Why don't we just make smoking illegal?

[Steveb]

Lil Ticked wrote:

<quoted text>Well thank you for sharing that little tid bit about yourself but could you please stick to the topic.

"Truthhurtz" needs to keep his mommy on a leash.

[just candid]

Steveb wrote:

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Oh boy picky one, i forgot the e. No doubt you've never done that. Let me guess...You're clearly one of those people who sounds like you don't fully understand the benefits of marijuana? Do you still believe what your government made up about 70 some years ago when it come out with "Reefer Madness" and said you will go crazy and kill your mother and or wife if you smoke it? It's called bulls*it racial propaganda and a scare tactic that the government hopes people (like you) remember for the rest of there lives. I'm simply suggesting that people take the time to understand the truth on how this plant can help make life better for the people who need alternative medicine. Harry J. Anslinger was one of the biggest ignorant liars of his day. Can't argue with facts. Sorry for any gramatical errors picky one and look forward to your reply.

I know this post was directed to 'baw humbug' but i'd like to toss in my two cents. I don't use MJ or think using it is such a great idea. However i'm sure it has it's place amd can help some people who need it. Most people arn't aware how important a crop "hemp" once was. Infact till nylon rope came along most rope was made from hemp. Quess who pushed for getting hemp outlawed?

[Truthhurtz]

Steveb wrote:

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"Truthhurtz" needs to keep his mommy on a leash.

Aww Stevey did I hurt your feelings?
My mommy on a leash? Sounds like another one of your sick fantasies boy.

Hope that throat surgery went well for you.

[Steveb]

Truthhurtz wrote:

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Aww Stevey did I hurt your feelings?
My mommy on a leash? Sounds like another one of your sick fantasies boy.
Hope that throat surgery went well for you.

Hurt my feelings?!? Jeez, i guess you got me. Not everyone can be as clever and inconsequential as you.

[Truthhurtz]

Steveb wrote:

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Hurt my feelings?!? Jeez, i guess you got me. Not everyone can be as clever and inconsequential as you.

Steve thanks for admitting your ahemmm short comings.
Buck up little soldier.
Remember one thing.Eventually as time progresses you will no longer occupy the left side of the evolutionary chart.
Hell man thats why they call it evolution.

[vnbushman]

I'm 65 years old. I started smoking when I was 7 years old. Then I quit during my high school football seasons. Joined the Marines and started smoking again. I've smoked ever since 1963.

I haven't been in a bar or club since the new 2007 Minnesota smoking ban or laws went into effect. I hope all of you do gooders are happy seating in the smoke free bars.

I know I'm saving money because I no longer go to bars or VFW clubs. As for health problems I'm doing fine. But thanks for caring about me. I'll continue to smoke as long as I can offord it. Because I happen to enjoy smoking.

I should also add that I don't believe most of the crap they say about smoking. If I did I'd probably quit. But ever since Viet Nam, I no longer trust the U.S. government.

If you stop to think about it. You'll realize that most everything they (the government) says, is a lie. Including: the 55 stay alive speed limit laws, no fault auto insurance would be cheaper and save our lives, the seat-belt laws, are a total bunch of bull, and the other laws they've shoved down our thoats these past 45 years. But if you want to keep following this government, you go right ahead. As for me, I'll continue thinking for myself, and reading between the lines.

[Felix the Wonderful Cat]

vnbushman wrote:

I'm 65 years old. I started smoking when I was 7 years old. Then I quit during my high school football seasons. Joined the Marines and started smoking again. I've smoked ever since 1963.
I haven't been in a bar or club since the new 2007 Minnesota smoking ban or laws went into effect. I hope all of you do gooders are happy seating in the smoke free bars.
I know I'm saving money because I no longer go to bars or VFW clubs. As for health problems I'm doing fine. But thanks for caring about me. I'll continue to smoke as long as I can offord it. Because I happen to enjoy smoking.
I should also add that I don't believe most of the crap they say about smoking. If I did I'd probably quit. But ever since Viet Nam, I no longer trust the U.S. government.
If you stop to think about it. You'll realize that most everything they (the government) says, is a lie. Including: the 55 stay alive speed limit laws, no fault auto insurance would be cheaper and save our lives, the seat-belt laws, are a total bunch of bull, and the other laws they've shoved down our thoats these past 45 years. But if you want to keep following this government, you go right ahead. As for me, I'll continue thinking for myself, and reading between the lines.

I have to say I agree with you on everything except not frequenting the pubs....Why should the decent, hardworking, small businessman, the bar owner, suffer. The government knew that the ban will kill his business. I fight back by helping the small business stay afloat.

