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Yep

United States

#2 Mar 30, 2010
My older brother was an OBGYN in another Georgia city, And my late wife was a registered nurse. Neither his wife nor myself were concerned about our spouses dealing with the opposite sex. They were both (strong) christians and professionals. I would like to make a suggestion, If you and your spouse feel this stronly about dealing with doctors and nurses of the opposite sex i have a suggestion as far as delivery is concerned, every thing else can be addressed by scheduling. The ladies can schedule a C section and this way you can have a lady OBGYN. This is a way to put this issue to rest.
Medical Patient Modesty

Boone, NC

#3 Mar 30, 2010
The truth is many women prefer to avoid C Sections if possible. I simply would like to see Rome getting an all female ob/gyn practice. Rome is the size of Hickory, NC and they have an all female ob/gyn practice ( http://www.awomansview.com ). One of the female doctors in this practice used to be a missionary in Africa. It would be nice if some people in Rome could work to create an all female ob/gyn practice. About 90% of ob/gyn residents are female now so that is good news.

I feel it's a huge cultural blind spot.

I encourage all Christian mothers who may read this to discourage their teenage daughters from going to a male gynecologist. It would be nice if many teenagers who have made commitment to save sex for marriage to also never let another man (including doctor) to touch and examine certain parts of their body that should be reserved for their future husbands. Male doctors are men like other men.
Jojn

United States

#4 Mar 30, 2010
If the male ob/gyn was gay, would that help??
Medical Patient Modesty

Boone, NC

#5 Mar 30, 2010
No, that would not help at all. He is still a man. Even if I could be guaranteed that a male gynecologist would not lust after a woman, I still would not want him simply because he is a man. I feel that it is very special for the husband of a woman to be the only man to see and touch the private parts of her.
observer

Waterloo, Canada

#6 Mar 31, 2010
Medical Patient Modesty wrote:
The truth is many women prefer to avoid C Sections if possible. I simply would like to see Rome getting an all female ob/gyn practice. Rome is the size of Hickory, NC and they have an all female ob/gyn practice ( http://www.awomansview.com ). One of the female doctors in this practice used to be a missionary in Africa. It would be nice if some people in Rome could work to create an all female ob/gyn practice. About 90% of ob/gyn residents are female now so that is good news.
I feel it's a huge cultural blind spot.
I encourage all Christian mothers who may read this to discourage their teenage daughters from going to a male gynecologist. It would be nice if many teenagers who have made commitment to save sex for marriage to also never let another man (including doctor) to touch and examine certain parts of their body that should be reserved for their future husbands. Male doctors are men like other men.
with 90 percent of residents woman (and this number keeps going up every year) what's up with the ten percent who are boys? They are really hanging on. I hope these boys don't think they are fooling anyone to what there real motives are. They are not going to make much money because few woman will go to them. Guess they will need a second job to help support there fetish. This last ten percent are the hard core pervs, you boys are very transparent. My wife sees woman doctors only and so won't my daughter when the time comes.
yep

United States

#7 Mar 31, 2010
Medical Patient Modesty wrote:
No, that would not help at all. He is still a man. Even if I could be guaranteed that a male gynecologist would not lust after a woman, I still would not want him simply because he is a man. I feel that it is very special for the husband of a woman to be the only man to see and touch the private parts of her.
You have the wright to have a doctor the gender that you prefer. Speaking from a male stand point i can't imagine having sex on his mind under those conditions. I don't mean to be ugly, but you are so far in left field with your thinking. Your post doesnot deserve a response. Although, i say again you have to have whatever kind of doctor you prefer.
Medical Patient Modesty

Boone, NC

#8 Mar 31, 2010
yep wrote:
<quoted text>You have the wright to have a doctor the gender that you prefer. Speaking from a male stand point i can't imagine having sex on his mind under those conditions. I don't mean to be ugly, but you are so far in left field with your thinking. Your post doesnot deserve a response. Although, i say again you have to have whatever kind of doctor you prefer.
Many male doctors actually have sex on their mind when they examine private parts of women. Why do so many male doctors commit sexual misconduct? Even strongest Christian men have a hard time not thinking lustful thoughts. It is true that there are some gross things. But most husbands would not be comfortable with another man cleaning diarrhea off his wife even though it is very gross.

