Snow Removal: City vs Private Property

Snow Removal: City vs Private Property

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Snow Removal

Hamilton, NY

#1 Jan 16, 2011
It does not matter the demographics of the neighborhood, city residents sit helpless until government plows clear their street. To hear these folks tell it, it is the duty of the mayor to have the streets cleared as soon as possible. Shovels that are able to remove snow and ice from private driveways and sidewalks never venture onto a city street. So for days, residents cry out to the city government for help: a cry that is heard every year after every snowfall.

Keep in mind that the private parking lots of local stores and malls are being cleared even as the snow falls.

Well, of course! not only a parking lot is a service provided for paying or potential customers, should an accident happen there, the store/mall is legally responsible. So they are very motivated to keeping the parking lot snow-free.

Now, if you’re driving on a snow-covered street and you suffer an accident – well, you should have listened to the government and stayed at home!
Remember, where does all the snow end back up again after plowed or removed, back on private property for that owner to move, again
wow

Brooklyn, NY

#2 Jan 16, 2011
what the heck are you talking about
RUSerious

Brooklyn, NY

#3 Jan 16, 2011
Private companies have empty parking lots and city/county/state has hundreds to thousands of miles to plow with traffic, traffic lights, accidents and other obstacles in their way. Trust me, I hate the local government plow drivers, but you are dealing with a totally different environment and miles of it.
archy

Brooklyn, NY

#4 Jan 16, 2011
Mohawk gardens doesn't believe in snow removal.
Yeah

Brooklyn, NY

#5 Jan 17, 2011
A lot of privately and government owned buildings do not keep their sidewalks plowed. Just go by mvcc or the nursing home.
TooBadItsIllegal ToPlowRD

Chicago, IL

#6 Jan 17, 2011
Too bad its illegal to plow the road on your own, i would of been helping my community out, but if i do, i will get a fine.

Once again the state fines you for helping people, thats their job and they dont want no competition

Oh thats called racketeering!!!!!!!!!!

Your lucky to see a plow after it stopped snowing.

Privatizing roads is what should be done, a guy just bought a alley way in rome for a couple of G's
His alleyway is always nice and clean and free of problems. Just like you see freedom malls parking lot, movie theatre's parking lot, all these privatly owned properties are kept clean just about all the time, but soon as you leave private property, snow all over the roads.
TooBadItsIllegal ToPlowRD

Chicago, IL

#7 Jan 17, 2011
wow wrote:
what the heck are you talking about
keep to your government schools, its called truth, and alternatives, stuff the government doesnt want you to know, so keep to your government school, or you can do your own homework and go learn on your own. I think this topic is pretty self-explainable without having to know economics or laws.

So i wouldnt expect som1 like you to understand the above post of how the government is just a mob, they racketeer and hate competition.
Fix Thefernback

Epping, NH

#8 Jan 17, 2011
TooBadItsIllegalToPlowRD wrote:
Too bad its illegal to plow the road on your own, i would of been helping my community out, but if i do, i will get a fine.
Once again the state fines you for helping people, thats their job and they dont want no competition
Oh thats called racketeering!!!!!!!!!!
Your lucky to see a plow after it stopped snowing.
Privatizing roads is what should be done, a guy just bought a alley way in rome for a couple of G's
His alleyway is always nice and clean and free of problems. Just like you see freedom malls parking lot, movie theatre's parking lot, all these privatly owned properties are kept clean just about all the time, but soon as you leave private property, snow all over the roads.
Privatize the roads? How the hell will that help anything?

Big deal one person keeps an alleyway clean. Does he let people drive on this alley?

Let's just put all the roads up for auction! It'll be awesome when the Chinese or Arabs buy them all then they can extort even more cash from us. I bet you want water privatized too, right?

And I'm sure you're the same dope that thinks topix is censoring you personally, then goes on about the 1st amendment, when it's obvious you don't even understand it.

