Is "Liquid Fire honestly used in meth?

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Bridget

Kingsport, TN

#1 Sep 25, 2010
Someone had told me on yesterday that you have to sign for liquid fire now. What is liquid fire and what is it's purpose? Can anyone fill me in on this subject? Thanks.
Observer

Kingsport, TN

#2 Sep 25, 2010
I never heard of Liquid Fire, but I just googled it and it's a sulfuric acid based drain cleaner.

Well they say they use battery acid which is also sulfuric acid. Are they requiring ID to buy car batteries now as well?

How far is this going to go? Seems like we'll need to show ID to buy anything. I heard that even plastic sandwich bags are suspect now since dealers use them for pot. Seriously though, most people buy sandwich bags for sandwiches for their kids lunches. The paranoia about drugs and overreaching policies are destroying this country. We can fight drugs without taking away everyone's freedom and making this a surveillance state.
Bridget

Kingsport, TN

#3 Sep 25, 2010
From my understanding, my friend Marty had gone to the co-op to by liquid fire to remove something in her drain and only to find out she had to sign in order to buy it. She was told that it was used in the meth process just like the product Drano.There is a new method of making meth now. It can be totally processed in as little as 10 minutes. Before you know it we will be sighning for toilet paper or go back to the Sear's Catalog and maybe even the old corn cobb from the corncrib.Get real. This is reality.The liquid fire even has a skull with a big X on it. Our prayer needs to be that God leads and guides our children far from these monsters that are living in our back doors.We can't watch our children constantly but God can. So pray that our children choose a different path than these meth people have chosen.Their are many, many, many, broken hearted parents whose children have fallen victims to this drug and they need to be prayed for as well.
Please Understand

Kingsport, TN

#4 Sep 25, 2010
Bridget wrote:
From my understanding, my friend Marty had gone to the co-op to by liquid fire to remove something in her drain and only to find out she had to sign in order to buy it. She was told that it was used in the meth process just like the product Drano.There is a new method of making meth now. It can be totally processed in as little as 10 minutes. Before you know it we will be sighning for toilet paper or go back to the Sear's Catalog and maybe even the old corn cobb from the corncrib.Get real. This is reality.The liquid fire even has a skull with a big X on it. Our prayer needs to be that God leads and guides our children far from these monsters that are living in our back doors.We can't watch our children constantly but God can. So pray that our children choose a different path than these meth people have chosen.Their are many, many, many, broken hearted parents whose children have fallen victims to this drug and they need to be prayed for as well.
Yes to the Prayers but we don't to be giving them anymore ideals or informataion on ways or techniques on making the stuff.
Observer

Kingsport, TN

#5 Sep 25, 2010
Well here's a list of materials from a site about the dangers. How much of this do they plan to put restrictions on?

When they first required the signing they said it was to stop labs. Then you saw people getting arrested because they bought two packets of cold medicine and had various other things in their house that ANYONE would have. A lot of these people being arrested I don't think actually had any intention to make drugs or even know anything about it. They just bought one too many cold packs.

Do you have rubbing alcohol, brake cleaner, engine starter, drain cleaner, matches, salt, iodine, lithium watch batteries, fertilizer, lye, nail polish remover, cat litter, jugs, corningware, cheesecloth, coffee filters, paper towels, thermometer, gas can, ice chest, towels, tape and measuring cups in your house?

I have ALL of them at my house. Is there anything at all strange about that?

http://www.streetdrugs.org/html%20files/Meth%...

Common Chemicals Used to Make Methamphetamine:

Alcohol (Isopropyl or rubbing alcohol), Toluene (brake cleaner), Ether (engine starter), Sulfuric Acid (drain cleaner), Red Phosphorus (matches/road flares), Salt (table/rock), Iodine (teat dip or flakes/crystal), Lithium (batteries), Trichloroethane (gun scrubber), MSM (cutting agent), Sodium Metal, Methanol/Alcohol (gasoline additives), Muriatic Acid, Anhydrous Ammonia (farm fertilizer), Sodium Hydroxide (lye), Pseudoephedrine (cold tablets), Ephedrine (cold tablets), Acetone, Cat Litter.

