Wanda

Rome, NY

#21 Aug 18, 2013
I was talking about salaried employees but I should have realized that most of you druggies only work non salary jobs so my bad on that.
the stink eye

Syracuse, NY

#22 Aug 18, 2013
Lol is that all you got. I say an employer has no right to dictate what an employee does with his or ber life outside of the workplace, and THIS is your response? Your wasting my time, your dismissed.
the stink eye

Syracuse, NY

#23 Aug 18, 2013
*her
poke smotter

Chittenango, NY

#24 Aug 18, 2013
Mandungo wrote:
its ok to be of the lesser kind. I've got no issue with your drug use, you'd think it would've made you calmer but that's obviously not true. drugs were given to the masses in old days in 3rd world countries in order to suppress peasant riots. its ok to think its your choice, addiction is nothing to be ashamed of. we all need menial labor.
"the lesser kind"? i couldn't care less what your "issues" are but you sure as hell have some very deep rooted problems. here are just a few "lesser kind" former or present cannabis users.
1. PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA
"When I was a kid, I inhaled frequently. That was the point."
(Source: YouTube)
2. ASSOCIATE SUPREME COURT JUSTICE CLARENCE THOMAS
"The White House said today that Judge Clarence Thomas, President Bush's Supreme Court nominee, had smoked marijuana while in college."
(Source: New York Times)
3. PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON
"I experimented with marijuana a time or two."
(Source: YouTube)
4. PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH
"I wouldn't answer the marijuana questions. You know why? Because I don't want some little kid doing what I tried."
(Source: New York Times)
5. MICHAEL PHELPS
“[Phelps] firmly denies that he takes drugs, suggesting that the notorious photo of him smoking from a bong was a one-time lapse of judgment.”
(Source: Huffington Post)
6. FORMER SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE, NEWT GINGRICH (R-GA)
"That was a sign we were alive and in graduate school in that era."
(Source: New York Magazine, May 1995 (p.42))
7. JON STEWART
“Do you know how many movies I wrote when I was high?”
(Source: The Daily Show)
8. GEORGE SOROS
"He said he had tried marijuana, enjoyed it,'but it did not become a habit and I have not tasted it in many years.'"
(Source: Reuters, 2/6/97)
9. BILL GATES
“As for drugs – well, Gates was certainly not unusual there. Marijuana was the pharmaceutical of choice…”
(Source: Gates: How Microsoft's Mogul Reinvented an Industry--and Made Himself the Richest Man in America)
10. GEORGE CLOONEY
“The owner of a local cannabis café told reporters George Clooney was no stranger there.”
(Source: The Weed Blog)
11. LIBERTARIAN PARTY PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE GARY JOHNSON
“In that state somebody came by and said,'Gary? Would marijuana help do you think?' And my response was immediately,'Yes, I don't know why I didn't think of it, but I think that would help immensely.' And it did."
(Source: Huffington Post)
12. LEBRON JAMES
“James also revealed he and his teammates smoked marijuana one night after getting access to a hotel room in Akron.”
(Source: ESPN)
13. MAYOR MICHAEL BLOOMBERG
''You bet I did. And I enjoyed it.''
(Source: New York Times)
14. SARAH PALIN
"I can't claim a Bill Clinton and say that I never inhaled.”
(Source: CBS News)
15. WOODY HARRELSON
“I do smoke… it’s about personal freedom… Seventy-two million people in this country have smoked pot…. These people should not be criminals.”
(Source: New York Daily News)
of course they could never work for YOU...
Wanda

Rome, NY

#25 Aug 18, 2013
Employers don't want drunks either. Or people who prostitute on the side. Bottom line is, employers drug test because often times druggies habits affect their job performance. And a private company can hire whomever they want to. So you can complain all you want, it's not your call.
IBrake4Donuts

Rome, NY

#26 Aug 18, 2013
need to relax Wanda, you ever notice the chronic smokers are always on the defensive? they just can't seem to understand. I don't give a flying eF what you do. Simply said, if you want a job bad enough you shape up and grow up, or you stick to your menial job (palin and Bush certainly aren't helping your case). There are over a million pedophiles worldwide, maybe that's ok too? Really doesnt matter, i think intelligence tests should be given as well as drug tests. So we can "weed" (pun intended) out more of the less desirables.
too bad idiots

