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Salem, MO

#83 Oct 8, 2012
Its sad how most of you think. Lots of people on assistant work their asses off and need a lil more help. Lots of people did work and got laid off or lost their jobs. There are people who make everyone else look bad but not everyone uses their assistance on stupid stuff or sits on their ass all day. I get so tired of people saying my tax dollars pay for this and that.I hope one day most of you can be down on luck and have to be on it.

FYI im not on assistance I just have a heart unlike most of you.
killa

Rolla, MO

#84 Oct 8, 2012
really wrote:
Its sad how most of you think. Lots of people on assistant work their asses off and need a lil more help. Lots of people did work and got laid off or lost their jobs. There are people who make everyone else look bad but not everyone uses their assistance on stupid stuff or sits on their ass all day. I get so tired of people saying my tax dollars pay for this and that.I hope one day most of you can be down on luck and have to be on it.

FYI im not on assistance I just have a heart unlike most of you.
Awwww... Everyone look at the big heart on really. Really even wishes us all to be on assistance. What a great person.
Gobama

Rolla, MO

#85 Oct 8, 2012
killa wrote:
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Well then you should be able to find a single source if its a known fact. The fact is, either there is no evidence, or you aren't capable of finding it.
It is what they did, that was the job discription for bain(kind of like pepsico making pepsi) and I will not be sighting sources for pepsi either, but on a side topix who do you concider "a trusted source" and please do not say fox new, because then we will all know you are slightly retarded.
Gobama

Rolla, MO

#86 Oct 8, 2012
During the nearly 15 years that Romney was actively involved in running Bain, a private equity firm that he founded, it owned companies that were pioneers in the practice of shipping work from the United States to overseas call centers and factories making computer components, according to filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

"Securities and Exchange Commission" About as reliable as it gets,and it was Bain that reported it, not someone else. go to the Securities and Exchange Commission website and read what Bain had to say about their self.
killa

Rolla, MO

#87 Oct 8, 2012
Gobama wrote:
<quoted text>It is what they did, that was the job discription for bain(kind of like pepsico making pepsi) and I will not be sighting sources for pepsi either, but on a side topix who do you concider "a trusted source" and please do not say fox new, because then we will all know you are slightly retarded.
Read CB's post. It was like pulling teeth, but he eventually was able to look up something. And I accept CB's claim now that Bain sent some jobs overseas (indirectly).

My last post asked the question, assuming jobs overseas is a bad thing, how many total jobs did Bain create in the US? Because I'm willing to bet, Bain created FAR more jobs in the US than were ever exported. And that compared to Obama's record of job killing, this whole debate is a joke.

Credible sources are raw numbers. You say a job has been exported? I want to see an annual report indicating that. I let CB off the hook on that level of proof because he at least tried to back up his statement.
killa

Rolla, MO

#88 Oct 8, 2012
Gobama wrote:
During the nearly 15 years that Romney was actively involved in running Bain, a private equity firm that he founded, it owned companies that were pioneers in the practice of shipping work from the United States to overseas call centers and factories making computer components, according to filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

"Securities and Exchange Commission" About as reliable as it gets,and it was Bain that reported it, not someone else. go to the Securities and Exchange Commission website and read what Bain had to say about their self.
And they also helped to create thousands of US jobs. What's your point? Or are you just xenophobic?
GObama

Rolla, MO

#89 Oct 8, 2012
killa wrote:
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And they also helped to create thousands of US jobs. What's your point? Or are you just xenophobic?
No, just helping out the less fortunate like yourself, you are not smart enough to look this stuff up so I did it for you because you claimed Bain did not do these things until someone taught you that they did, well thank me for doing what you are incapable of, and that would be source checking and proving Bain to be a out sourcer of jobs. I see you are flipping your argument now to how Bain created jobs and that outsourcing jobs has nothing to do with your argument. In your first argument you said nothing about creating jobs,'Bain didn't outsource jobs until someone shows you from a real source that they did' was your argument.

