Rick Godwin's statement

Nov 29, 2007 Full story: MySA.com 61

“Give honor to whom honor is due.”

Pastor Rick Godwin gave this statement from the pulpit during the weekend of Nov. via MySA.com

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ANON also

San Antonio, TX

#41 Aug 9, 2008
Come to Summit and see what God has done. Rick and Cindy praise God for Summit and the lives that they are touching. He is real and his messages are right on the mark, always. These distractions and attacks are just manifestations of the devil wanting to bring something good down.

I was raised Southern Baptist, it turned me off to religion. Being told that Jesus died for my sins, but if I drank a beer I would go to hell really didn't seem right to me.

We ALL have things in our past that we wish we didn't have or could have done better - Get over it and move on. Life is too short!!

My family and I have found a community where we can grow in our walk with the Lord. My girls are excited about going to church, always.
I WANT to go to church and LOOK FORWARD to it. That was NEVER the case before hearing Rick's orations.

I will continue to have faith in the Lord and believe that Rick and Cindy are doing God's work.

God Bless you all.
charles

Winnipeg, Canada

#42 Aug 12, 2008
I would imagine that you believe the tabloids as well! Unless you've confirmed these details FIRST HAND what you spread is nothing more than juicy gossip. Shame on you.
Matilda wrote:
There is no hype, the stories and evidence speak for themselves. His first wife died in an auto accident in 1976 while Rick Godwin was in South Carolina w/ Shannon. This occured AFTER he unbiblicaly divorced his wife.
He then met his 17 yr old student in the youth group where he taught, and she (Cindy Godwin) did not want Shannon. Rick and Cindy Godwin put 8 yr old Shannon in an institution and when they wouldn't keep her because she wasn't crazy, they put her in an orphanage, took Shannon's trust money and went to Hawaii.
Shannon's maternal grandparents finally were able to get her out of the orphanage and adopt her if Rick and Cindy promised not to press charges on Godwin for stealing her trust.
Now, he's still stealing tithe money that was meant for missions according to the documents given at
http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/feedbac...
Now, after buying two new Mercedes, he's begging for money for the new $36 million building.
This church has turned into a big business money scheme.
ex member

Port Isabel, TX

#43 Aug 14, 2008
I was a member at ENCF for over 5 years. In this time I never heard Rick mention that his ex was a drug addict. He did ste that she was not a christian, and since she didn't want to become one he divorced her. He also went on to say that the inheritance that would have been hers, is now Cindy's.
friend of Jesus

Houston, TX

#44 Aug 11, 2009
I visited Eagle's Nest during a seminar back in the early 80s. At that time, I discerned the whole bunch to be false prophets. Thank God I didn't become involved with them.
saddened sister in Fla

United States

#45 Nov 12, 2009
I am so very saddened by the Christians who are being attacked and overcome by satan in this day. It really grieves me to see that Rick Godwin appears to be one of satan's prime victims. It is also sad to see that instead of praying for his restoration, if such is needed, there seems to be nothing but condemnation and judgment. Where is the mercy and grace YOU would want if YOU were in his shoes. You could be, you know!! If he is guilty of what he is accused of, it is because satan has overcome him and deceived him. WWJD???
Rick, I am grieved to the core of my being over what I am seeing. You have my prayers and my compassion. There, but for the grace of God, go I.
I ask that the peace of God cover you and keep you,
that you would be filled with the knowledge of His will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding; that you may walk worthy of the Lord, fully pleasing to Him, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God; Strengthened with all might according to His glorious power, for all lpatience and longsuffering with joy; giving thanks to the Father,Who has qua;ofoed us to be partakers of dthe inheritance of the saints.
He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His Love.
Rick, in the Name of our precious Savior, Yeshua Messiah, I apply the precious blood of Jesus to your wounded and damaged heart. I speak freedom and health to you in His precious Name. I rebuke the powers of darkness and command that you be freed in the Name of Yeshua Messiah. May you walk in His Presence and Love.
Jason

United States

#47 Feb 7, 2011
And I typoed REMARRIAGE. Oops.
Luke 1618

Grand Rapids, MI

#48 Mar 15, 2011
Apostle Paul received his Gospel directly from the Lord Jesus, consequently he was in full agreement with Jesus that there was no legitimacy in any ‘no fault divorce’ and that even when the civil courts granted the divorce, the divorce did not dissolve the marriage.