[Freedom]

Felix the Wonderful Cat wrote:

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I have to say I agree with you on everything except not frequenting the pubs....Why should the decent, hardworking, small businessman, the bar owner, suffer. The government knew that the ban will kill his business. I fight back by helping the small business stay afloat.

The owners who really deserve support are the ones with the courage to tell this new group of self righteous moral busybodies to take a hike.

Remember why prohibition failed?

There are many owners with such courage...and they are the ones who really need our help.

[discusseded]

That would be, lack of technology adequate to enforcement and reliance on moralizing rather than science as a premise for eliciting compliance/support?

Maybe the fact that organized crime was making money and people were being killed? Well, the main tobacco companies are RICO violators and hundreds of thousands of people are being killed every year by their activities. Seems like these should be reasons it will work.

[Mark]

I'm sure big tobacco would like it to be illegal so they could be as rich as the other south American drug kingpins. Here's a better idea: Repeal portions of the 1911 Food & Drug Act to decriminalize drug use. That's the way to destroy the drug kingpins' market. Then it would pay them more to grow coffee.

[discusseded]

The shelf life of a nicotine fix is so short that continual use is required. That sort of frequency would make it difficult to hide the illegal activity, particularly given the stench it gives off.

A widespread black market in tobacco products is only feasible when SOME smoking is permitted, so that the illegal products can be hidden among the legal during use. Making smoking absolutely illegal would make it too hard to smoke clandestinely.

Still, telling tens of millions of addicts that they have "just said 'no'" would create too many problems. Treat the epidemic of nicotine addiction first, then outlaw tobacco. It's the only reasonable approach.

Meanwhile, execute all the tobacco company execs who knowingly engaged in the fraud that led to the RICO convictions, because they are hideous mass murderers.

[PreachingToTheGa rbage]

discusseded wrote:

The shelf life of a nicotine fix is so short that continual use is required. That sort of frequency would make it difficult to hide the illegal activity, particularly given the stench it gives off.
A widespread black market in tobacco products is only feasible when SOME smoking is permitted, so that the illegal products can be hidden among the legal during use. Making smoking absolutely illegal would make it too hard to smoke clandestinely.
Still, telling tens of millions of addicts that they have "just said 'no'" would create too many problems. Treat the epidemic of nicotine addiction first, then outlaw tobacco. It's the only reasonable approach.
Meanwhile, execute all the tobacco company execs who knowingly engaged in the fraud that led to the RICO convictions, because they are hideous mass murderers.

Garbage Out.

[Re-Bock]

vnbushman wrote:

I'm 65 years old. I started smoking when I was 7 years old. Then I quit during my high school football seasons. Joined the Marines and started smoking again. I've smoked ever since 1963.
I haven't been in a bar or club since the new 2007 Minnesota smoking ban or laws went into effect. I hope all of you do gooders are happy seating in the smoke free bars.
I know I'm saving money because I no longer go to bars or VFW clubs. As for health problems I'm doing fine. But thanks for caring about me. I'll continue to smoke as long as I can offord it. Because I happen to enjoy smoking.
I should also add that I don't believe most of the crap they say about smoking. If I did I'd probably quit. But ever since Viet Nam, I no longer trust the U.S. government.
If you stop to think about it. You'll realize that most everything they (the government) says, is a lie. Including: the 55 stay alive speed limit laws, no fault auto insurance would be cheaper and save our lives, the seat-belt laws, are a total bunch of bull, and the other laws they've shoved down our thoats these past 45 years. But if you want to keep following this government, you go right ahead. As for me, I'll continue thinking for myself, and reading between the lines.

Isn't it a little obvious though that inhaling smoke from a burning plant that has been soaked in hundreds of chemicals is bad for you? Granted the government is untrustworthy and I believe about 5% of anything they say, but the fact remains that tabacco has hundreds of additives and checmicals to go along with the carbon that is caused from burning it.. It is bad for you, but I concede that it is your right to smoke and nobody dhould be able to make that decision for you.. As far as the 11 year old is concerned; I am very sorry that her parents are selfish enough to smoke around her; I would hope for her sake when she turns 18 she can move into a place iof her own that has not been smoked in and hopefully reclaim her lungs as her own.. God speeed to all of you!

[Chev Chelios]

You think the Al Gore family would ever let this happen? That sactimonious phony pyscho and his family have made billions from Americans dying from tobacco. Make that fat fruit sit in a smoke filled room for a few hours a day and see what that parasite says then. That is if he isnt in a psych ward by then.

[discusseded]

Chev Chelios wrote:

You think the Al Gore family would ever let this happen? That sactimonious phony pyscho and his family have made billions from Americans dying from tobacco. Make that fat fruit sit in a smoke filled room for a few hours a day and see what that parasite says then. That is if he isnt in a psych ward by then.