Typical Equipment Used to Make Methamphetamine:

Pyrex or Corning dishes (glass), Jugs/bottles, Paper towels, coffee filters, thermometer, cheesecloth, funnels, blenders, rubber tubing/gloves, pails/buckets, gas cans, tape/clamps, internet documents/notes, "How to Make Methamphetamine" books, Aluminum foil, Propane cylinders (20-lb), Hotplates, plastic storage containers/ice chests, measuring cups, towels/bed sheets, laboratory beakers/glassware.
Please Understand

Kingsport, TN

#6 Sep 25, 2010
Observer wrote:
Well here's a list of materials from a site about the dangers. How much of this do they plan to put restrictions on?
When they first required the signing they said it was to stop labs. Then you saw people getting arrested because they bought two packets of cold medicine and had various other things in their house that ANYONE would have. A lot of these people being arrested I don't think actually had any intention to make drugs or even know anything about it. They just bought one too many cold packs.
Do you have rubbing alcohol, brake cleaner, engine starter, drain cleaner, matches, salt, iodine, lithium watch batteries, fertilizer, lye, nail polish remover, cat litter, jugs, corningware, cheesecloth, coffee filters, paper towels, thermometer, gas can, ice chest, towels, tape and measuring cups in your house?
I have ALL of them at my house. Is there anything at all strange about that?
http://www.streetdrugs.org/html%20files/Meth%...
Common Chemicals Used to Make Methamphetamine:
Alcohol (Isopropyl or rubbing alcohol), Toluene (brake cleaner), Ether (engine starter), Sulfuric Acid (drain cleaner), Red Phosphorus (matches/road flares), Salt (table/rock), Iodine (teat dip or flakes/crystal), Lithium (batteries), Trichloroethane (gun scrubber), MSM (cutting agent), Sodium Metal, Methanol/Alcohol (gasoline additives), Muriatic Acid, Anhydrous Ammonia (farm fertilizer), Sodium Hydroxide (lye), Pseudoephedrine (cold tablets), Ephedrine (cold tablets), Acetone, Cat Litter.
Typical Equipment Used to Make Methamphetamine:
Pyrex or Corning dishes (glass), Jugs/bottles, Paper towels, coffee filters, thermometer, cheesecloth, funnels, blenders, rubber tubing/gloves, pails/buckets, gas cans, tape/clamps, internet documents/notes, "How to Make Methamphetamine" books, Aluminum foil, Propane cylinders (20-lb), Hotplates, plastic storage containers/ice chests, measuring cups, towels/bed sheets, laboratory beakers/glassware.
You Dumb As*!
Observer

Kingsport, TN

#7 Sep 25, 2010
Here's another thought. Let's say you are completely straight but have stumbled onto information that proves the district attorney and some dirty cops were involved in a scandal.

Word gets back to the dirty cops that you are the witness that will be called in court.

So some cops come to your house. Maybe they'll claim that someone called in a "welfare check" and ask if they can take around to make sure everything is OK. So you think "Well I have nothing to hide" and you let them in. They look around and they see some paper towels on the counter, some pyrex you are making a casserole in, a measuring cup you measured the milk with, a blender, and some matches. Those are "meth making equipment" and gives them probable cause to do a thorough search, at which point they'll find drain cleaner, engine starter, coffee filters, and all these other totally normal things. Next thing you know you are charged and convicted of meth manufacturing because you own these things and when you go to testify against the DA you are shackled and wearing jail stripes and the jury decides to ignore your testimony since they know you were arrested for making meth and are therefore disreputable.

But you've never made meth.
Sad but True

Cookeville, TN

#8 Sep 25, 2010
Now that's a Mouth Full.
It's So True though.
Really, Whats next???????
Bulldog

United States

#9 Sep 26, 2010
It is the same thing they do in a pot search and arrest. If you have baggies (anyone who makes a lunch for school or work), scales (anyone who sells on ebay or mails a lot of packages or has a home office) you could be charged with intent to sell. If you have fertilizer (regardless of the fact you have a farm or garden), alligator clips (sometimes used for your electric fence or in electronics or to hold a roach), a spare clock or old cell phone, hydrogen peroxide,(used in making gel explosives)pieces of pipe, you could be accused of bomb making.

