer camp perhaps!
Two employees indicted for a crime does not equate to a district full of crooks. Your hyperbole is a bit of a stretch, doncha think?
BTW this was ALL taken out of the TAXPAYERS AND STATE AID as it apparently is UP AT THE STATE OF THE ART STOKES SCHOOL! Anyone want to go for a barbeque with a luxurious school with french doors opening up to the patio to have a nice comfy couch that some of our children in our neighborhood schools have NEVER HAD??
You're not paying very close attention, are you? If you were, you would know that the referendum (that you are encouraging people to vote down) is going to be used to bring 5 elementary schools up to the "state-of-the-art" standard represented by Stokes school. If the voters follow your advice, we will instead be left with 8 schools, 7 of which are badly in need of maintenance and repair with excess space and overhead costing us approximately $2 million more per year than necessary. It's almost as if you're saying "If our kids can't have our Gansevoort, the other kids can go to hell." That's a bit extreme, doncha think?
Let's all show them who is boss and VOTE FOR PAT REIDEL AND THE NEW GUYS ON THE STREET! After all.... they can't be HALF AS BAD OF SOB CROOKS THEN WE PRESENTLY HAVE!
What school board members are you accusing of being crooks? Have you informed the DA about your allegations? Or are you just confused?
VOTE ALL OLD MEMBERS OUT WITH EXCEPTION OF PAT REIDEL and the NEW GUYS ON THE STREETS! PAT has seen BOTH sides of the table now and she knows and hears the people out and knows that this redistricting plan needs to be STOPPED NOW!! VOTE MAY 20 TAXPAYERS and VOTE ON NEW PEOPLE if you WANT NEW CHANAGES!
Sounds like a plan to create a perfect storm of chaos. Let me get this straight -- you want the referendum to fail and enough new board members (parents from Gansevoort and Ridge Mills?) elected to overturn the redistricting plan too?

What do you propose happen next? Do you think the parents at Stokes, Joy, Bellamy and Denti are going to be pleased with what your accomplishment did to their schools? How about all the other taxpayers who are now going to have to pay for repairs out of next year's operating expenses? How do you propose to fill the $2 to $3 million deficit you create?

If you have a plan, I'd love to discuss it with you. That is, if you can handle some constructive criticism.

Since: Jan 08

Rome

#13 Apr 2, 2008
Rome Native and guyinrome:

I'll take that to mean you don't have a plan. Heaven help the taxpayers, students, parents and staff if you're some of our school board candidates.

If you are, sooner or later, you'll have to answer my questions. You might as well do it here and now.
guyinrome

Rome, NY

#14 Apr 3, 2008
re: jeff simons
we deserve a qualified leader, not this dumb ass, at the money we are paying, we should have top guy, that is rome taxpayer

Since: Mar 08

New York, NY

#15 Apr 3, 2008
TOP GUY FOR SURE! DUMB ASS- lol SO TRUE! Did you hear about how NOW.. they want to but the old base gym? Here we put MILLIONS of dollars into the STATE OF THE ART STADIUM SUPPORT at the old RFA (which just happened to hold stolen merchandise)that according to the athletic director the away teams DO NOT EVEN USE and NOW they want taxpayers to ok the base gym?? THEY MUST BE ON CRACK!! CONFLICT OF INTEREST ANYONE?? Frank Sanzone is the operational manager of GLDC which just so happens to own the base gym and here he his on our BOE at least CURRENTLY! I hope somebody gets their smarts going and STOPS THIS! SO ILLEGAL! So, we have a board member that works at the future "seller" of the base, the superintendent is buying cars,trucks etc. from his neighbor at NYE in ONEIDA where he lives, wonder what this great dumbass thinks about infidelity with tracie that works for the district? Someone should check that out! lol IS HIS WIFE NUTS OR WHAT?? SOMEONE STOP THESE IDIOT DUMBASS BOARD MEMBERS NOW! BTW Mr. Frank Cor... you were on the board HOW MANY YEARS AGO?? Let's see you run now big mouth and you would see your dumbass get OUSTED. We can't afford this idiot from Oneida and I think people know it is NOT the 1980's OR 1990's anymore and things are changing EVERYDAY!!! hmmmmmm.. BTW anyone notice that the wonderful daily sentinel DOES NOT print any of SONS ads anymore or editorials?? PROBABLY BECAUSE THEY ARE RIGHT ON THE MONEY AND THEY DONT NEED COPPER PENNIES TO SHOW IT! ALL FACTS FROM WHAT I SEE!! MUST BE BECAUSE THE WONDERFUL IDIOT DUMBASS IN CHARGE OF THE DISTRICT IS GOOD FRIENDS WITH WAATERS!! lol Not only our city is a disgrace but now our local paper is as well!! PEOPLE STOP BUYING THE SENTINEL! IT'S NOT WORTH IT ANYMORE AS THEY ONLY PUT IN WHAT HTEY WANT AND WHAT THIER BUDDY FRIENDS WANT INIT!!!!!