I doubt very seriously that loss of the tobacco-derived portion of Gore's income would be any serious inconvenience, even if there were not a more socially useful crop to replace it with.

[Owl Gore]

OWL Gore moved on to bigger and better scams...

Lehman Brothers Close Ties to Gore, Hansen and Carbon Trading


http://icecap.us/index.php/go/political-clima...

Al Gore’s carbon trading business GIM was banked with Lehman Bros. It will be interesting to see how this will play in the future but I suspect that this increases the risk of participating in Carbon trading. Merrill Lynch, was also deeply involved in this business.

Last year Lehman Brothers released a long and highly publicized report about climate change in which they preached about decarbonization, trying to make their investors keep getting high profits from the Kyoto carbon trade scheme and the support of huge public subventions. All that, of course, with the applause of the usual choir of politicians, the entire media and the Greens.

A year ago they couldn’t predict their bankruptcy but were predicting the climate 100 years ahead. Thousands of green militants have been using the Lehman report as a proof of global warming and impending chaos. Lehman Bros said it! sacred words! Its scientific advisor is James Hansen! The report is the basis for policies on climate change in Spain, Argentina and several other countries playing the progress game; it is used by economy professors playing the climatologists; by newspapers editorials, and even by a State Secretary: Lehman Bros, said it!

[Lil Ticked]

Owl Gore wrote:

OWL Gore moved on to bigger and better scams...
Lehman Brothers Close Ties to Gore, Hansen and Carbon Trading
http://icecap.us/index.php/go/political-clima...
Al Gore’s carbon trading business GIM was banked with Lehman Bros. It will be interesting to see how this will play in the future but I suspect that this increases the risk of participating in Carbon trading. Merrill Lynch, was also deeply involved in this business.
Last year Lehman Brothers released a long and highly publicized report about climate change in which they preached about decarbonization, trying to make their investors keep getting high profits from the Kyoto carbon trade scheme and the support of huge public subventions. All that, of course, with the applause of the usual choir of politicians, the entire media and the Greens.
A year ago they couldn’t predict their bankruptcy but were predicting the climate 100 years ahead. Thousands of green militants have been using the Lehman report as a proof of global warming and impending chaos. Lehman Bros said it! sacred words! Its scientific advisor is James Hansen! The report is the basis for policies on climate change in Spain, Argentina and several other countries playing the progress game; it is used by economy professors playing the climatologists; by newspapers editorials, and even by a State Secretary: Lehman Bros, said it!

The world has been getting warmer and the glaciers have been receding since the last ice-age. I wonder how they plan on making all of the plants and animals stop producing carbon?

[The Golf Guy]

Taking out the trash wrote:

All I keep hearing is if you don't want to be around smokers don't hang out in bars. You all must be a bunch of drunks too. I wonder how many smokers who are most likely drunks as well kill innocent people in drunk driving accidents every year. I bet it's higher than non-smokers. Stupid people, all of you. My grandmother, aunts, and great aunts were all stupid too, just like you and they're dead from being stupid. 5 FAMILY MEMBERS OF MINE DIED in their 50's AND 60'S of lung cancer. We, as young children, get to watch as people we love die in agonizing pain; one right after the other. Thanks for the memories, Grandma. You were sick most of my life. Glad you chose those cigarettes like the rest of the idiotic smokers out there and let us be subjected to your gruesome deaths and the second-hand smoke. Too bad when you were shot up with morphine, you couldn't lift another cigarette to your lips. Oh, such heartbreak. You wouldn't think about the family you were leaving behind, would you? Just keep smoking up until your last few days on Earth. I LEARNED FROM THOSE WHO WENT BEFORE ME, so I don't smoke. STUPID PEOPLE DO. Oh, and Grandma, thanks for the asthma I get to deal with for the rest of my life because I was raised around a family who smoked like chimneys. I would never do that to the family members I loved. But, you smokers think it's only your life you're f'ing with. I can't wait until you've smoked your voices away, then I don't have to listen the uneducated garbage you spew from those nasty lungs of yours. Yeah, I'm sick of that nasty smell that seeps from your nasty pores too. Don't brush past me in the store anymore, so I have to smell that nasty funk. I hope I make you all furious, so you'll just keep ranting and raving, wasting more of your lives and breath fighting for something stupid. You'll smoke more, because that's what you all do when someone makes you mad or stressed. Smoke enough to give your children asthma, so that they can blame you for their sufferings. Sounds like a wonderful life :-) I won't be back looking over the replies because writing this was more of a waste of time then I wanted to spend on worthless garbage like you. But, I actually feel much better now getting all of that off my "healthy chest." Glad you worthless people can be my punching bag. MORONS!!

That was a touching tribute.