TheRevealer

Stone Mountain, GA

#22 Feb 21, 2013
Who will you marry? You actually have no choice in the matter. God has pre-planned your wedding in minute detail. Rick Warren says, "God knew that those two individuals [your parents] possessed exactly the right genetic makeup to create the custom 'you' that he had in mind. They had the DNA God wanted to make you." Therefore, your spouse was pre-chosen by God for you so that you would create the children who are a part of his plan. You also have no choice in the number of children you will have -- God has pre-planned their births.

In addition, this sort of universe means that Hitler is blameless. Hitler was not "evil," because Hitler had no free will at all. Hitler was simply an actor forced to play his role in God's plan. God planned for millions of people to die in the Holocaust -- he planned their deaths in exact detail according to Rick Warren. Hitler had to kill those people. Hitler was God's puppet in making that those millions of deaths happen right on schedule.

In the same way then, every murderer is blameless. Since God has planned each of our deaths in exact detail, murderers are actually essential to God's plan. Why do we punish them? We should be rewarding them for doing their God-planned duty. What if you get raped tomorrow and get pregnant? God did that because he planned the exact time of that child's birth and death. God actually pre-planned your rape, and the rapist was God's puppet. Rather than hating the rapist, we should celebrate God's plan.

Do you believe that murderers and rapists should be rewarded? Do you believe that Hitler was sent by God to kill millions of people in the Holocaust? Do you believe that God is the direct cause of every abortion on this planet? Do you believe that you have no choice in your spouse or the number of children you have? Probably not. But that is what you are saying when you state that Hitler or cancer or anything else is part of "God's plan."

If you think about it as an intelligent person, you will realize that the statement "It is part of God's plan" is one of those meaningless palliatives. When you sit down and think it through using your common sense, the statement makes no sense. That lack of sense shows us how imaginary God is.
TheRevealer

Stone Mountain, GA

#23 Feb 22, 2013
Let's imagine that you have cancer and that you are a believer. You pray to God for a cure, you undergo surgery and chemotherapy, and the cancer does in fact go into remission.

What cured you? Was it the chemotherapy, or was it God?

In other words, is there any way to know whether God is playing a role or not when we pray?

The problem is that, in this imagined case, there is ambiguity. The Christian believes that God answered the prayer, but it could also be a simple coincidence.

All scientific evidence clearly indicates that it is, in fact, a coincidence. Whenever we do a scientific experiment on the efficacy of prayer, the data shows no effect from prayer (see this proof). Scientific evidence indicates that "answered prayers" really are coincidences every single time.

So how do we figure this out? Is God answering prayers as Christians believe, or is it coincidence as science indicates?

The way to answer that question is to remove the ambiguity. We make it impossible for the "answered prayer" to be a coincidence, and then we see what happens.

The way to remove the ambiguity is to say a prayer that cannot be answered by coincidence. For example, instead of praying that God cures one person's cancer, pray that God eliminates all cancer tomorrow. There is only one way for that to happen. God would have to exist, and God would have to reach down from heaven and explicitly work a miracle on earth.

What we find whenever we perform an unambiguous experiment like this is that God never answers unambiguous prayers. Jesus promises in many places in the Bible that he will answer prayers -- even impossible prayers. But what you find whenever you put Jesus to the test is that Jesus is making a false promise.

What we find is that God never answers impossible prayers - even if the prayers are incredibly worthy. For example:

Pray to God to levitate a car and hold it floating in the air for ten minutes. It will not happen, even if you are praying to levitate the car because a drunk driver has run over a college freshman and she is currently pinned under one of the wheels.

Pray to God to let you fly through the air like Superman. It will not happen, even if you are praying to fly like superman so that you can rise up to a tenth story window and save two children from their burning apartment.

Pray to God to fill your basement with $100 million in small unmarked bills. It will not happen, even if you plan to donate the $100 million that God gives you to a worthy and deserving charity.

Pray to God to restore the amputated limbs of a deserving, penitent believer. It will not happen, no matter how sincere you are in your prayer.
None of these prayers will ever be answered. We know that with certainty. If they were answered, we would see people flying thought the air like Superman on the evening news. We would see amputated limbs regenerating all the time. Every Christian charity would be fully funded and there would not be 10 million children starving to death every year.

