County wide fire department.

County wide fire department.

Created by Hawkins Resident on Sep 21, 2012

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Hawkins Resident

Kingsport, TN

#1 Sep 21, 2012
I am totally against this proposed action. The only thing this will do is cause our taxes to go higher and not improve the service that they provide at all.
What

Bristol, TN

#2 Sep 21, 2012
Really? Then what are the details of that? Thankfully there are a lot of people involved in investigating the possibility instead of hearing some one say that it needs to remain the same because that's the way it was when grand-pappy was alive. Why would you be opposed to learning more about it?
Hawkins Resident

Kingsport, TN

#3 Sep 21, 2012
Well for one reason I live in an area that has a fire rating of 7. The only other areas of the county that has a 7 fire rating is inside of the city limits of Mt, Carmel, Church Hill, Surgoinsville,and Rogersville. If we go to a county wide fire department then the fire rating for the county will go to the standard 9. This is a very big increase in home owners insurance. Plus the fire tax added to every residence in Hawkins County.

This sounds alot like when Knox County was volunteer and now they are Rural Metro where you have to pay for the fire protection as a yearly fee and if you do not have a contract for service they really don't have to do anything. They will put out the fire or render their services but they will charge you an arm and a leg for it because they don't have a contract to provide service for the property owner.
Hawkins Resident

Kingsport, TN

#4 Sep 21, 2012
For Your Information:
The best fire rating a fire department can get is a 1. The worst is a 9. Not really very much required for a 9 fire rating.
teal

Greer, SC

#5 Sep 21, 2012
This should be voted on in november.
Robin

Kingsport, TN

#6 Sep 21, 2012
Does not matter the fire rating if you don't have qualified firemen who know what they are doing. You can live beside the firewall and still watch your house burn down.
What

Chatsworth, GA

#7 Sep 21, 2012
Where are you getting your information about fire tax and such? At least it is being researched. Everyone has opinions but perhaps there may be some actual research and investigating done for a change before making any decision. I personally called one of the people on the committee and he told me that it could be a year before the information was gathered and then could be five years or more before a final decision was made for or against it. And even then there would be several public hearings to ensure everyone had time to speak their mind. Just because it's been done a certain way for 60 years doesn't mean it's the right or only way.
Hawkins Resident

Kingsport, TN

#8 Sep 24, 2012
It was in the Rogersville Review on September 19, 2012. The fire rating information can be obtained from your homeowners insurance it is called an ISO rating.

I just get a feeling that there is some kind of personal agenda that is being pushed onto everyone. Plus if you look at the track record of this county commission it is not the best. Look at the judicial appointment of Taylor and all the publicity that this has caused for our county. Publicity that is not good by the way.

Did it ever occur to anyone that this is a way for a few people to have more control over what happens in this county.
Sounds to me

Kingsport, TN

#9 Sep 24, 2012
Too many big egos involved for this to ever happen. And I'm not talking about the County Commission. Honestly, do you know anyone that works for a fire department or medical team that doesn't have a huge ego? Nobody would want to give up any power.
your grandpappy was dumb

Jonesborough, TN

#10 Sep 24, 2012
How much is the area growing, population-wise? That would be a big impact on how effective all these little volunteer departments scattered around the county would be. As the area grows, with more and more people moving in, it becomes less feasible to rely upon volunteer departments. As the call volume goes up as the population goes up, volunteers simply cannot be expected to leave their day job 3, 4 or 5 times in an 8 hour shift to respond to calls. When the call volume gets to a certain degree, you simply must move to a paid professional position funded by government and leave the volunteer model behind.

Around here, when you need an ambulance, you get a bill for $400 sent to your address. I moved here from a high tax state where fire and ambulance services were funded by county taxes, staffed by well-trained professionals who did this as their day job, and there was no fee if you needed these services.