“I'm right”

Since: Oct 12

Rolla, MO

#90 Oct 8, 2012
GObama wrote:
<quoted text>No, just helping out the less fortunate like yourself, you are not smart enough to look this stuff up so I did it for you because you claimed Bain did not do these things until someone taught you that they did, well thank me for doing what you are incapable of, and that would be source checking and proving Bain to be a out sourcer of jobs. I see you are flipping your argument now to how Bain created jobs and that outsourcing jobs has nothing to do with your argument. In your first argument you said nothing about creating jobs,'Bain didn't outsource jobs until someone shows you from a real source that they did' was your argument.
I didn't make any claims. I simply asked CB to back up his claim that their was outsourcing. There are tens of thousands of investable companies. I admit, I don't know every one that has outsourced, so I requested a source. Everything is false until proven true, and CB refused to provide anything close to proof originally.

You didn't do anything. Unless you are also CB.

“I'm right”

Since: Oct 12

Rolla, MO

#91 Oct 8, 2012
Now that we've finally established that you have a claim, it's time to back up the idea that Bain was a negative to this economy. You may not like where this is going, but its your claim and therefore your burden of proof.
GObama

Rolla, MO

#92 Oct 8, 2012
killa wrote:
<quoted text>
Read CB's post. It was like pulling teeth, but he eventually was able to look up something. And I accept CB's claim now that Bain sent some jobs overseas (indirectly).
My last post asked the question, assuming jobs overseas is a bad thing, how many total jobs did Bain create in the US? Because I'm willing to bet, Bain created FAR more jobs in the US than were ever exported. And that compared to Obama's record of job killing, this whole debate is a joke.
Credible sources are raw numbers. You say a job has been exported? I want to see an annual report indicating that. I let CB off the hook on that level of proof because he at least tried to back up his statement.
I agree, show me a report that says Obama, had direct dealing with a company that was told by him to outsource jobs somewhere else. Also show me where Bain "in its entire life" created more jobs then Obama saved when the rich bastards of the country crashed the market so they could get rich and he had to bail them out. Oh and Bain got a bail out too. I dont have a problem with big companys making profits, but I do have a problem when they are making profits for the private sector and taking bail outs from the public sector.

“I'm right”

Since: Oct 12

Rolla, MO

#93 Oct 8, 2012
GObama wrote:
<quoted text>I agree, show me a report that says Obama, had direct dealing with a company that was told by him to outsource jobs somewhere else. Also show me where Bain "in its entire life" created more jobs then Obama saved when the rich bastards of the country crashed the market so they could get rich and he had to bail them out. Oh and Bain got a bail out too. I dont have a problem with big companys making profits, but I do have a problem when they are making profits for the private sector and taking bail outs from the public sector.
You are setting me up... Thanks!

-$2.4 billion stimulus program to support battery production. Nearly half was sent to foreign firms.
-$880 million to foreign firms in clean energy manufacturing credits.
-over half of $8.5 billion in grants for wind farms went overseas. Wind energy industry ended up losing 10k jobs last year.
-Spanish company Abengoa took $2.7 billion in loan guarantees
-Solar panel companies are choosing to import their products.
-Swiss based Landis+Gyr received $50 million in stimulus contracts.
-North Carolina based LED Maker Cree received $39 million in stimulus. Over half their employees are now located in China.
-Sempra receives $337 million in loan guarantees and will be supplied by SunTech, a Chinese solar panel manufacturer.
-GE cancels order from ATI to get cheaper parts from China. 302 workers laid off.
-Fisker gets $500 million in loan guarantees and ends up producing their luxury electric cars in Finland.

I have lots more. Do you want me to go on? Obama makes Bain look like a outsourcing piker!