These unambiguous prayers are how we know, for sure, that God/Jesus are not actually answering prayers. The scientific evidence is correct. "Answered prayers" are nothing more than simple coincidences every single time. The whole idea of "God answering prayers" is a complete illusion because God is imaginary.
TheRevealer

Stone Mountain, GA

#24 Feb 22, 2013
There is no scientific evidence indicating that God exists. We all know that. For example:

God has never left any physical evidence of his existence on earth.

None of Jesus' "miracles" left any physical evidence either.

God has never spoken to modern man, for example by taking over all the television stations and broadcasting a rational message to everyone.
The resurrected Jesus has never appeared to anyone.

The Bible we have is provably incorrect and is obviously the work of primitive men rather than God.

When we analyze prayer with statistics, we find no evidence that God is "answering prayers."

Huge, amazing atrocities like the Holocaust and AIDS occur without any response from God.
And so onů

Let's agree that there is no empirical evidence showing that God exists.

If you think about it as a rational person, this lack of evidence is startling. There is not one bit of empirical evidence indicating that today's "God", nor any other contemporary god, nor any god of the past, exists. In addition we know that:

If we had scientific proof of God's existence, we would talk about the "science of God" rather than "faith in God".

If we had scientific proof of God's existence, the study of God would be a scientific endeavor rather than a theological one.

If we had scientific proof of God's existence, all religious people would be aligning on the God that had been scientifically proven to exist. Instead there are thousands of gods and religions.
The reason for this lack of evidence is easy for any unbiased observer to see. The reason why there is no empirical evidence for God is because God is imaginary.
TheRevealer

Stone Mountain, GA

#25 Feb 25, 2013
Many believers will try to rationalize Jesus' absence by pointing to his famous statement in the Bible, "Happy are those who have not seen yet still believe."

If you think about this statement, what you realize is that it creates the perfect cover for a scam. Let's say you are Jesus, you are a normal human being, you realize that you are going to die and you want to cover for this fact. Here is what you would say: "Happy are those who have not seen yet still believe." What you are saying is, "I exist, and the way I am going to show you that I exist is by not showing that I exist." For every other object in the universe, the way that we know it exists is because the object provides evidence of its existence. If there is no evidence for an object's existence, we call it imaginary (e.g. Leprechauns). But with Jesus, the lack of evidence is turned into evidence. Quite clever, but obviously a scam.

You simply need to look at the evidence and accept what it is telling you. If the resurrection were true, then Jesus would be answering prayers as he promises in the Bible. He would also appear when people pray to see him. The fact is, as we saw here and here, there is definitive evidence that prayer accomplishes nothing. It is also obvious that Jesus is not appearing on earth today.

While we are on the topic of the resurrection, have you ever thought about how odd the whole crucifixion story is? Imagine the all-powerful, all-knowing creator of the universe sitting on his magnificent throne in heaven. He looks down onto earth and says to himself:

Those evil humans down on earth. I hate what they are doing. All this sin...
Since I am all-knowing I know exactly what the humans are doing and I understand exactly why they commit each sin. Since I created the humans in my own image and personally programmed human nature into their brains, I am the direct author of all of this sin. The instant I created them I knew exactly what would happen with every single human being right down to the nanosecond level for all eternity. If I didn't like how it was going to turn out, I could have simply changed them when I created them. And since I am perfect, I know exactly what I am doing. But ignore all that. I hate all these people doing exactly what I perfectly designed them to do and knew they would do from the moment I created them...

So here's what I am going to do. I will artificially inseminate a virgin. She will give birth to an incarnated version of me. The humans will eventually crucify and kill the incarnated me. That will, finally, make me happy. Yes, sending mself down and having the humans crucify me -- that will satisfy me. I feel much better now.
Joe Scriven

Carrollton, GA

#26 Feb 27, 2013
1. What a friend we have in Jesus,
all our sins and griefs to bear!
What a privilege to carry
everything to God in prayer!
O what peace we often forfeit,
O what needless pain we bear,
all because we do not carry
everything to God in prayer.

2. Have we trials and temptations?
Is there trouble anywhere?
We should never be discouraged;
take it to the Lord in prayer.
Can we find a friend so faithful
who will all our sorrows share?
Jesus knows our every weakness;
take it to the Lord in prayer.

