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RVM
#2 Feb 20, 2011
Are you sick of high paid teachers? Teachers hefty salaries are driving up taxes, and they only work 9 or 10 months a year! Its time we put things in perspective and pay them for what they do - baby sit! We can get that for less than minimum wage.

Thats right. Lets give them \$3.00 an hour and only the hours they worked; not any of that silly planning time, or any time they spend before or after school. That would be \$19.50 a day (7:45 to 3:00 PM

with 45 min. off for lunch and plan  that equals 6 1/2 hours).

Each parent should pay \$19.50 a day for these teachers to baby-sit their children.

Now how many do they teach in daymaybe 30? So thats \$19.50 x 30 =\$585.00 a day. However, remember they only work 180 days a year!!! I am not going to pay them for any vacations.

LETS SEE. Thats \$585 X 180=\$105,300 peryear.(Hold on! My calculator needs new batteries).

What about those special education teachers and the ones with Masters degrees? Well, we could pay them minimum wage (\$7.75), and just to be fair, round it off to \$8.00 an hour. That would be \$8 X 6 1/2 hours X 30 children

X 180 days =\$280,800 per year.

Wait a minute  theres something wrong here! There sure is!

The average teachers salary (nation wide) is \$50,000.\$50,000/180 days =\$277.77/per day/30 students=\$9.25/6.5 hours =\$1.42 per hour per studenta very inexpensive baby-sitter and they even EDUCATE your

kids!)

WHAT A DEAL!!!!

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Religulous

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#3 Feb 20, 2011
Irony at its Best wrote:
I hope all the teachers in our area are paying attention to the news.Most people are very tired of teachers constantly whining and complaining about how bad they have it . Teachers want more , more , more,and more. They work 180 days a year 8-3. and get every week end off. They get weeks off for Christmas, Spring break, and every holiday that can be mentioned. They have more benefits than the federal gov't or the military so they should quit bitching.They have it made and Missy & Brooks should stop swallowing every thing Zack puts out.No one is fooled by him and the RCS School board (New)needs to be very cautious .The people are watching them very closely.EOM
Thanks for providing proof of what a lack of education results in. Our teachers are underpaid and are forced to deal with kids who are barely potty-trained, not prepared , even in the basics, and are expected to do everything short of wiping kids butts.

AlthoughI believe that teachers should be held to a higher level, and be tested, just like children, I also believe they should be rewarded for dealing with what they put up with. There are kids that get brought to these schools that are barely functioning, and somehow, the loal teachers manage to improve them, even paying out of their own pockets.

Sadly, around here, the teachers and churches seem to be responsible for the parenting, as evidenced by the growing crime rate, parking lot loitering, drug busts, pregnancies,etc.

So, maybe more criticism is due for the parents who turn blind eyes and are ignorant of their own ignorant children. But if it weren't for the majority of teachers, this town/county would be a bigger turdhole than it currently is.

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THEY NEED CHECK FACTS
#4 Feb 20, 2011
Last month the gov and leg in wisc gave the rich and big business tax cuts that are more than they are trying to cut the teachers...just a big rich persons govt backed by a dumb ass tea party.

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Since: Jan 11

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#5 Feb 20, 2011
Teachers don't stop just because the school bell rings. Our next door neighbor was a teacher and he would stay up late every night grading papers and preparing lesson plans. He also was continuing his own education and coaching. He and his family were certainly not rich. I'm sure he now makes more money but he worked harder than his students ever dreamed of working. Also most of the parents around here are too lazy to take care of their children and could care less if they have any kind of education or future.

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Reality Check
#6 Feb 20, 2011
We have preschool, kindergarten, 6 years of elementary school, then 6 years of middle and high school. That's 14 years.

At the end we have students that can't add two fractions together, are unable to summarize the points made in a newspaper editorial, and can't make change from a dollar without a calculator.

Sorry, where are the competent teachers again? These students have been through 8 teachers before middle school, and then 36 in middle and high school, that's 44 teachers and not one of them managed to teach the students to do basic math.

Now I've heard of slow students, but no matter how dumb you are and how bad the teacher is, it doesn't take 14 years to learn how to do reading and arithmetic.

My vote is to reduce their salary to nothing because that is what they are worth!

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RVM
#7 Feb 20, 2011
Reality Check wrote:
We have preschool, kindergarten, 6 years of elementary school, then 6 years of middle and high school. That's 14 years.
At the end we have students that can't add two fractions together, are unable to summarize the points made in a newspaper editorial, and can't make change from a dollar without a calculator.
Sorry, where are the competent teachers again? These students have been through 8 teachers before middle school, and then 36 in middle and high school, that's 44 teachers and not one of them managed to teach the students to do basic math.
Now I've heard of slow students, but no matter how dumb you are and how bad the teacher is, it doesn't take 14 years to learn how to do reading and arithmetic.
My vote is to reduce their salary to nothing because that is what they are worth!
Then homeschool your children, if you have any.

