Protocols of Zion
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christianpatriot

Rolla, MO

#1 Mar 19, 2013
I did not know anything about that book but I listened to some of it. Some heavy stuff and not politically correct. I can see why certain groups would not want people to hear it.
One interesting chapter explains the creative
use of language and words to engineer social opinion, like in my psychology textbook.
For instance, Native Americans have been incorrectly identified as Indians for over 500 years. Jews are incorrectly called a race and not a religious sect. The word "apocalypse" means "to uncover"
(Goyim, or Gentile) means "nations". "Enhanced interrogation" means "torture". When somebody can coin terms or add definitions to words, they can mold history.
Old time democrat

Warrensburg, MO

#2 Mar 19, 2013
christianpatriot wrote:
I did not know anything about that book but I listened to some of it. Some heavy stuff and not politically correct. I can see why certain groups would not want people to hear it.
One interesting chapter explains the creative
use of language and words to engineer social opinion, like in my psychology textbook.
For instance, Native Americans have been incorrectly identified as Indians for over 500 years. Jews are incorrectly called a race and not a religious sect. The word "apocalypse" means "to uncover"
(Goyim, or Gentile) means "nations". "Enhanced interrogation" means "torture". When somebody can coin terms or add definitions to words, they can mold history.
You believe everything the book says ?
christianpatriot

Rolla, MO

#3 Mar 19, 2013
I have not read/listened to the entire book yet, but I see proof of what was written. Of course one must corroborate the writing with other works and history itself. Since the work was written at the turn of the century, most of the goals have already been achieved. According to Henry Kissinger s' book "Diplomacy" the New World Order is within the next ten years. He gives credit to both Republican and Democratic administrations as they brought the goals into existence throughout the last 100 years.
The Jewish State, Communism, fiat currency, the centralization of finance,the United Nations, International Justice Courts, control of media, education, food production,transportation, and religion have already been realized. Now they are turning on the citizens as potential enemies of the state through the Dept. of Homeland Security. All these were outlined in the Protocols. That is an impressive foretelling of the present time for a book written 100 years ago.
ExFLWsoldier88M

United States

#4 Mar 19, 2013
christianpatriot wrote:
I did not know anything about that book but I listened to some of it. Some heavy stuff and not politically correct. I can see why certain groups would not want people to hear it.
One interesting chapter explains the creative
use of language and words to engineer social opinion, like in my psychology textbook.
For instance, Native Americans have been incorrectly identified as Indians for over 500 years. Jews are incorrectly called a race and not a religious sect. The word "apocalypse" means "to uncover"
(Goyim, or Gentile) means "nations". "Enhanced interrogation" means "torture". When somebody can coin terms or add definitions to words, they can mold history.
The Protocols were a plagiarism of the 19th century French pamphlet "Dialogues in Hell between Machiavelli and Montesquieu" A Russian priest named Sergei Nilus took material from the Dialogues and made it appear like some Zionist conspiracy, hence the myth of a "Zionist conspiracy" was born.

As for terminology and political correctness, the original term is politicheskaya pravil'nost'(strict literal translation, political truthfulness) which was born in the 1920s Soviet Union, an obvious anti-Zionist entity. If you see what Hollywood is churning out today and compare it with Soviet-era films, you can see the stark similarity and can see Hollywood's Socialist Realism. I took a course about Soviet-era culture when I was in college and it opened my eyes to how America has transformed after the collapse of the Soviet Union. We defeated the external Communists in the Cold War only to find the Communist bomb ticking in America and still ticking to this day.
selfhater

Rolla, MO

#5 Mar 19, 2013
There is no Zionist conspiracy. The Zionist doctrine is open for any person who cares to look. It is no secret the goal of Zionism is to govern the world with the doctrines detailed in the Babylonian Talmud from the city of Jerusalem. The doctrines can be found on most Jewish websites like Judaism 101. It is no secret they hate Jesus and believe followers of Jesus should be exterminated.
It is repeated often that the Protocols are a plagiarism. They are not called a forgery. The names are different but the idea is the same.
The scriptures Zionists quote from the Old Testament are not referring to the Jewish People, but rather the entire house of Israel. The difference between Jews and Israel can be found in the books of 1&2 Kings and 1&2Chronicles. According to the words of Jesus recorded in the book of Revelation, the (Zionists) say they are Jews but do lie, but are the synagogue of Satan. not
Unbelievable