Take a look around your house I'm sure you will see a whole lot of "innocent" items that to a trained drug agent "could" be used in a criminal activity. Just like that boy scout eating utensil that could be used as a weapon. Dang Zero Tolerance on weapons in school, I was stabbed with a pencil once. How about books? Been smacked upside the head with one of them once too.

Like you say when will it all end? How far will they go? The Government, our Government, has deemed that if they feel it is not good for us it is illegal and they must protect us from ourselves.
Bridget

Kingsport, TN

#10 Sep 26, 2010
Observer wrote:
Here's another thought. Let's say you are completely straight but have stumbled onto information that proves the district attorney and some dirty cops were involved in a scandal.
Word gets back to the dirty cops that you are the witness that will be called in court.
So some cops come to your house. Maybe they'll claim that someone called in a "welfare check" and ask if they can take around to make sure everything is OK. So you think "Well I have nothing to hide" and you let them in. They look around and they see some paper towels on the counter, some pyrex you are making a casserole in, a measuring cup you measured the milk with, a blender, and some matches. Those are "meth making equipment" and gives them probable cause to do a thorough search, at which point they'll find drain cleaner, engine starter, coffee filters, and all these other totally normal things. Next thing you know you are charged and convicted of meth manufacturing because you own these things and when you go to testify against the DA you are shackled and wearing jail stripes and the jury decides to ignore your testimony since they know you were arrested for making meth and are therefore disreputable.
But you've never made meth.
Gosh Durn It!!!!!If they are using paper towels then I swear we will be sighning for "TOILET PAPER".Back to the Sear's Catalog and the corn crib. This is not funny.This is a fact.So many of the items mentioned are everyday household items. Are we all going to be on the program,"Locked Up????? The kitchen cooking method is becoming a thing of the past. It is manufactured in your car now. Really in only ten minutes. It won't be safe to even be on the roads. This stuff "blows" you know. In an accident with one of these meth buffets on the road and the nesxt thing you know you are blown clear to the little dipper in what would have been just a fender bender. We have a lot to think about folks. We have a lot to dread and fear. We need to be allowed to carry guns and these meth crimes would be history in about 2.3 seconds.
The way I see it

Hackettstown, NJ

#11 Sep 26, 2010
sandwich bags have been used for packaging weed for at least 40 years. that is nothing new. Are dime bags still used for powders? You used to be able to buy them in head shops also at coin and stamp dealers.

A few years back, purchasing spray paint was suspect because of the huffers. does anyone still do that? The worst was scotch guard that would coat the lungs and harden causing suffication.
IMO

Knoxville, TN

#12 Sep 26, 2010
In my opinion they are doing this to try to stop the meth problem, not to cause problems for good people. Yes it does make me feel a little weird when I have a cold(maybe once a year) and I have to show my id to buy medecine. But really they are watching people that use/buy/make meth and sometimes this is the only way they can bring em' in! And, I'm all for that. If you look at who they arrest for buying one too many of these components at the same time. They are almost always repeat offenders. The police are not trying to charge innocent people. I know we do have some good and bad cops but for the most part they are trying to help us and clean up this town, and as we all know that is gonna be a hard job! Think about this: Cops have suspiscion of meth lab, they go in bust up a house..find nothing..lawsuit(possibly). Next case scenerio: Cops have suspiscion of meth lab, they watch the suspects go into walmart and buy several components to make meth..Bingo..They know for sure. It all boils down to this. I don't think they are gonna bother people that have nothing to worry about. Yes, it is a pain in the ass to have to sign for some of this stuff. But it's a pain in the ass even more so to have your neighbor (or anybody) for that matter, cooking meth!!!!
Tarzan

United States

#13 Sep 26, 2010
Do you honestly contend that they can arrest someone for shopping these items? If so, they could bring charges on stores for selling them. There must require more evidence than this.
Tarzan

United States

#14 Sep 26, 2010
I meant "they" not "there"
I have most of these items in the house right now. There are just a few that I don't already have. Am I in danger of arrest?
Tarzan

