Do you think cockfighting should be legal?

Created by just wandering on Jan 6, 2011

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No, thats cruelty to animals

yes its an awesome sport

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Observer

Kingsport, TN

#1 Jan 6, 2011
The two presented forced choices are not adequate to properly respond.

1. It's cruel to the animals, but no where near as bad as the conditions of factory farming, where they cut off the beaks of the chickens to prevent them from pecking each other to death due to the stress of their filthy cramped living conditions. How would you like to be held in a pen for fattening, with your teeth and lips removed so you couldn't bite anyone.

2. It's fun to watch roosters fight, and it's something they do naturally.

3. Commercial rooster fights are not fun when the roosters are armed with knives on their talons in order to make the fight faster and more bloody.

4. People who attend such events have a thirst for blood, much as those who went to the Arena to see Gladiators fight, or see the Christians thrown to the lions for sport.

5. It would be hypocritical to ban rooster fights when factory farming is much more cruel.

Therefore cockfighting should be legal.
just wandering

United States

#2 Jan 6, 2011
Observer, good answer, i like it!! i agree whole heartly with your post. They are fun to watch. I would say we will get bashed here shortly, with alot of one track minds..
spiked

United States

#3 Jan 6, 2011
no bashing here. i was thinking very similar thoughts.
the knife thing simply adds more luck to it. it makes it closer to playing the lottery, thats all.
I would not participate, but that doesn't mean i'd force that opinion on anyone else. and there are worse things done in order to make a buck, like observer says.
but part of me wonders why the same doesn't apply to dogs? the country has a hissie fit when someone famous is involved in it.
personally i think fighting robots makes a lot more sense. it educates those involved and they can potentially make a living off what they learn. and it costs about the same.
cock a doodle

Ellenboro, NC

#4 Jan 6, 2011
factory farming is cruel. Tyson and Sanderson farms make millions, we get cheap chicken. Chickens even bred for large breasts and can't even walk.
But why protest these things? Most people here love capitalism. You wouldn't have it any other way.
Why not? Legal cockfighting, dog fighting, cat fighting, all drugs legal...whatever...it's all about freedom isn't it?
Into the abyss we go! More mindlessness, chaos, and cruelty for 2011, infinity and beyond!
just wandering

United States

#5 Jan 6, 2011
maybe we can pay the mayor and the sherrif to let us open up a pit somewhere.
hmmm

Piney Flats, TN

#7 Jan 6, 2011
wouldn.t be bad ,,if they were fried to eat after being killed....but,to kill them for nothing is just wrong
Observer

Kingsport, TN

#8 Jan 6, 2011
Here is a video documentary about how factory chickens are raised in the US.



Here is another one. You can see how the workers treat the animals.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Here is another one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Now, for your comparison, here are conditions at a fighting cock farm:

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Let's say you have a choice. Which life would you rather live? The hen in the factory farm, or the rooster at the cock farm?
just wandering

United States

#9 Jan 6, 2011
i will have to say, i would rather be a rooster on a cock farm.
Lil Cox Fight Cox

AOL

#11 Jan 6, 2011
Why do we always have to choose between two evils? Like asking, would you rather beat your wife or your kids. Why is factory farming more of an evil than cock fighting when a great deal of money is bet on cock fights or spent on the roosters rather than providing for their kids and families. Then you have the other element of illegal drugs or liquor that always shows up at rooster fights. It's a huge waste of money and life. Anyone who gets pleasure from animals fighting is one sick, POS who is too cowardly to get in the ring himself,no different from the heartless factory farm mangers. Money wise, if people and local restaurants bought their poultry and beef products from local farmers instead of from the grocery stores it would boost the economy more than the cock fighters around here. You can't make money selling eggs and stewing hens if all you raise is roosters and who wouldn't want humanely raised chicken that was free from hormones, antibiotics and E. coli? Everyone that eats meat likes chicken, not everyone around here fights roosters or gambles on the fights.
Observer

Kingsport, TN

#12 Jan 6, 2011
Almost all Cocks fight naturally. Saying that people who enjoy watching this are sickos is not a rational comment. Maybe if you were talking about being disgusted by something that is rare and thus unnatural you would have a point. Like homosexuality. That is rare and disgusting. The whole idea of putting banana in another man's fudge is totally gross. People who support that are sick pieces of shit who are too cowardly to have a relationship with a real woman.
Lil Cox Fight Cox

