State Sen. Joseph Griffo renews fight...

State Sen. Joseph Griffo renews fight to ensure confinement for those who plead insanity

There are 54 comments on the The Post-Standard story from Feb 28, 2012, titled State Sen. Joseph Griffo renews fight to ensure confinement for those who plead insanity. In it, The Post-Standard reports that:

The stabbing death of 6-year-old Lauren Belius, has brought into focus the laws that govern defendants who are found not responsible by reason of mental disease.

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Brandi

Holland Patent, NY

#1 Feb 28, 2012
He needs to run for Governor
wont bring her back

Watertown, NY

#2 Feb 28, 2012
i just don't see how it can stand up to judicial scrutiny. it basically cancels/removes the insanity defense. if it's not possible to be genuinely insane, commit a crime, get mental help and recover then let's just try all the accused as sane and let the chips fall... we'll see.
...and why do so many single women with kids hook up with psycho losers?
sorry but it's a reasonable question here.
new law

Hadley, MA

#3 Feb 28, 2012
Right on and I hope this law gets passed for Lauren and her family!
Should

Brooklyn, NY

#4 Feb 28, 2012
Shoud pass laws against the government being stupid. Yeah we'll give him 1year and he can be out with no record for killing a kid.

Only in Nazi York. Wonder why people want the current system abolished.
Lock them Up

Saranac Lake, NY

#5 Feb 28, 2012
wont bring her back wrote:
i just don't see how it can stand up to judicial scrutiny. it basically cancels/removes the insanity defense. if it's not possible to be genuinely insane, commit a crime, get mental help and recover then let's just try all the accused as sane and let the chips fall... we'll see.
...and why do so many single women with kids hook up with psycho losers?
sorry but it's a reasonable question here.
Could give a crap about how the dis-functional judicial works. Should lock them up for no less than life term. They should also lock the judges uo that lets these people off and commit another serious crime.
omg

United States

#7 Feb 29, 2012
consequences wrote:
<quoted text>...and for the next psycho, loser, abuser that her mommy spreads her legs for.
you should be ashamed for making a comment like that and for passing judgement for some one else's wrong doings. No one could predict what happened to her daughter. Shame, shame on you, period!
Brandi

Holland Patent, NY

#8 Feb 29, 2012
If he was tuly mentally ill he can be medicated to a level of somewhat normal capacity. But just let him miss his meds for a day and here we go again. There are many poor souls who suffer from mental illness who don't kill people. But the ones who do are a danger forever. Especially this creep. Lock him up forever!
omg

United States

#10 Feb 29, 2012
consequences wrote:
<quoted text>sorry if it offends you but at some point the mommy has to own up to the fact that she allowed this lunatic into her's and her kid's lives. it's been reported again & again that he was notoriously a fruitcake with violent tendencies and a very unstable mental history. there are CONSEQUENCES for bad decisions. she has to live with that. so be it. i feel immense sorrow at the loss of a little girls life but NO SHAME in spreading blame among ALL those responsible.
and if u knew all this info why didn't u step up and report it to CPS to protect the child from this inside info that u were aware of ? Shame on u again!
omg

United States

#11 Feb 29, 2012
consequences wrote:
<quoted text>sorry if it offends you but at some point the mommy has to own up to the fact that she allowed this lunatic into her's and her kid's lives. it's been reported again & again that he was notoriously a fruitcake with violent tendencies and a very unstable mental history. there are CONSEQUENCES for bad decisions. she has to live with that. so be it. i feel immense sorrow at the loss of a little girls life but NO SHAME in spreading blame among ALL those responsible.
as far as offending me, u go beyond that and I'm sure a lot of ppl will agree. Your statements r very crude and mean spirited to b put on a forum for all to see. Sorry but I'm ashamed for u!
Lock them Up

Saranac Lake, NY

#13 Feb 29, 2012
Lock them Up wrote:
<quoted text>
Could give a crap about how the dis-functional judicial works. Should lock them up for no less than life term. They should also lock the judges uo that lets these people off and commit another serious crime.
Sorry folks I left out something on my post. Another one that should be locked up with these people is the lawyers. The is nothing more offensive to me than to have a lawyer tell the client "well we will do the insanity defense" before the facts are even known. That pisses me off more than anything. Just like I was drinking or using drugs, so they made me do it. Thats crap. Stick a cattle prod up their butt, and give them a real excuse to be insane about.
omg

United States

#14 Feb 29, 2012
consequences wrote:
<quoted text>shame on your clueless ass! if i made it my business to report every whacko that hooks up with every baby mama i'd not have a life of my own. no beeotch, people must accept the consequences of their own actions. the complete info on this scumbag came to light "after the fact". the dead baby's mama will forever pay for the decision SHE made to open her legs. she knew he was a nut when she whored up. there oughta be a law against clueless bitches who care more about their pussy's happiness than their children's. deal with it.
wow struck a nerve, well what is ur excuse for not reporting what u seen prior to the murder or is it u knew nothing like everyone else til the investigation started. Deal with it nasty mouth BEEOTCH you are indeed. Muah!!
omg

United States

#17 Feb 29, 2012
consequences wrote:
<quoted text>I got your nerve right here. MY excuse?? LOL WTF is your malfunction? The facts on the psycho came out "after the fact" TO THE PUBLIC. The baby mama knew he was a fruit but decided to suck his dick anyway. Get it fcuktard? SHE KNEW! SHE will forever suffer the consequences of HER decisions. To aknowledge that is distasteful but to deny it is imbicilic....and you want to place the blame for the baby's murder on a topix poster? Please never answer a jury summons!
ur telling the story, little do u know. Buhbye!!
Lock them Up