Since: Jan 08

Rome

#16 Apr 4, 2008
sigh, we're still discussing to personalities.

So I take it your plans are the same (fed up and guyinrome). Perhaps I can list the actions contained in your plan -- correct me if I'm wrong:

1. fire Jeff Simmons

Is that it?

Personally, I find that a little lacking. It doesn't address the following issues:

-- when the referendum gets defeated, how do you plan to pay for roof repairs at Bellamy that are urgently needed as well as pay for renovations required at all the other schools to bring them up to the standard established by the renovations at Stokes?

-- when your new board overturns the decision to close Gansevoort and Ridge Mills, how will you operate 8 elementary schools with a budget that planned for 5. Will you lay off 20 teachers to make up the $1.2 million (or more) shortfall you will cause? Or will you raise property taxes by $24/1000 in the following year? Or just vote to declare the district bankrupt and let the State step in to raise the taxes?

-- What do you plan to do for the remaining 35 months in your terms (assuming the first two actions will take about 1 month to accomplish)?

Since: Jan 08

Rome

#17 Apr 4, 2008
rome native FED UP wrote:
Mr. Frank Cor... you were on the board HOW MANY YEARS AGO?? Let's see you run now big mouth and you would see your dumbass get OUSTED.
I was elected to the board all 3 times I campaigned. I educated myself about governance of public schools in NY, fully understood the commitment required and did not resign; I served the full 9 years. I will not be running for the board this year but if I ever choose to do so in the future, it is quite unlikely I will seek your campaign advice. But thanks for the offer.

I predict it will be impossible for any candidate who is willing to provide the economic and educational leadership Rome requires at this time. Instead, the bond referendum will be defeated and Pat Riedel along with 4 new board members, all of whom oppose the closing of Gansevoort and Ridge Mills, will be elected. Each will receive the support of between 2500 and 3000 voters comprised of people frustrated with:

1. the demolition of old RFA.
2. the closing of Gansevoort and Ridge Mills
3. the seemingly endless chain of gaffs by district employees, the appearance of conflicts of interest and apparent mismanagement by the administration and board.

Meanwhile, the people who are satisfied with the decisions to reduce the number of schools and improve or replace the remaining schools will not show up at the polls on Election Day.

It will be a perfect storm of educational and financial disaster.

After a few years, when the flight from Rome due to failing schools and skyrocketing taxes has reduced the number of students to around 3500, I may consider running for the board again to help develop a realistic consolidation plan. We should be able to fit grades 6-12 in the new RFA and grades K-5 in 3 new elementary schools constructed on the nearly 200-acre site of RFA and Bellamy.

Meanwhile, I'll kibitz from the sidelines. You can count on it.