AOL

#13 Jan 6, 2011
Observer wrote:
Almost all Cocks fight naturally. Saying that people who enjoy watching this are sickos is not a rational comment. Maybe if you were talking about being disgusted by something that is rare and thus unnatural you would have a point. Like homosexuality. That is rare and disgusting. The whole idea of putting banana in another man's fudge is totally gross. People who support that are sick pieces of shit who are too cowardly to have a relationship with a real woman.
True you are entitled to your opinion but then so am I. Not a big fan of bananas in my fudge but I get your drift. In all of my days I haven't killed anything for food or for sport nor has anything died or suffered for me to prove my manhood. Can you say the same?
Concerned Parent

Kingsport, TN

#15 Jan 6, 2011
Here's a study from 2009. There are a tremendous number of studies that have found that the neurotoxin thimeresol in vaccines causes autistic like symptoms in some individuals. Claims that this is not true are simply unscientific nonsense.

http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~cont...

Mitochondrial dysfunction, impaired oxidative-reduction activity, degeneration, and death in human neuronal and fetal cells induced by low-level exposure to thimerosal and other metal compounds

Authors: D. A. Geiera; P. G. Kingb; M. R. Geierc

Abstract
Thimerosal (ethylmercurithiosalicylic acid), an ethylmercury (EtHg)-releasing compound (49.55% mercury (Hg)), was used in a range of medical products for more than 70 years. Of particular recent concern, routine administering of Thimerosal-containing biologics/childhood vaccines have become significant sources of Hg exposure for some fetuses/infants. This study was undertaken to investigate cellular damage among in vitro human neuronal (SH-SY-5Y neuroblastoma and 1321N1 astrocytoma) and fetal (nontransformed) model systems using cell vitality assays and microscope-based digital image capture techniques to assess potential damage induced by Thimerosal and other metal compounds (aluminum (Al) sulfate, lead (Pb)(II) acetate, methylmercury (MeHg) hydroxide, and mercury (Hg)(II) chloride) where the cation was reported to exert adverse effects on developing cells. Thimerosal-associated cellular damage was also evaluated for similarity to pathophysiological findings observed in patients diagnosed with autistic disorders (ADs). Thimerosal-induced cellular damage as evidenced by concentration- and time-dependent mitochondrial damage, reduced oxidative-reduction activity, cellular degeneration, and cell death in the in vitro human neuronal and fetal model systems studied. Thimerosal at low nanomolar (nM) concentrations induced significant cellular toxicity in human neuronal and fetal cells. Thimerosal-induced cytoxicity is similar to that observed in AD pathophysiologic studies. Thimerosal was found to be significantly more toxic than the other metal compounds examined. Future studies need to be conducted to evaluate additional mechanisms underlying Thimerosal-induced cellular damage and assess potential co-exposures to other compounds that may increase or decrease Thimerosal-mediated toxicity.
Keywords: autism; glial; lead; mercury; mercuric; neurodevelopmental
Concerned Parent

Kingsport, TN

#16 Jan 6, 2011
sorry, wrong topic.
just wandering

United States

#17 Jan 6, 2011
if you have ever been to a cock fight you would know that there is no drugs or alcohol allowed, you are just stereotyping
Bull Tyrds

AOL

#19 Jan 8, 2011
just wandering wrote:
if you have ever been to a cock fight you would know that there is no drugs or alcohol allowed, you are just stereotyping
OK Sparky. If cock fighting is so family oriented and respectable, post the local cock fight locations and times. Anyone who has seen the back woods rooster farms of this area knows the owners are usually filthy drug dealing, thieves. Drive through the poor parts of Hawkins county, the back roads, see the filth in the yards next to the rooster pens. If they have their animals in such unsanitary conditions I'd hate to see the insides of their houses or their kids. Post pictures of your favorite rooster fight locations or rooster farm if you want to prove me wrong. Show the people how making a rooster live in a his own tiny wire cage all his life is humane.
steve