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#8 Feb 20, 2011
teachers are NOT underpaid you whiny ass idiot. if they want better pay, let them find another job that requires them work 100% of the year rather than 75%... im a teacher myself actually and for what we do...we get paid more than enough. if you wanted a high paying job you shouldnt have went into education...you should have chosen another major. as for teachers not quitting when the bell rings at three o'clock... over 90% of the teachers in this county will not tutor students..PERIOD. they take their asses home when it's time to go... i see it everyday..so take your pity party elsewhere...

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McBudget

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#9 Feb 20, 2011
Why do we always fall for the lie that the people who do the hardest, most dangerous work like teachers, cops and firemen need to have their pay cut every year while we increase the pay of thieves and liars and crooks on wall street, banks and corporate offices? Think good teachers are easy to replace for less money, try it. Do we believe we are more stupid than those who constantly keep stealing all the money just because they have a more expensive degree? We seem to be proving it by thinking all the billions they wasted is somehow the fault of the unions or the common worker. If we pay teachers as if they are working fast food, do not be upset when the kids gets a fast food education.

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Anonymous
#10 Feb 20, 2011
Religulous wrote:
<quoted text>Thanks for providing proof of what a lack of education results in. Our teachers are underpaid and are forced to deal with kids who are barely potty-trained, not prepared , even in the basics, and are expected to do everything short of wiping kids butts.

AlthoughI believe that teachers should be held to a higher level, and be tested, just like children, I also believe they should be rewarded for dealing with what they put up with. There are kids that get brought to these schools that are barely functioning, and somehow, the loal teachers manage to improve them, even paying out of their own pockets.

Sadly, around here, the teachers and churches seem to be responsible for the parenting, as evidenced by the growing crime rate, parking lot loitering, drug busts, pregnancies,etc.

So, maybe more criticism is due for the parents who turn blind eyes and are ignorant of their own ignorant children. But if it weren't for the majority of teachers, this town/county would be a bigger turdhole than it currently is.
AMEN!! At least someone has some knowledge (unlike some others showing a "lack of")!

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#11 Feb 20, 2011
hibernatingmamabear wrote:
Teachers don't stop just because the school bell rings. Our next door neighbor was a teacher and he would stay up late every night grading papers and preparing lesson plans. He also was continuing his own education and coaching. He and his family were certainly not rich. I'm sure he now makes more money but he worked harder than his students ever dreamed of working. Also most of the parents around here are too lazy to take care of their children and could care less if they have any kind of education or future.
How true it is!

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#12 Feb 20, 2011
Reality Check wrote:
We have preschool, kindergarten, 6 years of elementary school, then 6 years of middle and high school. That's 14 years.

At the end we have students that can't add two fractions together, are unable to summarize the points made in a newspaper editorial, and can't make change from a dollar without a calculator.

Sorry, where are the competent teachers again? These students have been through 8 teachers before middle school, and then 36 in middle and high school, that's 44 teachers and not one of them managed to teach the students to do basic math.

Now I've heard of slow students, but no matter how dumb you are and how bad the teacher is, it doesn't take 14 years to learn how to do reading and arithmetic.

My vote is to reduce their salary to nothing because that is what they are worth!
My vote is that you take your own kids, who obviously don't WANT to learn anything, and do something with them yourself! Oh wait, you already have and that's why they have the sorry "I don't have to" attitudes to start with!!

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#13 Feb 20, 2011
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teachers are NOT underpaid you whiny ass idiot. if they want better pay, let them find another job that requires them work 100% of the year rather than 75%... im a teacher myself actually and for what we do...we get paid more than enough. if you wanted a high paying job you shouldnt have went into education...you should have chosen another major. as for teachers not quitting when the bell rings at three o'clock... over 90% of the teachers in this county will not tutor students..PERIOD. they take their asses home when it's time to go... i see it everyday..so take your pity party elsewhere...
Obviously, you are NOT a teacher, or you would use better grammar! Lol!