New York, NY

#27 Aug 18, 2013
It's too bad idiots never heard of individual freedom, you know like the Constitution that's law of this land. Oh, how about we add Carl Sagan, and many others to the list of pot smokers. Expand your consciousness you just might be a little bit or even a lot more smarter. Oh wait, can't tell that to a closed simple little mind, you must be stupid
Clean up

New York, NY

#28 Aug 18, 2013
casi no wrote:
OCJ (not the jail) has the stuff you need.
we test for that too! The shampoo will give you a positive hair test!
Clean up

New York, NY

#29 Aug 18, 2013
mandingo wrote:
That doesn't help him right now does it. Anyway drug testing is a violation of our rights. If an employee comes to on time does their job, doesn't get write ups then when what they do in their free time is none of an employers business. Employers don't own people or tbeir lives if a person decides to smoke a joint or sniff a line on a sat night while off of work, that's between them and the police, now them and "the office".Drug testing is bullshiit and is no measure of an employees work ability or ethics. We have one life to live and no one gets out alive, so do what makes you happy in your spare time.
then become a drug dealer! Then what you do will end you up in jail. Let me guess you also get some kind of assistance from the county too. Get a life outside of drugs
IBrake4Donuts

Rome, NY

#30 Aug 18, 2013
if you read above, I stated that I partook as a youngun, stated I grew up. Like all drugs it doesn't raise your IQ it only alters your perception. I'm sure you believe your the most intelligent being on the planet as your giggling to your friends and discussing how funny the word tu-tu is, but to everyone else your just a toked up moron. Carl Sagan, Bill Gates and other users were intelligent before drug use, but also riddled with anxiety and massive nervous conditions. The drugs acted like Ritalin. Please get your facts from real world references and not High Times magazine (an incredibly biased resource). Your close minded view (yes your close minded in that you can only see your side and you think you're right) is an obvious issue. It's like arguing with a stone (pun intended again). It'd be easier to argue Quantum Mechanics with a primate. I'm sure your children (if the world is unlucky enough to be graced with your offspring) will also be avid drug users. Good for you for sticking to your guns, and raising them right. It's the exact same thing the Ku Klux Klan and Neo Nazis do.
IBrake4Donuts

Rome, NY

#31 Aug 18, 2013
sorry for the autocorrect. before the stoner jumps on my low 156 IQ. I meant you're and not your in 4 spots above. My apologies.
mandingo

Syracuse, NY

#32 Aug 18, 2013
I don't want to sell drugs! I work! I love my job and make good money, so no, I don't get assistance. I occasionally (2 to 3 times a year) have friends over and we have a good time. Now, I am far from a "druggie" and don't deserve to be fired from my job as I never go to work high and am an excellent employee, I have never been written up and have been promoted 3 times in the last 10 years. Hair strand tests are bullshiit and should be for courts only.
poke smotter

Chittenango, NY

#33 Aug 18, 2013
It's only a matter of time until the USA ends the failed war on drugs as is happening increasingly state by state. These foolish, pre employment tests will go away as we evolve and the old ways die. Drug prohibition is the true cause of much of the social and personal damage that has historically been attributed to drug use. It is prohibition that makes these drugs so valuable – while giving criminals a monopoly over their supply. Driven by the huge profits from this monopoly, criminal gangs bribe and kill each other, law enforcers, and children. Their trade is unregulated and they are, therefore, beyond our control.

History has shown that drug prohibition reduces neither use nor abuse. After a rapist is arrested, there are fewer rapes. After a drug dealer is arrested, however, neither the supply nor the demand for drugs is seriously changed. The arrest merely creates a job opening for an endless stream of drug entrepreneurs who will take huge risks for the sake of the enormous profits created by prohibition. Prohibition costs taxpayers tens of billions of dollars every year, yet 40 years and some 40 million arrests later, drugs are cheaper, more potent and far more widely used than at the beginning of this futile crusade.