“I'm right”

Since: Oct 12

Rolla, MO

#94 Oct 8, 2012
GObama wrote:
<quoted text>I agree, show me a report that says Obama, had direct dealing with a company that was told by him to outsource jobs somewhere else. Also show me where Bain "in its entire life" created more jobs then Obama saved when the rich bastards of the country crashed the market so they could get rich and he had to bail them out. Oh and Bain got a bail out too. I dont have a problem with big companys making profits, but I do have a problem when they are making profits for the private sector and taking bail outs from the public sector.
I don't like bailouts either on so many levels. But it's liberals that are bailing themselves out with out money. A true conservative would never bail out a failure.(And don't tell me Bush because he was miles away from being conservative)
GObama

Rolla, MO

#95 Oct 8, 2012
killa_the_compassionate wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't like bailouts either on so many levels. But it's liberals that are bailing themselves out with out money. A true conservative would never bail out a failure.(And don't tell me Bush because he was miles away from being conservative)
Bush is miles away from being a dem too, that does not excuse the repub party for putting him in office, also I see where the money went, but I do not see where you have facts and back them up with sources on Obama sending jobs overseas, you do realize that Obama does not hold the check book for the bail out, that was left up to the senate and others.

still waiting...

“I'm right”

Since: Oct 12

Rolla, MO

#96 Oct 8, 2012
GObama wrote:
<quoted text>Bush is miles away from being a dem too, that does not excuse the repub party for putting him in office, also I see where the money went, but I do not see where you have facts and back them up with sources on Obama sending jobs overseas, you do realize that Obama does not hold the check book for the bail out, that was left up to the senate and others.

still waiting...
So the president isn't responsible for the bailouts he signed? That's your strategy?
GObama

Rolla, MO

#97 Oct 9, 2012
sorry man I dont have time to explain to you how the government works, and if you expect me to then we can abandon this topix, also where is your proof? facts and sources please......still waiting

“I'm right”

Since: Oct 12

Rolla, MO

#98 Oct 9, 2012
GObama wrote:
sorry man I dont have time to explain to you how the government works, and if you expect me to then we can abandon this topix, also where is your proof? facts and sources please......still waiting
So now you want to abandon your argument that Obama is not outsourcing because you ran out of time? I can prove anything you'd like me to when we finish this debate. You are so busy, I don't want to overburden you.

When you do get some time, You will have to explain to me how Obama is not responsible for signing the bailouts. His signature is worth 1/6 of the entire congress as it would require 2/3 of the congress to overcome that signature.
GObama

Rolla, MO

#99 Oct 9, 2012
killa_the_compassionate wrote:
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So now you want to abandon your argument that Obama is not outsourcing because you ran out of time? I can prove anything you'd like me to when we finish this debate. You are so busy, I don't want to overburden you.
When you do get some time, You will have to explain to me how Obama is not responsible for signing the bailouts. His signature is worth 1/6 of the entire congress as it would require 2/3 of the congress to overcome that signature.
NO NO I didn't abandon the argument, you failed to produce facts and source, I really didn't think you could so I didn't get my hopes up, its funny that when someone asks you to produce facts and sources that are trusted you can't but you expect others to, seems all you have are your opinions and nothing more.
I win, you failed
also are you talking about the bailout Bush put in place and Obama continued?
"When you do get some time, You will have to explain to me how Obama is not responsible for signing the bailouts" that wasn't even close to the argument we are having and you are still losing.
we are at the point that you need to produce "facts and sources from a trusted outlet that Obama told someone to outsource jobs or did it himself before we continue, I did it for you and you need to do the same, if you can't you are just a douch with an opinion.