Strawberry Plains, TN

#20 Jan 8, 2011
anyone who wants to drive by my house is more than welcome to,its neat its clean and its got about 50 chickens in the back yard,,,,i don't do drugs,my family and kids are very well took care of,,,,our president fought cocks in the meeting room of the white house,,,abe got his nick name honest abe because he was the ref of the fights,,cock fighting is a natural thing the cocks do and you can't stop them from doing it,,,its our heritage that our four fathers done,most cocks that win are put in brood pens with hens,,my chickens get vitamins and tylan for any little cold,,they are very healthy,,

the thing that ppl don't understand is you don't make the cocks fight,it's all natural to them,they fight at a early age for dominance,,

cock fights would bring in a ton of money for the school system and city,,and create jobs for the ones who will work and not want a check,,the farmers would have more work,the supplies companys would have more work,,ppl who make wire and wood would have more work,,,,there's a lot of good things that could come out of legal cock fighting,,,i agree that i don't want anything to do with hurting a animal,i have two dogs that i would hurt someone over,,,but a chicken is not a pet,,,,steve
just wandering

United States

#21 Jan 8, 2011
Bull Tyrds wrote:
<quoted text>OK Sparky. If cock fighting is so family oriented and respectable, post the local cock fight locations and times. Anyone who has seen the back woods rooster farms of this area knows the owners are usually filthy drug dealing, thieves. Drive through the poor parts of Hawkins county, the back roads, see the filth in the yards next to the rooster pens. If they have their animals in such unsanitary conditions I'd hate to see the insides of their houses or their kids. Post pictures of your favorite rooster fight locations or rooster farm if you want to prove me wrong. Show the people how making a rooster live in a his own tiny wire cage all his life is humane.
I have chickens also, i own a 30 acre farm and i promise you that my place is not nasty. I never said it was family oriented,im sure there are people who have fighting chickens that do drugs and are nasty, but i am also sure that there are drugs and filth in law enforcement, and numerous other titles. My point is you will find bad in every profession, but we cant let one apple spoil the whole bunch. If you are against it thats fine but you should know what your talking about before you spout off about something that you are obviously not educated about.
Bull Tyrds

AOL

#22 Jan 8, 2011
Why not legalize prostitution? That would bring in alot of money and employ more people than rooster fighting. I'm sure people want to move into this area to live next door to rooster pens and the noise of them crowing all the time.'Our President fought roosters'...lol he probably had slaves too, I'm still not impressed. When will you people stop trying to live in the 1800's? Peddle your fertilizer somewhere else. Do you take all your roosters to the Vet to make sure they are healthy? If your little precious roosters get the bird flu you are out of your investment but my family's health is still at risk. Of course local law enforcement won't do anything to shut down the cock fights around here, too many relatives involved . Heck they even show up at the fights sometimes. That would make a interesting video for Youtube.
Rogersville Dad

Kingsport, TN

#23 Jan 8, 2011
Well I'll chime in as well and say I have chickens. I won't say the yard is picked up all the time since the kids don't always put their toys away. There's definitely no drugs here and anyone bringing drugs here is going to get shot because we don't put up with that. The roosters definitely will fight and the kids watch them when they do. These claims that us people with chickens do drugs is simply not true and is a lie plain and simple. People with chickens and gardens are far less likely to mess with that stuff I'd say since there's no time to be idle. As far as the cock farms in the county, I've driven past quite a few of them and the houses look to be in good shape and maintained. I also know that we've had some sheriffs in the past that raised a game cock or two and good for them.
CC123b

Corinth, MS

#25 Jan 9, 2011
Bull Tyrds wrote:
Why not legalize prostitution? That would bring in alot of money and employ more people than rooster fighting. I'm sure people want to move into this area to live next door to rooster pens and the noise of them crowing all the time.'Our President fought roosters'...lol he probably had slaves too, I'm still not impressed. When will you people stop trying to live in the 1800's? Peddle your fertilizer somewhere else. Do you take all your roosters to the Vet to make sure they are healthy? If your little precious roosters get the bird flu you are out of your investment but my family's health is still at risk. Of course local law enforcement won't do anything to shut down the cock fights around here, too many relatives involved . Heck they even show up at the fights sometimes. That would make a interesting video for Youtube.
Ok, come on, are you Wyane pacell or Jp Goodwin?

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