Such is the irreversible union of the ‘one-flesh’ in the eyes of God. Divorce ends nothing. Pushing a piece of paper across a courtroom table changes nothing about that relationship in the eyes of God. As far as God is concerned they are still ‘one-flesh’ after the paper is pushed across the table.

Man invented ‘no fault divorce’ and it has no reality in God’s world.

Like Jesus, Paul regarded all marriages, Christian and non-Christian, as irreversible. Only the death of one of the partners can separate a married couple.

Remarriage, Jesus pointed out, means adultery, not a legitimate marriage.

If a spouse believes that by getting a divorce they have untied their marriage knot and are now free to remarry, they have mistakenly believed the civil court over Jesus.

For Jesus, divorce is a sham, something men made up. Divorce only opens the door to adultery and not to freedom.

To believe that divorce actually ends a legitimate marriage is to call Jesus a liar. To obtain a divorce and then remarry is to sin against the Lord Jesus Christ.

Securing a divorce is a sinful action and those who obtain them and believe that they have erased their legitimate marriage must understand that the Lord still holds them to their original marriage covenant unto death.

They are not free and they will become adulterers if they remarry. The remarriage enters them into an adulterous relationship. A second marriage is only lawful when the original partner has died. Romans 7:2-3

Pastors who care for the souls of men will speak the TRUTH!

http://www.cadz.net/mdr.html
Luke 1618

Grand Rapids, MI

#49 Mar 15, 2011
Jesus Christ Taught the Indissolubility of the Marriage Covenant.

Our civil laws may permit divorce and remarriage, but God's Word condemns it. Marriage was established by God and not by man. In-as-much as marriage was ordained by God, His Word is the final authority in matters concerning it.

God's Word has not left us in the dark concerning marriage and divorce.

Jesus made it clear that divorce does not end the marriage covenant. If remarriage was legitimate, Jesus would have never called remarriage “adultery.”

The marriage covenant cannot be dissolved by civil law. When a man and woman unite in marriage and become ''one flesh,'' no power on earth, but death can dissolve that union.

In the divorce trial of Powers vs. Powers in the state of New York, Judge William J. Gaylord, instructed the jury as follows, he told the jurors;

“If you decide for divorce in this case, remember you may only cut the knot tied about the parties by the state's civil law, you absolutely cannot touch the covenant bond which states that these persons are married “till death do us part.”

I charge you gentlemen, that so far as concerns a covenant bond existing between these two people, we have nothing whatsoever to do with that. If these people are bound by a covenant, you and I are not seeking to sever that obligation.

When we are through with this case that obligation is left untouched.

We do nothing whatsoever to it. They are just as much bound by it after we get through with them, as they were before. We do not sever it, we do not break it, and that is something that it seems to me is very often misunderstood. Civil law cannot end a covenant made before God.”

If people realized the truth of Judge Gaylord's statements we would not be confronted with our divorce problem.

When a person goes to the courthouse and divorces his mate according to the law of the land, he only breaks the civil connection. He doesn’t break,“the one flesh” that was joined by God on his wedding day.

That day a covenant was entered into, through God’s Divine Law and civil law cannot touch that covenant. That covenant is valid unto death.

“A woman is bound to her husband as long as he lives.” 1 Corinthians 7:39

As the judge states, a civil court has nothing whatsoever to do with a covenant made before God and a civil court cannot dissolve a covenant that is bound by God.

http://www.cadz.net/mdr.html
Luke 1618

Grand Rapids, MI

#50 Mar 15, 2011
“The Lord has been witness between you and the wife of your youth.”
Malachi 2:14

Marriage is a covenant made under the jurisdiction of divine law. Men can make and break human covenants, but only God has authority over a divine covenant.