Since: Mar 08

New York, NY

#18 Apr 5, 2008
So you are saying to fix Bellamy for 13+ MILLION DOLLARS? lol THEN.... demolish it to make another school just because of the land. GET A LIFE! IT WILL NOT HAPPEN. NEED FOR SCHOOL CLOSINGS... YES. The current schools predicted to close... NO. Bellamy needs EXTENSIVE work as you have also noted. Close Bellamy, sell the land to St. Johns since they have wanted it to extend their cemetary. Then close Clough to accomadate the DFAS daycare as they also have wanted to buy that BUT.... the superintendent won't touch that. You could also eliminate the issue of the SINI vy doing this. Then, build the new school at the propsed site. After that, close Fort. Move the board office to Fort if so needed, then you can demolish current BOE. Now we have Ridge open with PLENTY of land, Gansevoort still open since the BOE has admitted that the enrollment there is 1 of 2 that has NOT decreased other than the removal of the 5/6 graders and leaving it as a community school, get rid of Bellamy as it needs too much work and sell Clough to DFAS to make everyone happy. I have looked at the structural reports, visual reports, fire inspections, etc. that I have spent money on to get a clear picture of this district. I am notsaying we need to keep all schools open but there needs to be some common sense when picking the schools to close.

Since: Jan 08

Rome

#19 Apr 6, 2008
You've said something upon which you and I can both agree.
rome native FED UP wrote:
I am notsaying we need to keep all schools open but there needs to be some common sense when picking the schools to close.
It sounds like you also agree with closing Ft. Stanwix school and replacing it with a new elementary school at the old RFA site which is an element of current plan.

That's a pretty good start.

So indeed, it seems like where you differ with the district's proposal is you prefer to close Clough and Bellamy rather than Gansevoort and Ridge Mills.

If I may play devil's advocate, there are some difficulties in your plan:

1. Clough is already out of the picture. The district's plans call for 5 schools eventually - Stokes, Joy, new Ft. Stanwix, Denti and Bellamy. Your plan calls for Gansevoort instead of Bellamy. You need to pick another school to close.

2. The cost to renovate or enlarge Gansevoort will be significantly higher than that of the other schools due to several factors: multi-story building, masonry construction restricts floor plans, the age of the building (80+ yrs old?), to name a few.

3. State aid will be significantly less for renovation of Gansevoort than what would be available for Bellamy. Aid is determined by the state's assessment of capacity and that is largely dependent on the site size. Gansevoort is on a land-locked city lot.

4. Because of Gansevoort's site, we would be left with 4 large schools and 1 small school. One of the objectives of the current plan is to achieve 5 schools with approximately 400+ students in each. It would require greater costs for additions at the remaining 3 or the other 4 schools.(Denti might still not need additions)

5. Ridge Mills has a very small population upon which to draw. It competes with John Joy and Ft. Stanwix for students.

6. There is sufficient land at Bellamy/RFA to sell a few acres to the cemetery and still leave space for expansion.

Factors 2 and 3 combine to greatly increase the local cost of your proposal beyond the current proposal. You are essentially pitting one population of the city against another, still leaving a core of parents and staff who will want to oppose the referendum. With a higher local cost of the referendum, it has less chance than the current one to succeed, and that's already pretty close to zero.

Please clarify -- what is the SINI issue?

I'll attempt to put together a comparative estimate of capacity and renovation costs for Gansevoort in the next few days if there is interest.
guyinrome

Rome, NY

#20 Apr 6, 2008
I guess in the end, i feel that no matter what the taxpayers think, dysfunctional plan will be implemented.
My voice and the voice of others will not be heard. I find it to be appalling that the teachers, are so territorial and they seem to forget that they to answer to the taxpayers.
Is our educational systems in place providing the community with a good sound quality education? I feel not, "no child left behind" has given the Rome City School district one more way to misspend money.
The administration feels they are above the law, and owe no answers to anyone. It is when they are caught, that they acknowledge and say oopps!
It is as bad as the City of Rome, we have had stabbings and now random "attempted muggings". Commissioner of Public Safety James F. Masucci said "I don’t believe" the public should be worried about the seemingly random mugging. "If there was any cause for the public to be alarmed, we would definitely come out and say they should be more vigilant," Masucci said this morning. Every Crime that happens here is random. Gosh, wake up!
I feel that every facet of the city of Rome has blinders on. Our City government is messed up, our education is messed up, our taxes are messed up. we truly live in a jaded community

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