Saranac Lake, NY

#18 Feb 29, 2012
consequences wrote:
<quoted text>Idiot! Yeah lets lock up the lawyers. Don't like the system? Good luck changing it. You see lawyers are bound to present a strong defense. They CAN be prosecuted and/or disbarred for doing anything less. Remember that next time somebody accuses YOU or someone you know of a criminal act. The system's not perfect. Knowing that morons like I see here could be on a jury is proof positive of that!
"idiot" you call someone with a different opinion and idiot.
The only idiot here is you. Lawyers are suppose to provide a defendent a strong defense, but apparently you did not read my post too well. Before all the information is in the lawyer is telling the client to use the insane defense. You hit it right on the head if you read YOUR own post when you said "morons like I" which is right you are a moron....
omg

United States

#21 Feb 29, 2012
consequences wrote:
<quoted text>The time frame or manner in which a lawyer elects to mount an agressive defense is NOT something YOU get to dictate. Who the fcuk are you to determine exactly when "the facts are in"? Give your lunacy a rest. It digs you a bigger hole with every moronic reply! Griifo's just grandstanding again, hitching his wagon to knee jerk public opinion. Passage of this type of law failed before. It doesn't hold up to judicial scrutiny. It will fail again IMHO and it should. The court and judicial system we abide by protects us from azzhols like you who would circumvent solely out of knee jerk reaction. Damned constitution ay?
wow, what Meds r u on? Lmao. Buhbye!!
omg

United States

#24 Feb 29, 2012
consequences wrote:
<quoted text>you still here? great retort. k off you go... the grownups are having a conversation.
looks like ur having the convo by ur self...lol...carry on...muah and buh bye!!
Lock them Up

Saranac Lake, NY

#25 Feb 29, 2012
consequences wrote:
<quoted text>
The time frame or manner in which a lawyer elects to mount an agressive defense is NOT something YOU get to dictate. Who the fcuk are you to determine exactly when "the facts are in"? Give your lunacy a rest. It digs you a bigger hole with every moronic reply! Griifo's just grandstanding again, hitching his wagon to knee jerk public opinion. Passage of this type of law failed before. It doesn't hold up to judicial scrutiny. It will fail again IMHO and it should. The court and judicial system we abide by protects us from azzhols like you who would circumvent solely out of knee jerk reaction. Damned constitution ay?
I have had many years working within in the legal system, and am totally appalled when dip shits get off with 5 years in a rest home for killing whole families. Your responses only confirm my feeling that the argument for insanity defense should be done away with, so something like you could not get away with. I believe your understanding of the legal system is coming from watching too much TV. When they wrote the constitiution they in my opinion had no way of forseeing the radical changes that were coming. Maybe thats why we have the option to add admendments to it based on today's conditions. One of the admendments should be to lock them all up you including nuts like you. You are the reason why idiots that kill babies or families saying their insane get off. Griffo is not doing a knee jerk reaction. He is responding to the communities demand for tougher laws that keep the idiots in jail for a long time.
omg

United States

#27 Feb 29, 2012
old hippdaddy wrote:
<quoted text>omg wrote, "<quoted text>
looks like ur having the convo by ur self...lol...carry on...muah and buh bye!!"

again duh.... no I'm responding to those who directed commentary to me individually. you on the other hand keep popping up like a floating turd only to say good-bye for the 3rd time.
oops got to keep responding back cuz u have to be in control. Nope, don't agree at all with your views and your very rude and abusive words u use at the mother of this horrific crime. I only pray u r forgiven for your hostility towards victims of crimes. Again, shame on u Mr. Nasty Pants. And again, buh bye. Unless u have to address me again and I shall reply nimrod! By ur tone, u r a male... hehehe!
omg

United States

#28 Feb 29, 2012
Lock them Up wrote:
<quoted text>I have had many years working within in the legal system, and am totally appalled when dip shits get off with 5 years in a rest home for killing whole families. Your responses only confirm my feeling that the argument for insanity defense should be done away with, so something like you could not get away with. I believe your understanding of the legal system is coming from watching too much TV. When they wrote the constitiution they in my opinion had no way of forseeing the radical changes that were coming. Maybe thats why we have the option to add admendments to it based on today's conditions. One of the admendments should be to lock them all up you including nuts like you. You are the reason why idiots that kill babies or families saying their insane get off. Griffo is not doing a knee jerk reaction. He is responding to the communities demand for tougher laws that keep the idiots in jail for a long time.
great response. ty
Resident

Saranac Lake, NY

#29 Feb 29, 2012
consequences wrote:
<quoted text>
duh... no I said "morons like I see here" but I don't expect you to comprehend that. Nice try though. sigh... Now I owe morons everywhere an apology for equating them to your level of understanding.
I would go back and read your own post, and again your own response. You called yourself a moron. It was very clear to me and anyone else who read it that we all understood what you said. You called yourself a moron. What else it there to understand. We got it right, but apparently you did not get it.
lol

Altmar, NY

#30 Feb 29, 2012
consequences wrote:
<quoted text>shame on your clueless ass! if i made it my business to report every whacko that hooks up with every baby mama i'd not have a life of my own. no beeotch, people must accept the consequences of their own actions. the complete info on this scumbag came to light "after the fact". the dead baby's mama will forever pay for the decision SHE made to open her legs. she knew he was a nut when she whored up. there oughta be a law against clueless bitches who care more about their pussy's happiness than their children's. deal with it.
you sound like you maybe her ex by the sounds of the filth that spews from your keyboard. Like you are jealous of her not being with you? I think I hit the nail on the head, aye?

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