3. Are we weak and heavy laden,
cumbered with a load of care?
Precious Savior, still our refuge;
take it to the Lord in prayer.
Do thy friends despise, forsake thee?
Take it to the Lord in prayer!
In his arms he'll take and shield thee;
thou wilt find a solace there.
wormsinhead

Cedartown, GA

#27 Feb 27, 2013
TheRevealer wrote:
Many believers will try to rationalize Jesus' absence by pointing to his famous statement in the Bible, "Happy are those who have not seen yet still believe."
If you think about this statement, what you realize is that it creates the perfect cover for a scam. Let's say you are Jesus, you are a normal human being, you realize that you are going to die and you want to cover for this fact. Here is what you would say: "Happy are those who have not seen yet still believe." What you are saying is, "I exist, and the way I am going to show you that I exist is by not showing that I exist." For every other object in the universe, the way that we know it exists is because the object provides evidence of its existence. If there is no evidence for an object's existence, we call it imaginary (e.g. Leprechauns). But with Jesus, the lack of evidence is turned into evidence. Quite clever, but obviously a scam.
You simply need to look at the evidence and accept what it is telling you. If the resurrection were true, then Jesus would be answering prayers as he promises in the Bible. He would also appear when people pray to see him. The fact is, as we saw here and here, there is definitive evidence that prayer accomplishes nothing. It is also obvious that Jesus is not appearing on earth today.
While we are on the topic of the resurrection, have you ever thought about how odd the whole crucifixion story is? Imagine the all-powerful, all-knowing creator of the universe sitting on his magnificent throne in heaven. He looks down onto earth and says to himself:
Those evil humans down on earth. I hate what they are doing. All this sin...
Since I am all-knowing I know exactly what the humans are doing and I understand exactly why they commit each sin. Since I created the humans in my own image and personally programmed human nature into their brains, I am the direct author of all of this sin. The instant I created them I knew exactly what would happen with every single human being right down to the nanosecond level for all eternity. If I didn't like how it was going to turn out, I could have simply changed them when I created them. And since I am perfect, I know exactly what I am doing. But ignore all that. I hate all these people doing exactly what I perfectly designed them to do and knew they would do from the moment I created them...
So here's what I am going to do. I will artificially inseminate a virgin. She will give birth to an incarnated version of me. The humans will eventually crucify and kill the incarnated me. That will, finally, make me happy. Yes, sending mself down and having the humans crucify me -- that will satisfy me. I feel much better now.
And who are you to judge BELIEVERS?
How many BELIEVERS are there in the world?
Are THEY all wrong?
Dear Atheist, BELIEVE what you want.
Preaching it to Christians is stupid on your end.
Bored lately?
You are wasting space with your analysis.
Do you believe in SATAN?
Never mind WE don't want to know.
Try some medication.maybe things will be better in the morning.

“Unions are still scum ”

Since: Dec 07

Atlanta

#28 Feb 27, 2013
union thug wrote:
If there is no God, then those that believe risk nothing. If there is a God, the non believers risk everything.
I will say this, though I believe in a higher power, I can only shake my head when I see children die horrible deaths and there is a God that could prevent that, but would seem to only sit idly by.

The Bible though is why there are so many errors as it was not written by God, but by men.

“Unions are still scum ”

Since: Dec 07

Atlanta

#29 Feb 28, 2013
wormsinhead wrote:
<quoted text> And who are you to judge BELIEVERS?
How many BELIEVERS are there in the world?
Are THEY all wrong?
Billions believe in Allah, billions believe in Hinduism, billions believe in Buddah, I will ask the very question you asked, "Are THEY all wrong"?
Hamburger Helper

Carrollton, GA

#30 Feb 28, 2013
Note to self: Do not use The Revealer nor MSO4 as spiritual advisors.
TheRevealer

Stone Mountain, GA

#32 Feb 28, 2013
wormsinhead wrote:
<quoted text> And who are you to judge BELIEVERS?
How many BELIEVERS are there in the world?
Are THEY all wrong?
Dear Atheist, BELIEVE what you want.
Preaching it to Christians is stupid on your end.
Bored lately?
You are wasting space with your analysis.
Do you believe in SATAN?
Never mind WE don't want to know.
Try some medication.maybe things will be better in the morning.
How ignorant can you be?