I encourage you to look at a male doctor's posting. He used to do gynecological examinations, but was convicted it was wrong. You can find his posting at http://www.topix.com/forum/med/obstetrics-and... . He has some male colleagues who admitted that they struggled with staying pure in thoughts.
Patient Safety

Texarkana, TX

#9 Mar 31, 2010
Yep wrote:
My older brother was an OBGYN in another Georgia city, And my late wife was a registered nurse. Neither his wife nor myself were concerned about our spouses dealing with the opposite sex. They were both (strong) christians and professionals. I would like to make a suggestion, If you and your spouse feel this stronly about dealing with doctors and nurses of the opposite sex i have a suggestion as far as delivery is concerned, every thing else can be addressed by scheduling. The ladies can schedule a C section and this way you can have a lady OBGYN. This is a way to put this issue to rest.
I'm glad that you and your sister-in-law felt enough trust in your respective spouses that you would trust them to look at and touch other people's genitalia of the opposite sex. There are so many cases of doctors fondling, molesting, and outright raping their patients that it's scandalous!

I don't know about your late wife, but it's almost a certainty that any man would at some time during his career have come across a woman who he found very attractive. He no doubt had some...(cough) impure thoughts regarding her. While he may not have carried them out, the temptation was there. Men are men. Certainly you have seen attractive women. How much more difficult would it have been if they were opening their private parts to you?
observer

Warwick, RI

#10 Mar 31, 2010
By the way boys, why are you trying to go someplace your not wanted?(Well, we know the reason) surveys have consistently show woman prefer a woman gyn. Don't think the men in their lives, husbands, fathers, boyfriends, don't feel the same way and have some influence over them. You see those men I mentioned know exactly what your thinking and they tell the woman in their lives. The woman trust these men because they know they are loved by them. We know what you love. There actually has been some male gyns who say they have been discriminated against because a woman gyn has been hired over them. It's called, supply and demand. The woman patients want to see woman. Are you going to hire someone, pay them a good salary and let them sit in an empty exam room? I think not. You can't force a woman to see a male doc. Its woman and men driving this trend. You were born thirty years to late. Men dominated the field at one time, now its woman.
Former GYN Patient

Rome, GA

#11 Apr 2, 2010
I went to so the GYN last year and the doctor was a male. No problem there. I can understand the posters thoughts and her spiritual feeling to NOT have a strange man examine her. But she said that if the doc was gay he still may lust for her, so is that saying that a female doc could not fall to the same lust?
I really think this whole topic is silly. How can a doc commit sexual misconduct when doing an exam when a female nurse is in the room? And what exactly is sexual misconduct during a pelvic exam? And if you are claiming to not want to see a male doctor because of a spiritual reason, how do you think this doctor was given the gift to be a doctor?
obsever

Waterloo, Canada

#12 Apr 2, 2010
Former GYN Patient wrote:
I went to so the GYN last year and the doctor was a male. No problem there. I can understand the posters thoughts and her spiritual feeling to NOT have a strange man examine her. But she said that if the doc was gay he still may lust for her, so is that saying that a female doc could not fall to the same lust?
I really think this whole topic is silly. How can a doc commit sexual misconduct when doing an exam when a female nurse is in the room? And what exactly is sexual misconduct during a pelvic exam? And if you are claiming to not want to see a male doctor because of a spiritual reason, how do you think this doctor was given the gift to be a doctor?
google doctors or gyns who fondle. You will see lots of actual news stories of doctors (male) who have done this. The stories follow right up through the criminal trial and conviction and prison sentance. Look up dr.finkle. A gyn now in jail. He was famous for his "cl*t flick" as he called it. A real arogant s.o.b.the artcles are from regular news sources so the have to choose their words carefully when describing body parts, but it does usually seem to involve trying to stimulate a womans cl*t, while the nurse is up near the patients head. Even if a woman gyn is a lesbian, I doubt they would get aroused the way a man would. Men are far more sexually stimulated by sight. Any, ANY, man telling you otherwise is lying. I don't have to tell you, woman are wired differently then men. But go ahead and google, read away, its shocking how many male doctors have done this. I'm sure you will never look at a male gyn the same way again. P.s. I've yet to see a storie of a woman gyn
Jojoseahorse

