Time to take guns away from PTSD suff...

Time to take guns away from PTSD sufferers

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Man up

Elizabethton, TN

#1 Feb 5, 2013
Since we don't want our guns removed entirely across the board AND we always say to simply not let the "crazies" have them, it's time to act on it. If you take medication for depression or PTSD you shouldn't be allowed to own guns. Hopefully this would help people be more aware of themselves rather than just trying to take a pill for it. Maybe it would also stop things like someone who never even heard a shot fired getting to come home, milk the system, get a fcking dog just so he can take it to bars and restaurants and argue with the management while drawing attention to his fat ass.

Your thoughts?
Yo Mama Obama

Pembroke, NC

#2 Feb 5, 2013
Man up wrote:
Since we don't want our guns removed entirely across the board AND we always say to simply not let the "crazies" have them, it's time to act on it. If you take medication for depression or PTSD you shouldn't be allowed to own guns. Hopefully this would help people be more aware of themselves rather than just trying to take a pill for it. Maybe it would also stop things like someone who never even heard a shot fired getting to come home, milk the system, get a fcking dog just so he can take it to bars and restaurants and argue with the management while drawing attention to his fat ass.
Your thoughts?
No one will need firearms once I get the Homeland Security forces up and running. This federally controlled police force will bring order to our society. Their motto is "we're armed so you don't have to be". Of course I will use these forces like I do my drones,
killing American citizens whenever I decide they are a threat to national security.(my justice department has determined that this is legal)

Praise Allah (true law enforcement begins with Sharia law)
Well

United States

#3 Feb 5, 2013
How disrespectful can you freakin be? Most people with post traumatic stress disorder got it defending your country and If not for them you wouldn't HAVE guns to take!
Man up

Elizabethton, TN

#4 Feb 5, 2013
So having a mental illness and carrying a gun is okay as long as you got your mental illness while in the military?
master chowder

Loves Park, IL

#5 Feb 5, 2013
If you look up the definition of PTSD you will see that people who suffer from this disorder have an aversion to the kinds of trauma which caused them to suffer from PTSD in the first place. By that description, someone who is experiencing combat-related PTSD is probably unlikely to even want to touch or see a gun, much less go on a violent shooting rampage. Instead, combat-related PTSD sufferers are much more likely to end up living under a bridge or self-medicating with alcohol while hiding underneath a table.

That said, you do raise an important question; what should we be doing to keep the mentally ill from getting weapons? You mention depression and PTSD, but how about:

- bipolar
- autistic/ADD/ADHD
- narcissist/entitlement mentality

Diseases of the mind are all the rage nowadays. Go to any school in America and you will see that all children nowadays are being diagnosed autistic and ADHD. All of them. 50 years ago these disorders didn't even exist, but now all our kids suddenly have all these mental illnesses??? Excuse me, why???? The answer is pretty simple: THEY AREN'T REALLY CRAZY.

- This is what happens when you take God out of the schools, raise everyone to be secular, teach everyone to care only about number 1.

- This is what happens when Dad isn't in the home and you have single mothers raising children; the kids have no idea what respect, discipline, family values, or work ethic are all about.

- This is what happens when you put kids in front of video games all day long; instant gratification and personal entertainment become their only priorities in life.

The end result is that society is basically falling apart at the seams, you have a black guy in office handing out foodstamps, and we are doing nothing to solve the actual cause of our problems. Instead we hand out all these psychiatric diagnoses and put everybody on happy pills.

So the doctors said that Adam Lanza had a slight case of depression and anxiety. No problem, put him on happy pills. My diagnosis? Single mom, no Dad, no God, he was a total loser that never did anything important in life. End result: he struck back against society using violence. Look at Seung-Hui Cho, George Sodini, James Holmes. In every one of these cases of shooting violence *none* of these people actually had a true mental illness,*all* of them were losers in life,*all* of them were jealous of other peoples' success and so they all struck back using violence.

Like I have said before, people with mental illnesses go into the enchanted forest and talk to the magical unicorns, or they get broomsticks and have light sabre fights with Darth Vader. Now compare that to what we know about Adam Lanza or James Holmes: when someone spends months creating intricate plans to attack *real* people in a *real* public place, when they spend months gathering *real* weapons and armor, their very actions demonstrate attention to detail, logic, planning and dedication. If they were really crazy, how come they were able to get their shit together in such an orderly fashion?