By eliminating prohibition of all drugs for adults and establishing appropriate regulation and standards for distribution and use, law enforcement could focus more on crimes of violence, such as rape, aggravated assault, child abuse and murder, making our communities much safer. Sending parents to prison for non-violent personal drug use destroys families. In a regulated and controlled environment, drugs will be safer for adult use and less accessible to our children. By placing drug abuse in the hands of medical professionals instead of the criminal justice system, we will reduce rates of addiction and overdose deaths.
bill gates

New York, NY

#34 Aug 18, 2013
Bll Gates: LSD User

Salon writes:

Bill Gates totally did experiment with LSD, though an excerpt from a 1994 interview with Playboy reveals he was much less open about it than Jobs:

PLAYBOY: Ever take LSD?
GATES: My errant youth ended a long time ago.
PLAYBOY: What does that mean?
GATES: That means there were things I did under the age of 25 that I ended up not doing subsequently.
PLAYBOY: One LSD story involved you staring at a table and thinking the corner was going to plunge into your eye.
GATES:[Smiles]
PLAYBOY: Ah, a glimmer of recognition.
GATES: That was on the other side of that boundary. The young mind can deal with certain kinds of gooping around that I don’t think at this age I could. I don’t think you’re as capable of handling lack of sleep or whatever challenges you throw at your body as you get older. However, I never missed a day of work.

http://www.salon.com/2013/08/16/10_famous_gen...

Lists even more there. Almost seems as if the smartest people through out history did drugs...
IBrake4Donuts

Rome, NY

#35 Aug 18, 2013
wow, hard to argue with such solid factual evidence. I submit to your pure intellect. may god have mercy on your children's souls. Pointless to argue anyway. The law is the law. you can argue all day long but at the end of the day YOU still have to suck it up and take a hair test, and WORRY about passing (and possibly not feeding your kids), not ME. Moving on to a post with a bit more longevity.

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#36 Aug 18, 2013
relapse wrote:
Is it possible to pass a hair strand test if you used drugs in the past 30 days?
Very doubtful. Why not quit the self-destructive behavior which is holding you back?
mandingo

Syracuse, NY

#37 Aug 18, 2013
Maybe because it's not that destructive. If he had to take a saliva or piss test, he'd probably pass. An employer does not need to know THREE months of an employees life. Besides, most people eat more sugar in a day and do more damage to their bodies than a joint every now and then. I bet when obama care comes around, and the government starts telling you how to eat, you'll be on this forum with the same kind of complaint. STOP TAKING AWAY OUR RIGHTS!
poke smotter

Chittenango, NY

#38 Aug 18, 2013
IBrake4Donuts wrote:
wow, hard to argue with such solid factual evidence.
Careful now. You actually made a valid statement there. Oh never mind. You "moved on". LOL

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#39 Aug 19, 2013
mandingo wrote:
Maybe because it's not that destructive. If he had to take a saliva or piss test, he'd probably pass. An employer does not need to know THREE months of an employees life. Besides, most people eat more sugar in a day and do more damage to their bodies than a joint every now and then. I bet when obama care comes around, and the government starts telling you how to eat, you'll be on this forum with the same kind of complaint. STOP TAKING AWAY OUR RIGHTS!
Employers have the right to expect their employees to not be on drugs, or drunk. Sucks to be you if you have to sweat a drug test.
Wanda

Lowville, NY

#40 Aug 19, 2013
mandingo wrote:
Maybe because it's not that destructive. If he had to take a saliva or piss test, he'd probably pass. An employer does not need to know THREE months of an employees life. Besides, most people eat more sugar in a day and do more damage to their bodies than a joint every now and then. I bet when obama care comes around, and the government starts telling you how to eat, you'll be on this forum with the same kind of complaint. STOP TAKING AWAY OUR RIGHTS!
The employer owns the company. He sets the rules for HIS company. If you don't like it, I recommend you start your own company and have no drug testing for your employees. Good luck.

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