It all comes down to taxpayers expecting something (fire, ambulance) for a tax burden of nothing. So they are reluctant to move beyond the simpleton volunteer model. Ironically, these taxpayers who think they are soooo burdened now have never been taxed to the degree other people have. They face a financial hangnail, and they think its the end of the world.
up the holler cow pile

United States

#11 Sep 24, 2012
your grandpappy was dumb wrote:
How much is the area growing, population-wise? That would be a big impact on how effective all these little volunteer departments scattered around the county would be. As the area grows, with more and more people moving in, it becomes less feasible to rely upon volunteer departments. As the call volume goes up as the population goes up, volunteers simply cannot be expected to leave their day job 3, 4 or 5 times in an 8 hour shift to respond to calls. When the call volume gets to a certain degree, you simply must move to a paid professional position funded by government and leave the volunteer model behind.
Around here, when you need an ambulance, you get a bill for $400 sent to your address. I moved here from a high tax state where fire and ambulance services were funded by county taxes, staffed by well-trained professionals who did this as their day job, and there was no fee if you needed these services.
It all comes down to taxpayers expecting something (fire, ambulance) for a tax burden of nothing. So they are reluctant to move beyond the simpleton volunteer model. Ironically, these taxpayers who think they are soooo burdened now have never been taxed to the degree other people have. They face a financial hangnail, and they think its the end of the world.
Hell yeah we scream so we don't end up like you trying to get away from a crappy government. If you don't like it here go back. It has been a constant battle for freedom here going all the way back to the over mountain men going to King's mountain.
your grandpappy was dumb

Jonesborough, TN

#12 Sep 24, 2012
The answer is simple. The county needs to have a revolutionary war fire brigade, you know, with the fire wagon pushed up the street to the fire scene by humans, for those lovers of the revolutionary war times. Those people who love all that old timey stuff can be the recipients of an old timey fire fighting solution. The rest of us living in the 21st century will have a speedier fire response with fire trucks, sophisticated life support equipment, and all that.
Resident of Hawkins Co

Kingsport, TN

#13 Sep 26, 2012
There is more to the story that what is being told to the public. That is the way that it is with all things connected with county government here. If and when this happens the residents will be forced to accept what was decided behind closed doors. Someone has an agenda and a personal gain if this happens.
so modern

United States

#14 Sep 26, 2012
your grandpappy was dumb wrote:
The answer is simple. The county needs to have a revolutionary war fire brigade, you know, with the fire wagon pushed up the street to the fire scene by humans, for those lovers of the revolutionary war times. Those people who love all that old timey stuff can be the recipients of an old timey fire fighting solution. The rest of us living in the 21st century will have a speedier fire response with fire trucks, sophisticated life support equipment, and all that.
Till we become thoroughly modern and have full time professional
firefighters that are on strike whenever you need them.
Just a thought

Kingsport, TN

#16 Sep 28, 2012
It would be nice to have full time professional firefighters. However does anyone realize that an all volunteer department can be as professional.

If each department would have a set training schedule and require that the members be there and have this to rotate around the county from department to department then each area would have the same training and be familiar with each departments ability's and disability's.

There needs to be mandatory training period.
Feel Good

Monterey, TN

#17 Sep 28, 2012
Just a thought wrote:
It would be nice to have full time professional firefighters. However does anyone realize that an all volunteer department can be as professional.
If each department would have a set training schedule and require that the members be there and have this to rotate around the county from department to department then each area would have the same training and be familiar with each departments ability's and disability's.
There needs to be mandatory training period.
They do have training on a regular base.
justice

Kingsport, TN

#18 Sep 29, 2012
move out let them have that one hore,town.those county people do not know how to run anything.
Just a thought

Sevierville, TN

#19 Oct 1, 2012
Feel Good wrote:
<quoted text>They do have training on a regular base.
Okay. Then the questions become.
1. How many show up for the training?
2. Does the training cover what they are needing to get better on?
3. Do they train with other departments?
4. Do they require members attend the training?
5. Do they allow members that will not attend the training sessions to remain as members?
6. Do they try to pattern themselves after a professional department?
7. Do they bring personnel in that have knowledge and experience in what they are training on?

8. Or do they just set around the fire hall and have one of the members talk about what they need to do on a call?

9. Or do they have class room training and then go outside and practice what they have learned in the class.

If the answer to anyone of the above questions is no. Then they are not training.

I know some on here will think that this is a smart a$$ed answer. But stop and think about it. Is this how training is done when you start employment at a new place.
a thought

Morristown, TN

#20 Oct 1, 2012
justice wrote:
move out let them have that one hore,town.those county people do not know how to run anything.
I have never heard of a town that had just one "hore."
I da Ho

United States

#21 Oct 1, 2012
justice wrote:
move out let them have that one hore,town.those county people do not know how to run anything.
There is more than one hore in this town, obviously you do not frequent the higher class establishments. These county people run some very successful meth labs and food stamp fraud is a county wide
loosely organized crime success.

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