Numbers means nothing. Millions and millions supported Hitler, Stalin, Mao. Did that make genocide right?

They all can't be right.

Refusing to research and look for answers is both lazy and ignorant on your part.

Satan? Really?

Ah, someone opposes your belief and suddenly they are in need of medication.

"When one person talks to them-self it's mental illness, when millions do it, it's religion"
Metaphysical

United States

#33 Feb 28, 2013
TheRevealer wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't know so therefore god. Real intellectual process you've got there. Personal experience is not evidence of miracles or god.
How are you so sure it was your god and not Zeus, Apollo, Athena, ra, Horus, Thor, Allah or any of the other 5,000 + gods that have been created by man.
I love when you people say "there's no explanation, it's a miracle". You people and your god of the gaps.
You're not gonna debate me? You did. You clearly stated that my position is false but did not provide any evidence to prove your extravagant claim of the contrary position except to provide an argument from ignorance.
Ah, the iconoclast. Other than to rain on everyone's parade, what good do you derive from any of this. Does it make you feel better to make others who believe feel worse?
Metaphysical

United States

#34 Feb 28, 2013
MSO4 wrote:
<quoted text>I will say this, though I believe in a higher power, I can only shake my head when I see children die horrible deaths and there is a God that could prevent that, but would seem to only sit idly by.
The Bible though is why there are so many errors as it was not written by God, but by men.
Very well said!

“Unions are still scum ”

Since: Dec 07

Atlanta

#35 Feb 28, 2013
Hamburger Helper wrote:
Note to self: Do not use The Revealer nor MSO4 as spiritual advisors.
I am not for hire.

“Unions are still scum ”

Since: Dec 07

Atlanta

#36 Feb 28, 2013
Metaphysical wrote:
<quoted text>
Very well said!
Someone has to. I always get a kick hearing Christians laugh about Muslims and their 72 virgins(and rightly so), but never doubt that somehow Noah put two of each animal on the arc. That boat would have had to been a mile long to hold millions of species. Or how they revel in the story of Abraham ready to sacrifice his child for God. If someone were to do that today, and claimed they were instructed by God, they would locked up forever.
wormsinhead

Cedartown, GA

#37 Feb 28, 2013
Hamburger Helper wrote:
Note to self: Do not use The Revealer nor MSO4 as spiritual advisors.
lol! I hear dat!
wormsinhead

Cedartown, GA

#38 Feb 28, 2013
TheRevealer wrote:
<quoted text>
How ignorant can you be?
Numbers means nothing. Millions and millions supported Hitler, Stalin, Mao. Did that make genocide right?
They all can't be right.
Refusing to research and look for answers is both lazy and ignorant on your part.
Satan? Really?
Ah, someone opposes your belief and suddenly they are in need of medication.
"When one person talks to them-self it's mental illness, when millions do it, it's religion"
You have been talking to yourself for days now! I guess that means YOU are mental! Case closed.....book em Dano!
misticosombrero

Cedartown, GA

#39 Feb 28, 2013
Hamburger Helper wrote:
Note to self: Do not use The Revealer nor MSO4 as spiritual advisors.
..........the above is the best post in this whole string,'hamburger helper'.........which of course is nothing more than 'revealer' posting over, and over, and over, and over.........hey 'revolting-revealer', get a grip man...it's to the point now we don't even read your posts....it's the same song & multiple verses with you, ad nauseum...we get it; you don't believe...so what? you are nothing new, hoss. give it a break.
wormsinhead

Cedartown, GA

#40 Feb 28, 2013
The Revealer should write a book. Of course the downfall to that would be
No one would buy or read it.
But he would be satisfied that he REVEALED his beliefs to all.
Issues

Carrollton, GA

#41 Apr 1, 2013
I think TheRevealer has some pent up issues. Not sure where you're coming from and why you are trying so hard to change someone's mind. If you believe or don't believe, is a personal matter.
bluerain

Cedartown, GA

#42 Apr 1, 2013
I just want to say that I believe in God and I've saw him heal several people that the Doctors weren't giving any chance, so I believe in the power of prayer!

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