Bronx, NY

#13 Apr 2, 2010
Regarding how a gyn (either gender) could commit sexual misconduct while a female nurse is in the room; true, she may not notice or realise, but even if she did, whose side do you think she is on? Do you really think that a nurse is going to speak out against the doctor who employs her? Someone who feels more comfortable having a chaperone there would do better to bring a friend, spouse or partner to the exam with them. Any doctor who objects to such a support person being in the room is not to be trusted. You should ask them "What don't you want another person to see?"
For the record, the last two times I was abused by a doctor, the doctor was female and she had a nurse in the room. The first time, the nurse stood by and did nothing, and the second time I managed to push the doctor away before she violated me, then I had to content with her telling me I had no right to prevent her doing an exam (which incidentally had nothing whatsoever to do with the reason for the visit, and that I had already refused verbally and on the consent form), and the nurse standing next to her backing her up! Some protection.
Jo
obsever

Waterloo, Canada

#14 Apr 2, 2010
Jojoseahorse wrote:
Regarding how a gyn (either gender) could commit sexual misconduct while a female nurse is in the room; true, she may not notice or realise, but even if she did, whose side do you think she is on? Do you really think that a nurse is going to speak out against the doctor who employs her? Someone who feels more comfortable having a chaperone there would do better to bring a friend, spouse or partner to the exam with them. Any doctor who objects to such a support person being in the room is not to be trusted. You should ask them "What don't you want another person to see?"
For the record, the last two times I was abused by a doctor, the doctor was female and she had a nurse in the room. The first time, the nurse stood by and did nothing, and the second time I managed to push the doctor away before she violated me, then I had to content with her telling me I had no right to prevent her doing an exam (which incidentally had nothing whatsoever to do with the reason for the visit, and that I had already refused verbally and on the consent form), and the nurse standing next to her backing her up! Some protection.
Jo
its a very good point, the nurse works for and is paid by the doctor, she most likely will be on his side. Otherwise, the next thing you know is that she's been fired and blackballed. Also, men are required by insurance law to have a nurse present. Why do you think that is?
Medical Patient Modesty

Boone, NC

#15 Apr 2, 2010
Former GYN Patient,
Many Christians have never thought about the issue of male gynecologists because they were taught that it is okay for doctors to do anything since they are doctors. But that is not true. I encourage you to really read what Leslie Ludy who wrote ďWhen God Writes Your Love StoryĒ had to say in regard to it being a cultural blind spot at http://allfemaleobgyndirectory.com/conversati... . We are often taught to not question anything the medical industry does. But the truth is medical industry has made so many mistakes. I know of many strong Christians who have never thought about how wrong male gynecologists were. I know it is hard when you have done something for years and didnít realize the truth about it. I simply encourage Christian women who have gone to male gynecologists in the past to never go back to a male gynecologist again and if you need to go to a gynecologist, find a new female ob/gyn. For women in Rome who are pregnant, I recommend that they consider finding an all female ob/gyn in the Atlanta area to ensure that they have a female ob/gyn for the birth of their child until Rome gets an all female ob/gyn practice. It is worth driving for a female ob/gyn. You can be guaranteed a female ob/gyn in a mixed practice for scheduled surgeries or examinations. Home birth with a midwife is also ideal. Midwives seem to be more respectful of your wishes. You do need to have a backup plan that a female ob/gyn would deliver your baby in case complications rise to make it impossible for a home birth.

It is very rare for female ob/gyns to be lesbians. You will find out that most female ob/gyns are indeed married. It is true that sometimes female ob/gyns do invasive examinations that are unnecessary and go against your wishes. For example, some women donít want to have rectal examinations at all. Even some female ob/gyns are not respectful of womenís wishes for patient modesty. For example, one of my friends had a C Section and she requested that no medical students be present, but the female ob/gyn ignored her wishes. We do need to work on educating some female ob/gyns on being more sensitive to their patientsí wishes.

Most normal women donít have any lustful thoughts toward other women at all. This is not normal at all. I am sure you see scantily dressed women all the time. I strongly doubt you struggle at all since you are a woman. We often see some women who show too much of their breasts. We donít lust at all. But itís a different story for men. Even strongest Christian men have lustful thoughts about women. Many of them donít intend to lust at all, but when they see scantily dressed women.

Having a nurse present will not help to prevent sexual misconduct from happening. It is true that it would pretty much prevent the doctor from taking his clothes off and force sexual intercourse on you. But there are so many other aspects to sexual misconduct that donít involve sexual intercourse. I wonít be graphic here. Some women accused one ob/gyn of going too far with the pelvic examination. A nurse who was present said that she just thought that the doctor was doing a thorough examination. The truth is doctors just have nurses present with them to prevent patients from accusing them.