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#14 Feb 20, 2011
Back in the mid 60s and really wanting to avoid the draft in my second yr of college..i was offered a teaching job in the local hs..and to get my degree at night and in the summer..was tempting. But you know i was working at a supermarket and going full time to school..the pay was not that far apart. I always worked full time and went to school full time and got govt loans and other aid my second year. The total was about \$4,000 for the four years. In my early 40s i was paying 40-50k a yr in taxes. I think the govt got a great payback for my loans. I am sure there are even better paybacks than mine. I did do student teaching as a back up..enough to tell me it was not worth the effort. I you do not have the desire or just a dead beat is the only way i would cosidered it..saying there are great and dedicated teachers that would make a hell of a lot more outside and there are those just lazy ass deadbeats i knew in school that spent yrs in the school system that should have never ever been hired..but had political connections in hawkins co. And sadly my kids spent some wasted yrs with them. But pay for a good teacher? And what the guy in wisc is trying to do? We all will lose.
now

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#15 Feb 20, 2011
i am a teacher... and i would gurantee that i am more edumacated than you... this is topix... eff grammar....
iluvunmcgregor wrote:
<quoted text>
Obviously, you are NOT a teacher, or you would use better grammar! Lol!

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#16 Feb 20, 2011
now wrote:
<quoted text>i am a teacher... and i would gurantee that i am more edumacated than you... this is topix... eff grammar....
You know nothing about me... you know nothing of my education... sorry... stop trying to impress yourself.
disappointed
#17 Feb 20, 2011
As a teacher, I believe we all have rights...hence we all can post our comments!! I love teaching or I wouldn't be at my job!!! I arrive around 7:30 every morning and most days don't leave school until 5 or 6 in the evening!! Then I go home to my family and more often than not work on more school related work for the next day!! My summers are spent in in-services to prepare for the upcoming year!! I'm constantly working to find ways to keep my students engaged in the classroom. It saddens me when I hear a chid say who cares about my grades..I DO!!! I hound and push because I expect good grades, but I battle apathy from students and parents!!! Education is not just the schools job it's eveyones!!! As for ever being rich not likely!! Though as I did my taxes this year I would note to skeptics...I spent about \$2000 of my own personal money buying clothes for students, supplies for my classroom, and paying for kids who couldn't afford trips!! So those who doubt teachers don't clump all teachers together!!

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Snappy
#18 Feb 20, 2011
I think teachers are paid fairly - not under or overpaid. I must admit that it does drive me a little batty to hear them complain about taking work home, punching a time clock or doing bus duty when they know they're going to get 2 and 1/2 months off in the summer, 2 weeks for Christmas, 1 week for spring break, 1 week for fall break and numerous days off in between. I understand that dealing with these children is tough but the things I deal with YEAR 'ROUND at my job are tough too. I work 12 hour days with 2 weeks vacation, half the benefits as these teachers with roughly the same pay, and no "planning period". I appreciate the devotion a lot of them have but give me a break about your precious time. You're being paid for it with good benefits and a salary for 12 months when you're only there for 7.

Want to be recognized fo the time you're there? Refuse your pay for the time you aren't and we'll talk.

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upper end teacher
#19 Feb 20, 2011
I have read all these posts and have to comment on the information presented here. Those of you who are teacher bashing need to come into my classroom for one day and see exactly what your tax dollars are being used for. I am there working with students every day and love it. Most of these students don't have any support once they leave my classroom. Of my 19 students, I only have 7 who are living in a 2 parent household. Most students go home to an empty house because mom or dad has to work 2 or more jobs to support the family. Homework isn't being done. Tests aren't being studied for. Several can only rely on the 2 meals provided at school every day. Most of these kids get NO help at home. None. What about the accountability for parents?
Oh and by the way Snappy I choose my pay to come in 12 month checks. The 2 options for pay are 10 monthly checks or 12 monthly checks. I would really like to know where you have heard that we only work 7 months a year. I go back to work at the end of July and finish at the end of May. According to my calendar that is 10 months. What are these good benefits you are talking about too? We are provided insurance if we want it, but it is expensive. We have a retirement plan, but unfortunately I will have to work until I am around 70 to draw enough to be able to retire.
As for planning, I would love to have an uninterrupted planning period, but it is filled with meetings, committee assignments, phone calls to parents.
I didn't get into this profession out of a desire to get rich. I genuinely love children. I want to help them. I want to teach them. I want to make a difference.
I am beginning to see the real reason the view of education in our country is declining...the attitude of most people. Instead of bashing us, help us. Volunteer to read to the kids, help a teacher instead of putting us down.

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Citizen

Church Hill, VA

#20 Feb 20, 2011
I have kids in 3 different schools. I take the to school and pick them up. If the teachers want respect, why do the dress like they are heading to the club? I ask you not to take my words for it, go to Joseph Rogers and sit and watch in the mornings. I keep waiting to see some man wave money out their window to signal they are interested.

This is a school not a social gathering site. It is shameful how some of those people are dressed up there. The other schools are just as bad. Parents need to start voicing their complaint about this issue. Maby the teachers would clean up their appearence and then earn a little respect.
Just wait

AOL

#21 Feb 20, 2011
Till our current Governor and Legislature get through with the teachers. There will be plenty of vacant teacher positions.!!!!!!!!

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