Hawkins officials call for SRO's
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Dave

Morristown, TN

#22 Jan 7, 2013
SRO in the schools maybe ok for a quick fix while the problem is addressed. but there's a better way to secure the schools. I work in a secure building or should I say buildings. There's no guards, and no guns. No one can access these facilities without permission. Your permission comes from behind a camera and the one granting permission could be located anywhere in the world. For example to access my office in Knoxville a person in Atlanta must grant me access. If I don't have the proper clearance I'm just left standing there till the police arrive. In some location the access is granted locally. Either way no one has ever entered any of these offices in 40yrs. And believe me there is and have been a lot that want to.
Girl

United States

#23 Jan 7, 2013
I think that having so many of our teachers acquire a conscealed weapon permit IS THE SOLUTION to this problem..Period! Give them a raise for the additional responsibility and I would about guarantee this problem would be solved.Sorry,but this is what it has came down to in order to keep our children safe while keeping our second amendment rights.Oh,and of course an armed police officer manning the entrances.-Problem solved-
freeman

United States

#24 Jan 7, 2013
Seriously wrote:
Its going to come down to 80 million moms of pre-schoolers saying "enough guns" and "shut the F up" to 4 million NRA members.
It astounds me that there is no coalition of mothers out there garnering and throwing around political clout. You would think 80 million of them would have more voice than 4 million gun nutters. The only thing missing is a formal organization and the money, which the NRA handles very well. Think of the job creation opportunities!
It amazes me how 4 million gun extremists control so much of the political agenda affecting 300 million people. A counter influence organization is much overdue.
80 million moms let little children be rounded up and put in pens like livestock then are surprised when some nut decides to slaughter them like sheep. Obviously we need more anti-gun nutters to solve society's problems. Freedom has cost and the second amendment is the only thing that guarantees the rest of our individual rights. The second amendment is not about self defense but about defense of freedom from an over reaching federal government.
involuntarly committed

United States

#25 Jan 7, 2013
Dave wrote:
SRO in the schools maybe ok for a quick fix while the problem is addressed. but there's a better way to secure the schools. I work in a secure building or should I say buildings. There's no guards, and no guns. No one can access these facilities without permission. Your permission comes from behind a camera and the one granting permission could be located anywhere in the world. For example to access my office in Knoxville a person in Atlanta must grant me access. If I don't have the proper clearance I'm just left standing there till the police arrive. In some location the access is granted locally. Either way no one has ever entered any of these offices in 40yrs. And believe me there is and have been a lot that want to.
When my doctors release me I'll park a truck load of fertilizer beside your "secure" building and see how safe you are. I may be insane but I still understand that life is dangerous and that "safety" is an illusion. Death awaits all.
really scared

United States

#26 Jan 7, 2013
Tim Carwile wrote:
KTN 1/4/2013 by Jeff Bobo
Interesting article. Final decision left to the Hawkins County Board of Commissioners.$725,000.00 per year to start.$0.10 increase in property taxes.
I remember being in a couple places.
One country was under martial law. A watch was stolen by an small boy off the arm of a fellow sailor. The small boy was then shot by a policeman and the watch was returned. Needless to say, the fellow sailor never wore the watch again.
The other country had policemen armed with UZI submachine guns strapped across their chest on every street corner. I thought then that I would never want to live in a place that had to live like that.
Freedom has a high price.
Are we willing to pay for it?
Safety is relative.
Risks have to be evaluated.
"The full county commission is expected to discuss the issue when it meets in regular session Jan. 28."
Our children need to learn to depend on irrational emotional fear to guide their decision making so the can guide our society into a communistic future where all people can live in fear and awe of a totalitarian government. Gosh Tim you can't fight progress.
Dave

Morristown, TN

#27 Jan 8, 2013
involuntarly committed wrote:
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When my doctors release me I'll park a truck load of fertilizer beside your "secure" building and see how safe you are. I may be insane but I still understand that life is dangerous and that "safety" is an illusion. Death awaits all.
won't work must get permission to access any part of the property and get close enough to cause damage. They have tried ramming gates. but were stopped before they could enter second gate. Leaving them trapped between gates with no way out. What else you got?
fred

United States

#28 Jan 8, 2013
Dave wrote:
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won't work must get permission to access any part of the property and get close enough to cause damage. They have tried ramming gates. but were stopped before they could enter second gate. Leaving them trapped between gates with no way out. What else you got?
But to secure 19 schools like Hawkins County has would cost a few million dollars. Cameras, barricades, alarms, etc...if ya think it cost much for officers, this would cost more, at least at first anyway. Some type of combination of electronic security and officers would be good.
still confined

United States

#29 Jan 8, 2013
Dave wrote:
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won't work must get permission to access any part of the property and get close enough to cause damage. They have tried ramming gates. but were stopped before they could enter second gate. Leaving them trapped between gates with no way out. What else you got?
Tractor trailer hauling a heavily armored bulldozer loaded with hydrogen peroxide mixture. I won't need remote control because my doctors keep me loaded with enough antidepressants that I'll ride this puppy in and ignite it myself.
Dave

Morristown, TN

#30 Jan 8, 2013
fred wrote:
<quoted text>But to secure 19 schools like Hawkins County has would cost a few million dollars. Cameras, barricades, alarms, etc...if ya think it cost much for officers, this would cost more, at least at first anyway. Some type of combination of electronic security and officers would be good.
There's no single solution for all schools. Maybe a SRO on the outside making sure those entering property have a need or right to be there. For cameras and alarms your looking at around $125,000 per school some more some less.(one time fee). 2 SRO's $60,000 each forever. That's $120,000 plus cost of living raise per year per SRO. That's around 2.2 mil per year for SRO's in Hawkins county. Now do you hire old guys that sit in the office till they hear a noise, or do you hire young guys and risk them dating your teenage daughter. Don't say that will not happen you already have teachers dating students. And officers sitting in the office. However, in some cases an SRO maybe the only good option. Maybe we should get together and find a solution on a school by school bases.
Dave

Morristown, TN

#31 Jan 8, 2013
still confined wrote:
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Tractor trailer hauling a heavily armored bulldozer loaded with hydrogen peroxide mixture. I won't need remote control because my doctors keep me loaded with enough antidepressants that I'll ride this puppy in and ignite it myself.
They tried the office in Indiana with a garbage truck. Stop it like it was a toy from a cracker jack box. Now what? ICBM. Boy's this is not my first rodeo. We can play all day if you want, but that's not getting us anywhere. Unlike you, Fred and some others here are actually looking for a solution and I'd rather debate what would or would not work with them and try to find an answer we can all live with especially the children.
SecureMe

Bristol, TN

#32 Jan 9, 2013
The cameras and magnetic locks are already on every school. You can't get in to any school in the county without being buzzed in. Since we already have the secure access taken care of...what is the next rational step?
fred

United States

#33 Jan 9, 2013
SecureMe wrote:
The cameras and magnetic locks are already on every school. You can't get in to any school in the county without being buzzed in. Since we already have the secure access taken care of...what is the next rational step?
Some of the entrances could use modification. These older buildongs werent designed with this type of threat in mind. Maybe hook all cameras to a central control so they can be monitored by a person, and do that 24 hours, may help stop burglaries also. Need a combination of things to help solve this problem.
pfft

United States

#34 Jan 9, 2013
Dave wrote:
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won't work must get permission to access any part of the property and get close enough to cause damage. They have tried ramming gates. but were stopped before they could enter second gate. Leaving them trapped between gates with no way out. What else you got?
I'd ignore that person If I was you, they're nothing but hot air, and will do none of the stuff they are rambling on about.

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