As for Christian women who have gone to male gynecologist before, I simply encourage you all to find a female ob/gyn and never go back to a male one again. Encourage other Christian women to give up going to a male ob/gyn too. I think that all parents should encourage their young daughters to never go to a male gynecologist and save marriage for sex and let their future husband be the only man to touch and see their private parts. It is a very special bond when that happens and I believe thatís what God intended.
Medical Patient Modesty

Boone, NC

#16 Apr 2, 2010
Former GYN Patient wrote:
And if you are claiming to not want to see a male doctor because of a spiritual reason, how do you think this doctor was given the gift to be a doctor?
I encourage you to check out where one male doctor admitted what happened to him when he did gynecological examinations at http://www.topix.com/forum/med/obstetrics-and... . He also talked about his male colleagues. I really admire this doctor. He has given up doing gynecological examinations because he realized it was wrong. His wife only goes to a female ob/gyn.

Many male ob/gyns never go as far as having sex with their patients like the above doctor, but they do have impure thoughts. It is not okay for men in other professions as teachers, psychologists, etc. to see women who they are not married naked. Doctors are no different from other men. They are not morally above other men. How could male gynecologists be married and have children if they donít ever have sexual thoughts?

I believe that God does give many people the gift to be doctors. We are blessed to have doctors. But men have no business being male gynecologists at all. It is inappropriate for a man to see and examine the private parts of another woman who he is not married to. There are so many other medical specialties they could choose from. Centuries ago, only midwives delivered babies.

I have a list of hard questions that Christians have asked about male gynecologists that I'd like to share with you. I'll put it in another posting.
Medical Patient Modesty

Boone, NC

#17 Apr 2, 2010
Some Hard Questions that Christians May Ask Me And How I Would Respond:

1.) What about the women who give permission to male doctors to do intimate examinations? Sadly, people often are taught that we should not question the medical industry. There are many things they do that go against Godís will. Itís just not about intimate exams by the opposite sex. One of my friendsí husband almost died as a result of a MRSA infection he contracted from a knee surgery. It was apparent that at least some of the medical professionals didnít wash their hands. Medical professionals are not God. They are just like all of us. Itís strange that women were taught as girls that they should not be naked in front of men including their fathers and then later on when they got older, their mothers told them that they need to go to male doctors for intimate exams. I bet you that most women at first didnít really want to go to male doctors, but gave in because the culture said they had to. Christian women think that they have to submit to intimate exams by male doctors in the name of medicine. This is exactly what I am trying to point out about the cultural blind spot.

2.) What about women patients who have nurses or a
chaperone in the room with them when a male gynecologist examines them? The woman is still lying naked on a table with her legs wide open and a man who is not her husband is between them looking at and touching her private parts. He also gets to put his fingers up her and penetrate her with his fingers. A nurse or another woman in the room doesnít change this fact at all. I find it very hard to believe that this is Godís will even in a medical setting. There are so many good female gynecologists that women could go to for intimate exams. I believe that God intended for women to be in this field. There is no mention of Luke doing any intimate examinations on women in the Bible. Midwives delivered babies. Another thing to consider is there were no pap smears in the bible.

3.) What about male gynecologists who are pro life? It is great for male doctors to be pro life, but still I donít believe that they have any business seeing and examining private parts of women who are not their wives. They could definitely still work with babies, but not where they would have to see private parts of women who were not their wives. Perhaps, they could help premature babies and babies who have urgent needs at birth such as heart conditions.

4.) What about male gynecologists who are Christians? Christian men even male gynecologists who are supposed to be Christians have very a hard time staying pure in thoughts when they see immodestly dressed or naked women. You certainly cannot see what is inside a manís head so you never know what he might be thinking. You know this because many Christian men put a pornographic filter on their computers mainly to prevent the men in their household from seeing pornography. You know itís not easy for a Christian man to stay pure. Maybe sometimes male gynecologists donít see certain women as attractive. But it is still wrong for them to see naked women who are not their wives. They touch a woman in a way that her husband should only. If you look at marriage and Godís word, I think you can conclude that the husband should only do certain things to his wife.
Medical Patient Modesty

Boone, NC

#18 Apr 2, 2010
5.) What about men who would love to deliver babies? It is certainly possible for a man with this desire to deliver babies, but it should only be his wifeís babies. It is truly a miracle for a baby to born, but men have no business witnessing the delivery of other womenís babies if they have to see the womanís private parts. Male doctors who want to work with babies certainly can still do this, but they should let the female doctors, nurses, and midwives deal with the part where the baby comes out of the birth canal. Male doctors could work with babies in the neonatal unit and nursery. I have always thought that the best childbirth scene was for everyone in the room to be female except for the womanís husband. Babies are a gift from the Lord.