Probably because they weren't crazy to begin with. They knew exactly what they were doing and why. Which is why it is especially important for all of us to realize that people like this are everywhere. Adam Lanza, total loser turned violent, there are thousands of people like him out there. The only way to stop them is to fight fire with fire. They have guns, so should you. Protect yourself and your family with firearms.
Well

United States

#6 Feb 6, 2013
Just go right ahead and take those guns,but there will always be a way for the truly crazies to get their hands on guns! I know it and you know it and I think that ANY law abiding citizen should have the right to defend themselves and their family..BUT there are usually early warning signs before these horrid events take place and flags should be thrown and families of those taken seriously.Many,(very many) people who have no business with a gun have no psychological mental disorder diagnosis and every one who have, do not deserve to lose their right to own a firearm.Create some jobs and have armed guards at schools along with more security at hot spot areas.You may think you want guns taken away,but myself and many more fairly educated people will tell you that IS NOT a position you want to put the American people in.
Well

United States

#7 Feb 6, 2013
...and you are so right Master Chowder!
spike

United States

#8 Feb 6, 2013
master chowder wrote:
If you look up the definition of PTSD you will see that people who suffer from this disorder have an aversion to the kinds of trauma which caused them to suffer from PTSD in the first place. By that description, someone who is experiencing combat-related PTSD is probably unlikely to even want to touch or see a gun, much less go on a violent shooting rampage. Instead, combat-related PTSD sufferers are much more likely to end up living under a bridge or self-medicating with alcohol while hiding underneath a table.
That said, you do raise an important question; what should we be doing to keep the mentally ill from getting weapons? You mention depression and PTSD, but how about:
- bipolar
- autistic/ADD/ADHD
- narcissist/entitlement mentality
Diseases of the mind are all the rage nowadays. Go to any school in America and you will see that all children nowadays are being diagnosed autistic and ADHD. All of them. 50 years ago these disorders didn't even exist, but now all our kids suddenly have all these mental illnesses??? Excuse me, why???? The answer is pretty simple: THEY AREN'T REALLY CRAZY.
- This is what happens when you take God out of the schools, raise everyone to be secular, teach everyone to care only about number 1.
- This is what happens when Dad isn't in the home and you have single mothers raising children; the kids have no idea what respect, discipline, family values, or work ethic are all about.
- This is what happens when you put kids in front of video games all day long; instant gratification and personal entertainment become their only priorities in life.
The end result is that society is basically falling apart at the seams, you have a black guy in office handing out foodstamps, and we are doing nothing to solve the actual cause of our problems. Instead we hand out all these psychiatric diagnoses and put everybody on happy pills.
So the doctors said that Adam Lanza had a slight case of depression and anxiety. No problem, put him on happy pills. My diagnosis? Single mom, no Dad, no God, he was a total loser that never did anything important in life. End result: he struck back against society using violence. Look at Seung-Hui Cho, George Sodini, James Holmes. In every one of these cases of shooting violence *none* of these people actually had a true mental illness,*all* of them were losers in life,*all* of them were jealous of other peoples' success and so they all struck back using violence.
Like I have said before, people with mental illnesses go into the enchanted forest and talk to the magical unicorns, or they get broomsticks and have light sabre fights with Darth Vader. Now compare that to what we know about Adam Lanza or James Holmes: when someone spends months creating intricate plans to attack *real* people in a *real* public place, when they spend months gathering *real* weapons and armor, their very actions demonstrate attention to detail, logic, planning and dedication. If they were really crazy, how come they were able to get their shit together in such an orderly fashion?
Probably because they weren't crazy to begin with. They knew exactly what they were doing and why. Which is why it is especially important for all of us to realize that people like this are everywhere. Adam Lanza, total loser turned violent, there are thousands of people like him out there. The only way to stop them is to fight fire with fire. They have guns, so should you. Protect yourself and your family with firearms.
Amen!
Man up

Elizabethton, TN

#9 Feb 6, 2013
master chowder wrote:
If you look up the definition of PTSD you will see that people who suffer from this disorder have an aversion to the kinds of trauma which caused them to suffer from PTSD in the first place. By that description, someone who is experiencing combat-related PTSD is probably unlikely to even want to touch or see a gun, much less go on a violent shooting rampage. Instead, combat-related PTSD sufferers are much more likely to end up living under a bridge or self-medicating with alcohol while hiding underneath a table.
If that's the case then the Government should look into the hundreds of thousands of fraud cases that they are paying disability on. Go to any VFW and you'll find that 95% of the people there receive some percentage of disability for PTSD. You'll also find that they ALL are gun owners. Literally all of them are.

I'm not knocking our vets with true PTSD but I'm trying to make 2 points.

1. The argument against across the board gun regulations is that we need to do more extensive background checks and not give guns to the crazies. If we do that then we have to take guns away from anyone with PTSD whether they are a vet or not. The gun range shooting was done by a vet with PTSD. The guy who held the kid in a bunker in Alabama was a vet with PTSD. See where I'm going here?