Rolla, MO

#6 Mar 19, 2013
selfhater wrote:
There is no Zionist conspiracy. The Zionist doctrine is open for any person who cares to look. It is no secret the goal of Zionism is to govern the world with the doctrines detailed in the Babylonian Talmud from the city of Jerusalem. The doctrines can be found on most Jewish websites like Judaism 101. It is no secret they hate Jesus and believe followers of Jesus should be exterminated.
It is repeated often that the Protocols are a plagiarism. They are not called a forgery. The names are different but the idea is the same.
The scriptures Zionists quote from the Old Testament are not referring to the Jewish People, but rather the entire house of Israel. The difference between Jews and Israel can be found in the books of 1&2 Kings and 1&2Chronicles. According to the words of Jesus recorded in the book of Revelation, the (Zionists) say they are Jews but do lie, but are the synagogue of Satan. not
How can you believe that garbage? Do you actually know any Jewish people?
believable

Rolla, MO

#7 Mar 20, 2013
So why are Jews distrusted? Why have they been expelled from every country throughout history? Because they are good and everyone else is evil? Maybe you could look up these subjects and see for yourself. Maybe you should start with "why do people distrust Jews?"
Adolf

Rolla, MO

#8 Mar 20, 2013
believable wrote:
So why are Jews distrusted? Why have they been expelled from every country throughout history? Because they are good and everyone else is evil? Maybe you could look up these subjects and see for yourself. Maybe you should start with "why do people distrust Jews?"
Let's round them all up and put them in FEMA camps!
interesting

Jefferson City, MO

#9 Mar 20, 2013
Great discussion! Lets keep it real and maybe everyone can learn something, and hopefully all the uneducated idiots with nothing to say, like Adolf above will remain quiet. After all Adolf its better to remain silent and thought a fool, then to speak up and remove all doubt.....
WWJD

Jefferson City, MO

#10 Mar 20, 2013
Finally a decent topic!! Pinch me!
quantum church

Rolla, MO

#11 Mar 20, 2013
These are some of the beliefs of QC:
Perfect love is the keeping of the Ten Commandments
Sin is defined as the falling short of these 10
Everyone sins
The Israelis are not the Israel of the bible, but are a counterfeit claiming the promises that really belong to the Israel of God. The true Israel has Jesus Christ as king already.
Jesus Christ will return visibly after the time
of great trouble the antichrist government brings.
The antichrist government is the New World Order.
Zionist Judaism is the antichrist kingdom.
Any support of the nation state of Israel is support to Antichrist government.
At his return, Jesus Christ will take control of all governments by force and will forever be King.
Although the "Protocols" are not to be used as proof texts equal with scripture, most of the agenda has proved accurate.
Prove it

Rolla, MO

#12 Mar 20, 2013
quantum church wrote:

Although the "Protocols" are not to be used as proof texts equal with scripture, most of the agenda has proved accurate.
So, where's your proof?
quantum church

Rolla, MO

#13 Mar 20, 2013
To which protocol are you referring? These goals have been attained: International Justice Court, United Nations, World Bank, IMF, Fiat currency, Dept of Homeland Security, United Council of Churches, TSA, Media Control, Communism, Hate Crime Legislation, SPLC, AIPAC, ADL, CUFI, Agenda 21, Dept of Education (theory of evolution), and of course, the establishment of the Zionist State.
If you would like to address a specific chapter, please ask.
The QC has no mission to "convert". QC has the duty to warn and teach Gods people. QC is not about any specific subject, there are many questions people have about the bible. All of them are important to the QC. QC loves all people, no matter what color, religion, gender, political ideology,sexual preference,etc.
We recognize the truth that all have fallen short so we let God do the judging.
We do not try to "save" people, so if someone is not interested, that is OK
We never ask for money. Ever. Our God doesn't need any money, nor do we.
Curious

Jefferson City, MO

#14 Mar 20, 2013
So tell me QC do you believe in the virgin birth of Jesus?
Or that he rose from the dead? Or
That the earth is 6000 yrs old?
Prove it

Rolla, MO

#15 Mar 20, 2013
All you've done is given a list of things you claim proves your belief. How, exactly, are any of these things PROOF of a Zionist plot to control the world?
quantum church

