Mo CCW misinformation
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MOGunny

Belton, MO

#26 Feb 14, 2013
Linda wrote:
Ron Dishman is going to start trying to teach people on how too fire a BB gun.
While your probably trying to diss Ron Dishman. You should realize this is a very good and proper teaching technique for someone who has issues with shooting a firearm and is anticipating recoil.
I usually prefer to go down to a 22lr if possible, but I have had students where it was necessary to go to the BB/pellet gun (if needed) for them to master proper safety, technique, and trigger control. And then moving them to a larger caliber when ready.
The students ability/needs comes first, not their or their instructors ego.
sassygirl

Rolla, MO

#27 Feb 14, 2013
Hiredgun wrote:
Who around rolla offers the ccw class that is and has the knowledge in what they are teaching? I dont want someone that is just doing it for the money.
email [email protected]
CCWCERTIFIED007

Plattsburg, MO

#28 Feb 14, 2013
Pianoz4u wrote:
Gunny; I heard that Rick Lisenbe teaches and certicies CCW. Any thoughts on the Sheriff?
Yes, he does teach the CCW class and he is the biggest piece of SH!T there is. He is nothing but a corrupt SON OF A B!TCH and an absolute worthless so called Sheriff, a total waste of taxpayers money!! I would recommend finding someone else to take the class from.
Not at school

Rolla, MO

#29 Feb 15, 2013
Gunny wrote:
Last evening I had responded to a poster on the "gerttys" topic, the poster seemed to be misinformed when he said it was illegal to carry a firearm into a bar with a CCW permit. I am not sure what happened to the topic, I am guessing the moderators removed it for some reason.
The only 2 places it is illegal to carry a weapon, by a MO CCW permit holder in the state of Missouri is a FEDERAL government owned building (example: post office) and a bus/metrolink in St. Louis.
Any other place has to ask you to leave, and you have to refuse before the police are summonded, for it to even be an infraction (subject to fine and possible suspension of licensce). If you comply to the request to leave, no law has been broken, no infraction has occured. This includes schools, banks, restaurants that serve alcohol, bars, church any place that has a legal size "no gun signs". Any place other than those mentioned in the 2nd paragraph of this post.
Any CCW instructor who teaches otherwise needs a refresher course him or herself on MRSO 571 statutes, or is interpreting the law for what they WISH it to be instead of what it actually is.
I do not recommend guns and alcohol from a personal opinion stand point. If I am going to drink I prefer to stay home and do so. But if I choose to go out to eat (example:Applebees) and possibly have a couple beers (example: insert the name of your favorite drinking establishment HERE) you are legal to do so armed, providing ofcourse you have a Mo CCW permit.
As of August 28 2010 it is no longer against the law to be intoxicated and in posession of a firearm under Mo law, UNLESS you are INTOXICATED and discharge/brandish such weapon in a NEGLEGANT AND UNLAWFUL MANNER. Intoxicated and defending oneself in a lawful manner (self defense) does not qualify as BOTH things need to happen for it to be illegal.
Concealed means concealed. If you are doing it right no one will know. And Mo lawmakers have provided for your rights to self defense IF someone would become aware of your decision to protect yourself.
Sorry, but carrying a gun on school grounds is a federal offense. Technically speaking, a police officer not in uniform can't carry one on school grounds. Crazy I know, but true.
MOGunny

Belton, MO

#30 Feb 15, 2013
Not at school wrote:
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Sorry, but carrying a gun on school grounds is a federal offense. Technically speaking, a police officer not in uniform can't carry one on school grounds. Crazy I know, but true.
This is from USCC 18 section 922 section 2, sub-section A.---- then exemptions in in sub-section B. and then the ii exemption, there are more, but this is the one pertaining to what you are incorrect about, It changed in 1995 with a US supreme court ruling.

(2)(A) It shall be unlawful for any individual knowingly to
possess a firearm that has moved in or that otherwise affects
interstate or foreign commerce at a place that the individual
knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone.
(B) Subparagraph (A) does not apply to the possession of a
firearm -

(ii) if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do
so by the State in which the school zone is located or a
political subdivision of the State, and the law of the State or political subdivision requires that, before an individual obtains such a license, the law enforcement authorities of the State or political subdivision verify that the individual is qualified under law to receive the license;

So,,, a Missouri resident with a Missouri CCW endorsement is EXEMPT from the federal gun free school zone law, in reguard to schools located within the boundries of the state of Missouri.

A school is one of the 17 places where your MO CCW endorsement does not AUTHORIZE you to carry, BUT it is not a criminal infraction to do so by MO or FEDERAL law.
MOGunny

Belton, MO

#31 Feb 15, 2013
Not at school wrote:
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Sorry, but carrying a gun on school grounds is a federal offense. Technically speaking, a police officer not in uniform can't carry one on school grounds. Crazy I know, but true.
There is a bill in the Missouri house right now that would make it ILLEGAL for a school district to fire an staff member of a school for carrying a personal defense firearm as long as that staff member has their Mo CCW endorsement.

Think about it. HOW would this proposed law be possible, if the CCW endorsement holder was NOT exempt from the federal gun free school zone laws?

ANSWER: Because it is not illegal for them to carry now. And if this bill passes it will protect them from losing their jobs because of it, as well.
There are a few school districts in Mo where they allow the staff to carry already. And no I will not post the names of the schools.
Well

Rolla, MO

#32 Feb 16, 2013
MOGunny wrote:
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There is a bill in the Missouri house right now that would make it ILLEGAL for a school district to fire an staff member of a school for carrying a personal defense firearm as long as that staff member has their Mo CCW endorsement.
Think about it. HOW would this proposed law be possible, if the CCW endorsement holder was NOT exempt from the federal gun free school zone laws?
ANSWER: Because it is not illegal for them to carry now. And if this bill passes it will protect them from losing their jobs because of it, as well.
There are a few school districts in Mo where they allow the staff to carry already. And no I will not post the names of the schools.
Did some research and I was wrong, thanks for the info, but if a school puts a sign at the door "no weapons allowed" then the weapon would not be allowed, right?
MOGunny

Belton, MO

#33 Feb 17, 2013
Well wrote:
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Did some research and I was wrong, thanks for the info, but if a school puts a sign at the door "no weapons allowed" then the weapon would not be allowed, right?
Not exactly, signs would be considered one of the 17 places where your permit does not authorize you to carry, but is not a criminal infraction. So signs carry no force of law.
When the legislature adressed the posting of ---no gun signs--- it became necessary for them to adress what would constitue a legal sign (11 x 14 inches with at least 1 inch letters) but they carry no force of law, UNLESS you are asked to leave and refuse to do so. This infraction would not be considered a weapons offense, it would basically be a tresspassing charge.

The only places in the state of MO completely off limits is/are FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PROPERTY, examples would be post office, social security office federal reserve banks, all of these include the parking lots. The other is public transportation buses up to and including the metrolink in St louis. School buses do not qualify,(they usually only transport enrolled students and staff).

As long as one does not transverse one of the 2 types places that are truely off limits, and does not refuse to leave, if asked to do so every place else, THEY ARE GOOD TO GO.

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