6.) What about men who have passion with helping to cure female cancers possibly because some of their relatives succumbed to cancer? This is certainly a wonderful passion, but they have no business looking at private parts of women who are not their wives. They can help with the research and possibly with creating new medicines. They can give treatments, but not examine or look at private areas. If they have to experiment on a female patient, it should be their wife in present of female doctors. They can help to give female doctors information. If I was a doctor and I had passion with helping to cure prostate cancer in men, I could certainly help with the research, but I could never examine menís private parts. It would be okay for me to give the blood test.

7.) What about the years when there were hardly any women doctors? I understand that there were not many female gynecologists before 1990. This is why I told you earlier that I knew that 90-95% of women who were above the age of 40 had been to a male gynecologist at least one time in their lifetime. But it was wrong for the men to be gynecologists. It should have never happened. The culture should have only allowed women be gynecologist in the first place. Look at how babies were always delivered by midwives in the bible. I know that Luke was a doctor, but thereís no mention of him examining womenís private parts. Also, there were no gynecological exams such as pap smears in the Bible.
observer

Waterloo, Canada

#19 Apr 3, 2010
Medical Patient Modesty wrote:
5.) What about men who would love to deliver babies? It is certainly possible for a man with this desire to deliver babies, but it should only be his wifeís babies. It is truly a miracle for a baby to born, but men have no business witnessing the delivery of other womenís babies if they have to see the womanís private parts. Male doctors who want to work with babies certainly can still do this, but they should let the female doctors, nurses, and midwives deal with the part where the baby comes out of the birth canal. Male doctors could work with babies in the neonatal unit and nursery. I have always thought that the best childbirth scene was for everyone in the room to be female except for the womanís husband. Babies are a gift from the Lord.
6.) What about men who have passion with helping to cure female cancers possibly because some of their relatives succumbed to cancer? This is certainly a wonderful passion, but they have no business looking at private parts of women who are not their wives. They can help with the research and possibly with creating new medicines. They can give treatments, but not examine or look at private areas. If they have to experiment on a female patient, it should be their wife in present of female doctors. They can help to give female doctors information. If I was a doctor and I had passion with helping to cure prostate cancer in men, I could certainly help with the research, but I could never examine menís private parts. It would be okay for me to give the blood test.
7.) What about the years when there were hardly any women doctors? I understand that there were not many female gynecologists before 1990. This is why I told you earlier that I knew that 90-95% of women who were above the age of 40 had been to a male gynecologist at least one time in their lifetime. But it was wrong for the men to be gynecologists. It should have never happened. The culture should have only allowed women be gynecologist in the first place. Look at how babies were always delivered by midwives in the bible. I know that Luke was a doctor, but thereís no mention of him examining womenís private parts. Also, there were no gynecological exams such as pap smears in the Bible.
very well articulated. You may change a lot of minds, but not all. For some reason, some woman love male gyns. They use words like he's gentle or tender, as if they were descibing the touch of a lover. How about just wanting the exam to be neutral? Not gentle and tender and certainly not rough. My own experiance of a prostate exam, I would describe as neutral. I would feel violated if it was gentle and tender or rough
Jojn

Birmingham, AL

#20 Apr 4, 2010
Jo said her doctor was a female and you said the nurse would take "his" side, reread the post again and btw, you left the r out of your name?
obsever wrote:
<quoted text> its a very good point, the nurse works for and is paid by the doctor, she most likely will be on his side. Otherwise, the next thing you know is that she's been fired and blackballed. Also, men are required by insurance law to have a nurse present. Why do you think that is?

“Unions are still scum ”

Since: Dec 07

Atlanta

#21 Apr 4, 2010
Medical Patient Modesty wrote:
<quoted text>
Many male doctors actually have sex on their mind when they examine private parts of women.
Are you kidding me? I am sure that is why they went to med school for 8 years, and another 4 years of internship, just so they coulf take a peek at your private parts. How damn idiotic. Next someone will only want a black MD or a white MD. If you are sick and need medical attention, does it really matter who looks at your vagina?

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