We want God to join us in marriage, but we want man to separate us. When trouble comes--we call the lawyers.

The major problem with that plan is that God does not recognize the actions of an earthly judge who acts in defiance of divine authority. When a judge bangs down his gavel and says, divorce granted;

God does NOT nod in agreement.

The Lord ignores the judge’s decree--leaving you
from God’s point of view
just as married as ever.

This explains what Jesus meant when He said that if a man divorces his wife and marries another, he is committing adultery. On the basis of His Divine Law, God still sees the first marriage as valid. The divorce did not end the marriage--in God’s sight.

The marriage covenant functions under God’s authority. Man cannot alter His law.

God said---Marriage is for Life. 1 Corinthians 7:39

http://www.cadz.net/mdr.html
Luke 1618

Grand Rapids, MI

#51 Mar 15, 2011
We must look at who is "The Lawful Spouse" in God’s eyes.

When a person goes to the courthouse and divorces his mate according to the laws of the land, God does not recognize that divorce decree, because God Himself joined that couple through His Divine Law and not through, civil law.

It doesn’t matter if the records down at City Hall say you’re divorced.

The records in Heaven say you are still married.

God established marriage and thus, He regulates it. Man is forbidden to separate what God has joined together. So, if a man goes out and contracts another marriage, God does not recognize his new mate as his lawful wife.

God calls that relationship adultery--Luke 16:18. The first wife is still the one who God acknowledges as the man's lawful spouse, while the second one is unlawful and results in the man being in an adulterous relationship.

“We have a court system these days that will allow a spouse to divorce their lawful partner for any cause and then allow them to marry another. This is what my wife did, but I am still married to her under God’s divine law and my wife is in an adulterous relationship with a man God does not recognize as her lawful husband, according to His Word.

I pray that the lies of the enemy will be silenced and that the churches will once again teach the truth, before everyone gets ensnared in an ADULTEROUS marriage. Please pray for my wife to come out of her adultery.”--Robert

We are not doing right by people when we hold back from them God's truth about this matter. Do our pastors today sense the urgency to convey the truth to people?

In the “Book of Common Prayer” we found this opening which was always standard at weddings--it boldly declares the unlawfulness and God's judgment against unscriptural marriages.

The minister was required to say the following:

“I require and charge you both, as you will answer at the dreadful day of judgment when the secrets of all hearts shall be disclosed, that if either of you know any impediment, why you may not be lawfully joined together in Holy Matrimony, you do now confess it.

For be you well assured, that if any persons are joined together OTHER then what God allows--are not joined together by God--neither is their marriage lawful.”

I wonder why our ministers today do not use this anymore. Is it too offensive for Christians to speak the truth? God will not join people in an unscriptural marriage.

The bond of marriage ends with death. Romans 7:2-3

“A woman is bound to her husband as long as he lives.” 1 Corinthians 7:39

http://www.cadz.net/mdr.html
MJF

Denton, TX

#52 Jun 14, 2011
ex member wrote:
I was a member at ENCF for over 5 years. In this time I never heard Rick mention that his ex was a drug addict. He did ste that she was not a christian, and since she didn't want to become one he divorced her. He also went on to say that the inheritance that would have been hers, is now Cindy's.
How godly of him to divorce her for not wanting to become a Christian. Is that how he interprets Eph 5- "Husbands love your wives the way Christ loves the church?" 1 Cor 7 plainly states that if we are married to an unbeliever, we are commanded to STAY with them that they might be saved. What a treacherous ungodly man. Disgusting. How anyone could follow this man is beyond me.
Skull-1

Downey, CA

#53 Jun 14, 2011
He is an empty talker.
Check out the expose' on him at www.talkshoe.com/tc/76507
mary

Somerset, KY

#54 Aug 18, 2011
I love eagle heights church i wish i had a church like this years ago
Covenant Warrior

Fayetteville, AR

#55 Jul 15, 2012
There is no such thing as a "Biblical Divorce." That is a myth of Reformation Doctrine. Jesus' discussion of divorce in Mat 5 and 19 only applied to the Jewish Betrothal (PREMARITAL infidelity was grounds to end the ESPOUSAL not the marriage in Jewish custom).