United States

#15 Sep 26, 2010
Uh, no cat litter. I guess I'm safe :)
Want Know

Knoxville, TN

#16 Sep 26, 2010
Observer wrote:
Here's another thought. Let's say you are completely straight but have stumbled onto information that proves the district attorney and some dirty cops were involved in a scandal.
Word gets back to the dirty cops that you are the witness that will be called in court.
So some cops come to your house. Maybe they'll claim that someone called in a "welfare check" and ask if they can take around to make sure everything is OK. So you think "Well I have nothing to hide" and you let them in. They look around and they see some paper towels on the counter, some pyrex you are making a casserole in, a measuring cup you measured the milk with, a blender, and some matches. Those are "meth making equipment" and gives them probable cause to do a thorough search, at which point they'll find drain cleaner, engine starter, coffee filters, and all these other totally normal things. Next thing you know you are charged and convicted of meth manufacturing because you own these things and when you go to testify against the DA you are shackled and wearing jail stripes and the jury decides to ignore your testimony since they know you were arrested for making meth and are therefore disreputable.
But you've never made meth.
This the reason the people of Hawkins County Must Demand That The DEPT OF JUSTICE INVESTAGAT this county and all of it public officals.
IMO

Knoxville, TN

#17 Sep 26, 2010
Tarzan wrote:
Do you honestly contend that they can arrest someone for shopping these items? If so, they could bring charges on stores for selling them. There must require more evidence than this.
They can and they do arrest people for buying a certain amount, or a combination of these things. My point was they are not going to arrest everyday joe for having this stuff in their house unless you've got them mixed together making a batch of meth! As far as the buying goes, the people that have been arrested are people they have been watching, have previous charges and normally have meth and paraphernalia on them when they're arrested. It's not like a conspiracy. If you aren't using, making etc. then you have nothing to worry about.
Doc

Bristol, TN

#18 Sep 26, 2010
You knuckle dragging morons.

Yes, those are the components for meth. No, just owning most or all will not get you arrested. It plainly says COMMON household ingredients. Until you mix them in correct proportion and apply heat as required, you don't have meth.

A young woman went out in a rowboat one day to enjoy the sunshine and read a book. Her father had left his fishing pole on the boat. About an hour later, a game warden paddled out to the boat.

"I need to see your fishing license," he said to her.

"I don't have one, because I'm not fishing," she replied.

"Ah, but you have the equipment necessary to fish, so you're just as guilty. I'll have to write you a ticket for fishing without a license."

"Then I'll have to charge you with rape," she answered.

"But I haven't touched you!" he exclaimed.

"No. But you have all the equipment necessary to rape me."

She was not cited.
Tarzan

United States

#19 Sep 26, 2010
IMO wrote:
<quoted text>They can and they do arrest people for buying a certain amount, or a combination of these things. My point was they are not going to arrest everyday joe for having this stuff in their house unless you've got them mixed together making a batch of meth! As far as the buying goes, the people that have been arrested are people they have been watching, have previous charges and normally have meth and paraphernalia on them when they're arrested. It's not like a conspiracy. If you aren't using, making etc. then you have nothing to worry about.
That is what I hoped someone would say. I was at a local hardware store a few months ago when a young guy bought a 2-gallon can of alcohol, a length of clear hose, and nothing else. The people minding the register rolled their eyes as he was leaving. Should they have done anything? Could they have reported this to the authorities without taking a chance of a liable suit? This guy could have been using the alcohol as fuel for radio controlled airplanes or something like that.
I know a lady that makes lye soap. She had some issues with the authorities after she asked to buy some at a Food City in Weber City. They didn't arrest her, but she won't be asking for lye there again.
Tarzan

United States

#20 Sep 26, 2010
Doc wrote:
You knuckle dragging morons.
Yes, those are the components for meth. No, just owning most or all will not get you arrested. It plainly says COMMON household ingredients. Until you mix them in correct proportion and apply heat as required, you don't have meth.
A young woman went out in a rowboat one day to enjoy the sunshine and read a book. Her father had left his fishing pole on the boat. About an hour later, a game warden paddled out to the boat.
"I need to see your fishing license," he said to her.
"I don't have one, because I'm not fishing," she replied.
"Ah, but you have the equipment necessary to fish, so you're just as guilty. I'll have to write you a ticket for fishing without a license."
"Then I'll have to charge you with rape," she answered.
"But I haven't touched you!" he exclaimed.
"No. But you have all the equipment necessary to rape me."
She was not cited.
I liked the story. I do not like the name-calling. I wouldn't be surprised if we are increasing required to sign document to obtain so-called common household items.

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