Do your self a favor and take civics class, you retard.
josh

Utica, NY

#9 Jan 19, 2011
Tonite in the local newspaper an article says codes can fine you as a homeowner with in 24 hours if you don`t remove snow.I remember waking to RFA in the road because the city didn`t clear the sidewalks.That was unbeliveably unsafe.There are a milliion other place they are responsible for, and aren`t doing or are taking their time,now they are gonna knock on some 80 year old ladie`s door and fine her.
Roman

Brooklyn, NY

#10 Jan 19, 2011
This is were our local judge can step in { community service] include waiver ;city not resposible incase of any injuries or sore back ,help our elderly. Also there is plenty of fire hydrants that need to be cleared. This theory will save the city some money.
Lifelong Roman

AOL

#11 Jan 19, 2011
Granted, the mayor has overall responsibility for the operations of the various city departments. In this case, the head of the Department of Public Works is directly accountable for the performance of his department.

I can’t imagine anyone wanting to assume ownership of a city street. Liability with the sidewalks is bad enough. The only people who would benefit would be the “1-800-Call Me When You Have An Accident So We Can Sue For All They Got” guys.

You cannot make the agrument comparing snow removal by private companies on private lots to snow removal by city plows on city streets. Private companies do one helluva job and as a business, that is exactly what they are getting paid to do.
Like trash removal, we could privatize snow removal but the City of Rome could never afford to pay a private company to plow city streets as well as a private company plows a private lot. We would get what we paid for and you know how that goes.

Members of the Common Council (folks elected by us to represent us) represent every ward in this city. Contact your counsil member to address your snow removal issue. Let them know what the problem is and you want them to ask the head of the DPW “Why?”
For those who think that I should use my time better trying to get my head out of my ass: I don’t know my councilman personally (I think I met him once) but I’ve called him on a number of issues. The first time I called him I wasn’t expecting much of anything except a patronizing response but I was wrong. I got to voice my complaint, he listened and demonstrated the same concern by getting back to me. Honestly, not everything was addressed to my satisfaction but most problems voiced have, making it well worth the effort to call.

Real Tony D

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#12 Jan 19, 2011
To my knowledge I don't think its actually legal or enforceable to arrest or fine someone for not shoveling a sidewalk or area they do not own. Id really like to see someone take the city to court on the matter, if for no other reason than that it would be funny lol.
Lifelong Roman

AOL

#13 Jan 19, 2011
Real Tony D wrote:
To my knowledge I don't think its actually legal or enforceable to arrest or fine someone for not shoveling a sidewalk or area they do not own. Id really like to see someone take the city to court on the matter, if for no other reason than that it would be funny lol.
Tony, I believe sidewalk ownership and responsibility for maintenance is outlined in the city code and is similar if not the same as what Utica mandates for their homeowners.
You'll see per Utica, it is enforceable and legal to take the homeowner to court.

"Mayor David Roefaro said the city is trying to keep its own sidewalks clean and monitor residents’ sidewalks, but the ability to do that is limited by the availability of workers. The mayor said he wants to limit manpower hours directed at cleaning the sidewalks.“We’re asking the people to please keep (their own) sidewalks clean,” Roefaro said.“People are responsible for the sidewalks in front of their houses.”
Officials have been monitoring the situation, and many of the sidewalks that aren’t shoveled are in places where people walk in the street instead of on the sidewalks, even during the summer, Roefaro said.
The city has received some complaints this year and a few codes citations have been issued, said Angelo Roefaro, the mayor’s assistant. The city doesn’t go out looking for snow-covered sidewalks, but it does respond to complaints, he said.
Codes tickets, which must then go through the court process, aren’t issued without ample warning, Angelo Roefaro said. In some cases this year, he has received complaints, called the business by the sidewalks, and the business owner has complied by clearing the sidewalks, he said.
Last year, the city issued more than 200 citations for lack of snow removal.
Lifelong Roman

AOL

#14 Jan 19, 2011
PS; If you think the snow removal of your sidewalk can be an issue, you ought to look at the requirements a homeowner has to meet for a sidewalk that needs repair or replacement.