“I'm right”

Since: Oct 12

Rolla, MO

#100 Oct 9, 2012
GObama wrote:
<quoted text>NO NO I didn't abandon the argument, you failed to produce facts and source, I really didn't think you could so I didn't get my hopes up, its funny that when someone asks you to produce facts and sources that are trusted you can't but you expect others to, seems all you have are your opinions and nothing more.
I win, you failed
also are you talking about the bailout Bush put in place and Obama continued?
"When you do get some time, You will have to explain to me how Obama is not responsible for signing the bailouts" that wasn't even close to the argument we are having and you are still losing.
we are at the point that you need to produce "facts and sources from a trusted outlet that Obama told someone to outsource jobs or did it himself before we continue, I did it for you and you need to do the same, if you can't you are just a douch with an opinion.
We have to do this in order tiger. You have already tried to discredit any proof I will give you by saying Obama would not be responsible. So if I now produce proof, you will go back to this argument. Therefore, we must first establish that Obama would be responsible if I can prove bailouts went overseas.

So again I ask you, how is Obama not responsible for the bailouts he signs? What am I not understanding about the way our system works?
GObama

Rolla, MO

#101 Oct 9, 2012
killa_the_compassionate wrote:
<quoted text>
We have to do this in order tiger. You have already tried to discredit any proof I will give you by saying Obama would not be responsible. So if I now produce proof, you will go back to this argument. Therefore, we must first establish that Obama would be responsible if I can prove bailouts went overseas.
So again I ask you, how is Obama not responsible for the bailouts he signs? What am I not understanding about the way our system works?
The problem with the way you argue is you want others to provide proof, but you do not show them the same courtesy, first and formost show me how giving money to both the USA and other countrys made Obama tell someone to outsource jobs? Was the outsourced jobs contingent on the government giving money to the employer so he didn't bankrupt? it seems we are arguing the same point, we both agree we didn't like the bailout but you say that if we are going to have a bailout then it should go to people you pick insted of who the powers that be choose. Yes Obama did sign a stimulus package that stopped the GDP from dropping farther, thank god or we would have even higher unemplyment. But I will tell you this, if we had let the banks fail we would not be talking with each other over the internet because we would not have it, or electric to the majority. It was the lesser of two evils.

But I digress, Please tell me how Obama not giving welfare to some employers outsource jobs? if they can't make it on thier own then we dont need them at all, isn't that how all this started, you bad mouthing people that need government assistance?

“I'm right”

Since: Oct 12

Rolla, MO

#102 Oct 9, 2012
GObama wrote:
<quoted text>The problem with the way you argue is you want others to provide proof, but you do not show them the same courtesy, first and formost show me how giving money to both the USA and other countrys made Obama tell someone to outsource jobs? Was the outsourced jobs contingent on the government giving money to the employer so he didn't bankrupt? it seems we are arguing the same point, we both agree we didn't like the bailout but you say that if we are going to have a bailout then it should go to people you pick insted of who the powers that be choose. Yes Obama did sign a stimulus package that stopped the GDP from dropping farther, thank god or we would have even higher unemplyment. But I will tell you this, if we had let the banks fail we would not be talking with each other over the internet because we would not have it, or electric to the majority. It was the lesser of two evils.

But I digress, Please tell me how Obama not giving welfare to some employers outsource jobs? if they can't make it on thier own then we dont need them at all, isn't that how all this started, you bad mouthing people that need government assistance?
I'm the only one here that consistently provides proof. CB is the only lib to date that I recall providing something resembling evidence. You seem unable to process the concept that my providing proof would do nothing because you attacked the premise. Therefore, we have to be sure the premise is sound first. I want you to read this paragraph twice because it doesn't seem to be sinking in. Proof is meaningless until we are proving a fact we both accept.

When Obama taxes away our money, he is then responsible for how it's spent. Would you be okay if he decided to pocket all that money? What if he bought a billion Toyota's with all that money? What if he burned it? He takes full responsibility where all that money goes. Just like I take full responsibility for where my money is spent. Just like a business operator takes full responsibility for where his money is spent. Why should the government be held to a lesser standard than businesses or individuals?

My position is no bailout, no matter what. I'll pontificate on the stupidity of bailouts in another thread later because you are waffling on it and I know there are others that need a good lesson on bailouts. I think he is guilty of bailouts and doubley guilty because a lot of that money was given away to other countries.

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