2. Fix the PTSD epidemic that's going on right now. You shouldn't be able to even qualify for military PTSD programs unless you've seen combat. There is a guy in Johnson City right now who gets a check, paid for school and a freaking dog to take into restaurants with him and he never heard a single shot while he was in Iraq. That's ridiculous. Why the hell do you need to take your dog into a restaurant because of a supposed mental issue?
oopsie

Johnson City, TN

#10 Feb 6, 2013
Man up wrote:
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I'm not knocking our vets with true PTSD but I'm trying to make 2 points.
1. The argument against across the board gun regulations is that we need to do more extensive background checks and not give guns to the crazies.
That's a good point, the mainstream argument against gun regs leads us to eventually having to define who the "crazies" are.

Do we add thuthers to that list?

The preppers like that guy in that bunker?

The government conspiracy theorists?

The people wanting to live in 1776 today?

What a can of worms that opens.
maybe then

Tucker, GA

#11 Feb 6, 2013
We should create a law against murder to stop these senseless acts.
modern thinking

United States

#12 Feb 6, 2013
maybe then wrote:
We should create a law against murder to stop these senseless acts.
That wouldn't be fair. We can't start blaming people for their own actions. We're way too advanced for that. Nobody should be held responsible for anything. It's the guns, home life ,drugs,PTSD ,PMS ,and a host of excuses for any and all illegal actions. Nobody is responsible.
maybe then

Jefferson City, TN

#13 Feb 6, 2013
modern thinking wrote:
<quoted text>That wouldn't be fair. We can't start blaming people for their own actions. We're way too advanced for that. Nobody should be held responsible for anything. It's the guns, home life ,drugs,PTSD ,PMS ,and a host of excuses for any and all illegal actions. Nobody is responsible.
I guess you're right. If we were to hold people accountable, someone would undoubtedly get their feelings hurt or become offended. I suppose we should just continue passing the blame to an inanimate object or "disease".
hmm

Lebanon, VA

#14 Feb 6, 2013
have u ever served n heard a shot fired? if not then shutup..a vet with ptsd is less likely to go on a rampage than anybody..alot of us vets have guns because we feel empty n less secure without them..
Man up

Elizabethton, TN

#15 Feb 7, 2013
hmm wrote:
have u ever served n heard a shot fired? if not then shutup..a vet with ptsd is less likely to go on a rampage than anybody..alot of us vets have guns because we feel empty n less secure without them..
Yes. Yes I have.
hmm

United States

#16 Feb 7, 2013
highly doubtful..if u had u would be singing a different tune..which war? wat unit u with? call of duty doesnt count..theres not one vet i know that would say take away guns from ppl with PTSD..r u saying just bc somebody has it that they cant be deployed? i know plenty that have..i myself am on antidepressants n about to go back overseas..that mean i cant carry a gun? u my friend r worthless
Well

United States

#17 Feb 7, 2013
hmm wrote:
highly doubtful..if u had u would be singing a different tune..which war? wat unit u with? call of duty doesnt count..theres not one vet i know that would say take away guns from ppl with PTSD..r u saying just bc somebody has it that they cant be deployed? i know plenty that have..i myself am on antidepressants n about to go back overseas..that mean i cant carry a gun? u my friend r worthless
I second that good buddy and thank you from the bottom of my heart.I cannot express how much I appreciate what you have done and continue to do so I (and many ingreats) can enjoy the many freedoms that are taken for granted every day!
question

Johnson City, TN

#18 Feb 7, 2013
hmm wrote:
a vet with ptsd is less likely to go on a rampage than anybody.
Do we count the vet who killed the Navy Seal at the gun range in Texas?
yupp

Chatsworth, GA

#19 Feb 7, 2013
im not saying its not gonna happen..but it can happen with anybody..u cant single out one group of people..just because they r scarred by some of the things that they have seen doesnt mean all of them will do it..murders happen everywhere around the world..it just seems that when a PTSD sufferer does it it is more likely to make headline news..they would actually feel more safe and secure with theirselves and there families with a weapon in their home than if u take them away..the school shooting..was that a vet? no dont believe so..anybody and everybody has the capability of committing such crimes..carrying a weapon is something u get accustomed to overseas and when u come home and r without one and find yourself scared cause u feel u may have lost it u r more likely to go on the defensive than if u r allowed to have one and u know where its at..sorry for the rant..i just really hate it when people disrespect the military and try to take our rights away when we r the ones defending those same rights for civilians
hmm

Chatsworth, GA

#20 Feb 7, 2013
that last post was me..it changed my name on me for some reason

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