Rolla, MO

#16 Mar 20, 2013
The scriptures are clear on the virgin birth of Jesus. One of the signs of the genuine messiah. If Jesus did not rise from the dead, I won't either, and my life is nothing but a waste of dirt. Now the earth being 6000 years old? Between Gen 1:1&2 there could have been much more time that is not recorded.(the word 'was' can mean 'became'). So that is no problem for me either way.
The time since 'the' Adam was created in the likeness of God, and people started farming, writing, building cities, and keeping records seems to be about 6000 years.
As far as claims and proof of a Zionist plot, there is (my opinion!) the bible. The Talmud, the rabbinical writings, the laws and institutions mentioned long before the event and the fact that the Jewish Nation state of Israel even exists proves the agenda. You may know already, but the religion of Judaism is awaiting its Messiah, but the Messiah is a man. He is described in detail on any Jewish information website or the rabbinical writings.
I could be wrong, but something tells me you have never read the Protocols. No other book but the bible is the authority so we can't preach the Protocols as par with scripture, but we recommend everyone to learn about the teachings of Judaism and the Protocols.(after reading the Bible) Then look around and see how many things have come to pass. Very interesting predictions are yet to be seen. QC loves everyone, regardless of opinion on the Protocols. There are way more important issues that join instead of divide Gods people. Peace and thank you.
Curious wrote:
So tell me QC do you believe in the virgin birth of Jesus?
Or that he rose from the dead? Or
That the earth is 6000 yrs old?
Curious

Jefferson City, MO

#17 Mar 20, 2013
PAUL SAID, "God is not the author of confusion," (I Corinthians 14:33), yet never has a book produced more confusion than the bible! There are hundreds of denominations and sects, all using the "inspired Scriptures" to prove their conflicting doctrines.

Why do trained theologians differ? Why do educated translators disagree over Greek and Hebrew meanings? Why all the confusion? Shouldn't a document that was "divinely inspired" by an omniscient and omnipotent deity be as clear as possible?

"If the trumpet give an uncertain sound," Paul wrote in I Corinthians 14:8, "who shall prepare himself to the battle? So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air." Exactly! Paul should have practiced what he preached. For almost two millennia, the bible has been producing a most "uncertain sound."

The problem is not with human limitations, as some claim. The problem is the bible itself. People who are free of theological bias notice that the bible contains hundreds of discrepancies. Should it surprise us when such a literary and moral mish-mash, taken seriously, causes so much discord?
Prove it

Rolla, MO

#18 Mar 20, 2013
quantum church wrote:
As far as claims and proof of a Zionist plot, there is (my opinion!) the bible. <quoted text>
What version are you reading?
quantum church

Rolla, MO

#19 Mar 20, 2013
I personally use a KJV.
A military intelligence document from 1919, Declassified in 1973 regarding the Protocols may be interesting reading.
There is a letter from Karl Marx to Baruch Levy, part of it quoted in the June 28,1928 page 524 Review de Paris that is also worthy of note concerning Zionist Agenda.
Check them out and let me know what you think.
Get Real

Jefferson City, MO

#20 Mar 20, 2013
Protocols: what is it - fact or fiction?

The earliest copies were apparently written in French. It is generally believed that a copy of the Protocols was in circulation as early as 1884, a full 13 years before the Basle congress.

The most damning evidence against the document being authentic is that modern scholars have proved that the Protocols was based in part on a satirical attack on the French Emperor Napoleon III by Maurice Joly, written and printed in Geneva in 1864.

The pamphlet was titled Dialogues from Hell between Machiavelli and Montesquieu.

In 1868 the German Hermann Goedsche, writing under the pseudonym Sir John Radcliffe, adapted Joly's pamphlet and turned it into a mythical tale of a Jewish conspiracy as part of a series of novels entitled Biarritz.

In it he writes of a secret centennial rabbinical conference which meets at midnight and whose purpose is to review the past 100 years and to plan the next century.

These two documents - the pamphlet and the novel - were later reworked into a document titled the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which was taken to Russia in 1895 and printed privately in 1897.

Throughout its history it has been used in the cause of anti-semitism and forms an integral part of a long history of the demonisation of Judaism and Jews.

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