In John 8:41 Jesus was mocked for being born of PORNEIA (pre-marital sex) which was the reason Joseph initially intended to divorce his *ESPOUSED* wife Mary in Mat 1.

Think about it people. A covenant cannot be changed or set aside once ratified (Gal 3:15). If you say "until death do you part" that is exactly what it means and God doesn't see it any other way.

Rick Godwin, like many others, divorced unbiblically because *ANY* divorce out of a covenant marriage is unbiblical!

But he continues to allow wicked, evil, divorced and remarried adulterers to not only find sanctuary in his church, but he also promotes them to high positions. What a weasel and false teacher...
Francesca

UK

#56 Jul 22, 2012
What is marriage in the sight of God and becoming one flesh?
sarah

South Africa

#57 Sep 6, 2012
My question is if one is married in the flesh then did God join them together? Or r they just trapped and in bondage..In the old testiment they were commanded Israel OT (the people of God) to divorce their unbelieving spouse (foreign nations) because their spouse was infact leading them away from the purposes of God.Ezra 9-10 In the time Ezra when some Jews had contracevened the Law of Moses by marrying women from surrounding Gentile Nations,Ezra not only permitted them to divorce their wives he actually demanded that they do so.
ashamed

Hudson, FL

#58 Mar 27, 2013
All you have to do is google Shannon Ramsey and you wil find that she is a drug addict who is currently on probation for 2 counts of OBT.SUB BY FRAUD OR ATT.



ashamed

Hudson, FL

#59 Mar 27, 2013
ANON wrote:
Shannon was Jail for fraud. And she put her own kid up for adoption.
Just curious do you know Shannon personally? I do unfortuantely. SHannon has been a drug addict for the 15 years that I have known her and i am sure much longer. She used to till prescribed meds from my medicine cabinet.
Covenant Warrior

Bartlesville, OK

#60 May 1, 2013
sarah wrote:
My question is if one is married in the flesh then did God join them together? Or r they just trapped and in bondage..In the old testiment they were commanded Israel OT (the people of God) to divorce their unbelieving spouse (foreign nations) because their spouse was infact leading them away from the purposes of God.Ezra 9-10 In the time Ezra when some Jews had contracevened the Law of Moses by marrying women from surrounding Gentile Nations,Ezra not only permitted them to divorce their wives he actually demanded that they do so.
Does it matter? Who do you believe, Moses or Jesus Christ? Jesus gives *NO* allowance for divorce out of a covenant marriage. His only "exception" speaks to the Jewish Betrothal (Mary and Joseph in Matthew 1) and has no application to a one flesh marriage. Ecclesiastes commands that you pay what you have vowed.
Paul, a Rabbi before becoming Christian, gives *NO* allowance for divorce and remarriage. He says multiple places that you are bound for life (Romans 7, 1 Cor 7, etc.). Galatians 3:15 also explains that a covenant once ratified cannot be altered or set aside.
In Mal 2 the man who divorced his wife was called violent and was still her husband. "For she is still the wife of thy youth, the wife of thy marriage vows."
God also said, after his "divorce" from Israel, "I am still married to you." He did not remarry. He remained faithful just as Hosea was faithful to Gomer despite her harlotry.
Stop straining gnats. The OT is parable any way. As Jesus said, "They (the law and the prophets) testify of me."
pally

Kerrville, TX

#61 May 19, 2013
Rick and his wife were our neighbors for years. They were sweet, courteous and minded their own business. As far as his leadership goes and Eagle's Nest, as I recall we have FREEDOM OF RELIGION. It is up to each individual to research the church and leadership. I don't condone the actions but if the members do not like it, there is no rule they have to attend the fellowship.

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