http://www.romenewyork.com/document/3663.pdf

Real Tony D

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#15 Jan 19, 2011
Lifelong Roman wrote:
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Tony, I believe sidewalk ownership and responsibility for maintenance is outlined in the city code and is similar if not the same as what Utica mandates for their homeowners.
You'll see per Utica, it is enforceable and legal to take the homeowner to court.
"Mayor David Roefaro said the city is trying to keep its own sidewalks clean and monitor residents’ sidewalks, but the ability to do that is limited by the availability of workers. The mayor said he wants to limit manpower hours directed at cleaning the sidewalks.“We’re asking the people to please keep (their own) sidewalks clean,” Roefaro said.“People are responsible for the sidewalks in front of their houses.”
Officials have been monitoring the situation, and many of the sidewalks that aren’t shoveled are in places where people walk in the street instead of on the sidewalks, even during the summer, Roefaro said.
The city has received some complaints this year and a few codes citations have been issued, said Angelo Roefaro, the mayor’s assistant. The city doesn’t go out looking for snow-covered sidewalks, but it does respond to complaints, he said.
Codes tickets, which must then go through the court process, aren’t issued without ample warning, Angelo Roefaro said. In some cases this year, he has received complaints, called the business by the sidewalks, and the business owner has complied by clearing the sidewalks, he said.
Last year, the city issued more than 200 citations for lack of snow removal.
Don't get me wrong, there's no reason that people can't do it, I just wouldn't think that you can order someone to maintain something that isn't theirs. Maybe its just the fact I don't like being told what to do by people lol, who knows.
Lifelong Roman

AOL

#16 Jan 19, 2011
Real Tony D wrote:
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Don't get me wrong, there's no reason that people can't do it, I just wouldn't think that you can order someone to maintain something that isn't theirs. Maybe its just the fact I don't like being told what to do by people lol, who knows.
I hear ya.
It's only a problem when it doesn't make sense right?

I worry about the low/fixed income seniors.
There are a number of city programs to assist seniors with emergency home repairs or for installing ramps and rails but I'm not aware of any city program to assist low/fixed income seniors with snow removal. I do know that for the ramp program, the city states that it is not responsible for snow removal (on the ramp).

Anyone out there know if such a program is available?
Fix Thefernback

Epping, NH

#17 Jan 20, 2011
Privatize the sidewalks! There's this one guy that privatized his sidewalks and now snow doesn't even fall on it anymore! These mods are fascist so they'll probably delete this thread! I'm going to SUE!

FASCIST! FASCIST! What are you mods scared of????? My first amendment rights have been violated by topix and the city of Rome!

Privatize it all! That'll fix 'em! Snow doesn't fall on PRIVATIZED SIDEWALKS! MODS DON'T DELETE THIS OR IT'S FASCISM!
Hmm

West Leyden, NY

#18 Jan 20, 2011
A snotty cop can tell you to get off the front of your own sidewalk because its city sidewalk,but you can get fined if you don't keep that "city" sidewalk shoveled? Love this city!

Since: Oct 10

Brooklyn, NY

#19 Jan 20, 2011
Real Tony D wrote:
To my knowledge I don't think its actually legal or enforceable to arrest or fine someone for not shoveling a sidewalk or area they do not own. Id really like to see someone take the city to court on the matter, if for no other reason than that it would be funny lol.
The postal carriers can refuse to deliver mail to any
house where they have to use snowshoes to enter
a property or if someone has an unrestrained dog
or even broken steps.
Carriers do not have to not have to feel in danger
of injury.
Loser

Boston, MA

#20 Jan 20, 2011
Hmm wrote:
A snotty cop can tell you to get off the front of your own sidewalk because its city sidewalk,but you can get fined if you don't keep that "city" sidewalk shoveled? Love this city!
Well depends what your doing.Bet in your case fighting with siblings.Sure it wasn't picking weeds out of your lawn.

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