Should School Classrooms Be Neat

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RockwallHillbill y

Mckinney, TX

#1 Nov 26, 2009
A walk through at an elementary school revealed a very messy class room. So many papers on the windows the light barely came into the room. The teacher's desk looked like a city dump and there were boxes and stacks of appear everywhere.Should the classrooms at least have an appearance of neatness? What do students learn from such a messy environment? Just wonder if her house and car reflect such sloppiness?
notnitpicker

United States

#2 Nov 26, 2009
RockwallHillbilly wrote:
A walk through at an elementary school revealed a very messy class room. So many papers on the windows the light barely came into the room. The teacher's desk looked like a city dump and there were boxes and stacks of appear everywhere.Should the classrooms at least have an appearance of neatness? What do students learn from such a messy environment? Just wonder if her house and car reflect such sloppiness?
OMG Don't you have anything better to bitch about? HELICOPTER PARENT! Return to base! I repeat! Return to base! Go micromanage somewhere else!!!! GET A LIFE! Go volunteer your time somewhere if you do not have enough to do except complain about this!
Teacher

Garland, TX

#3 Nov 26, 2009
I have a messy classroom - a super-messy classroom. I only know that it wasn't my room being referred to because I don't have anything on my windows and I don't have a desk.

I do feel bad about my lack of organizational skills and do often wonder how much of that rubs off on the students. What I have noticed though, is that the students who are organized are organized no matter what and those that aren't, well, they won't be learning any organizational skills from me.
Does that affect my teaching? I don't think so. I focus on creating really exciting learning experiences that drive the student to want to learn. Usually, when I can't find something, my kids know where it is and they take me to it.

If that is what you are most concerned about RockwallHillbilly, then why not offer your time to help organize. I would open my arms up to you!
Local Greenville Dude

Dallas, TX

#4 Nov 27, 2009
RockwallHillbilly wrote:
A walk through at an elementary school revealed a very messy class room. So many papers on the windows the light barely came into the room. The teacher's desk looked like a city dump and there were boxes and stacks of appear everywhere.Should the classrooms at least have an appearance of neatness? What do students learn from such a messy environment? Just wonder if her house and car reflect such sloppiness?
Did you mention this "messy environment" and "sloppiness" to the teacher's supervisor/principal? Or did you just want to come on here and gossip? Being disorganized isn't necessarily a sign of non-productivity (is that a word?). It is a sign the person values other aspects of their job more. It could be the teacher is more directly involved with his/her students and takes less time cleaning.
Or it could be the teacher is, indeed, a slob.
Either way, if it bugs you that much, you should have contacted the principal, who may have told you a sloppy teacher is better than having a bad teacher, or no teacher at all. There is a shortage these days.
tee

Fort Worth, TX

#5 Nov 29, 2009
I am more concerned with what my kids are learning than what the teacher has on or around his/her desk.
RockwallHillbill y

Dallas, TX

#6 Nov 30, 2009
Thanks for all the comments. Some are right on target.I have now been advised there are guidelines that would prohibit total covering of the windows and likewise guidelines on keeping fire exits clear for the children's exits. Rather than me volunteer it was suggested that the Fire Marshall handle this one before some student is injured.Sounds like a great idea. About the quality of the teaching ---wouldn't you be a little suspect with such a dirty , disorganized class room?
RHHS ex teacher

Ardmore, OK

#7 Dec 2, 2009
I usually had a neat classroom, but there were days when teaching actually took so much time that the desk got messy. I'd likely think this was a sign that the teacher was so hands-on that they weren't at their desk all day...you don't want a teacher at a desk all day, trust me.
Whoa

United States

#8 Dec 6, 2009
I don't particularly think the classroom has to be neat as it MUST be clean. Cleaning can be done when the children are out of class.
momofthree

Rockwall, TX

#9 Dec 30, 2009
Wow, notnitpicker, angry much? Not sure why you needed to insult a concerned parent. Hope you are not a teacher my children will ever have! RockwallHillbill y.. I totally agree with you... is it that hard to tidy up a desk? The amount of organization a teacher has, speaks loudly about the quality of education the children are receiving. Children will do better in an organized environment. I know I always feel better in a neat and orderly place. Too much of a mess seems chaotic to me-of course I blame my OCD for that JK :)
rockwallmom

Mesquite, TX

#10 Jan 2, 2010
momofthree wrote:
Wow, notnitpicker, angry much? Not sure why you needed to insult a concerned parent. Hope you are not a teacher my children will ever have! RockwallHillbill y.. I totally agree with you... is it that hard to tidy up a desk? The amount of organization a teacher has, speaks loudly about the quality of education the children are receiving. Children will do better in an organized environment. I know I always feel better in a neat and orderly place. Too much of a mess seems chaotic to me-of course I blame my OCD for that JK :)
My son is in the first grade and at parents night I walked in his class and could only stay a few minutes. The teacher had covered every inch on all 4 walls. It made me nervous just trying to take in all this JUNK. She has way to much junk on her walls. I just want my child taught not entertained with pictures on the wall all day. Knowing my son, he will proably day dream half the day away looking at all the junk on the walls. Whats next for this teacher, the ceiling or the floor?? Shouldn't there be a limit on the amount of JUNK that can be put on the walls in our schools?
RockwallHillbill y

Dallas, TX

#11 Jan 21, 2010
rockwallmom---Thanks so much for your posting. I thought for a while it was just a few of us worried about nothing. The more I talk with folks I have not found many that believes a teacher's classroom needs to look like a dump. The condition of the classroom says a lot about a teacher from her teaching, her preparation, her homework assignments, her ability to pull her share of school wide activities outside the classroom, the car she drives and the home she keeps. Is it all messy? Is it all disorganized? Is it just too much for that person? Perhaps she would be better off as a greeter somewhere or maybe cooking hamburgers at the local fast food place. Teaching my children I don't believe is what she should be doing.And perhaps it is not her fault. She is just at the wrong place! Those fully covered walls in a classroom should never be. What a distraction! The other teachers must be ashamed.I feel for them.
Republican Vote

Dallas, TX

#13 Jan 25, 2010
get a life!
LKS

Brooklyn, NY

#14 Nov 3, 2010
RockwallHillbilly wrote:
rockwallmom---Thanks so much for your posting. I thought for a while it was just a few of us worried about nothing. The more I talk with folks I have not found many that believes a teacher's classroom needs to look like a dump. The condition of the classroom says a lot about a teacher from her teaching, her preparation, her homework assignments, her ability to pull her share of school wide activities outside the classroom, the car she drives and the home she keeps. Is it all messy? Is it all disorganized? Is it just too much for that person? Perhaps she would be better off as a greeter somewhere or maybe cooking hamburgers at the local fast food place. Teaching my children I don't believe is what she should be doing.And perhaps it is not her fault. She is just at the wrong place! Those fully covered walls in a classroom should never be. What a distraction! The other teachers must be ashamed.I feel for them.
Shame on you for thinking you have the right to judge a teacher! Some of the GREATEST and most Gifted teachers are much more interested in actually BEING with and TEACHING the children instead of obsessively cleaning all day. Why don't you go get a Masters degree and spend your day in a room with 20+ little ones....if the classroom is neat and clean all the time I PROMISE you those children are not active and engaged learners....how sad! I would pull my child right out of a consistently neat and overly "clean" classroom. When children come home from school they should be a mess, clothes dirty!! Read the NAEYC's articles on messy play and how important it is....loosen up and find something better to do than trash teachers....unless you have taught you have NO idea how challenging a profession it really is.....especially if you are doing it "right" and letting the kids and classroom get messy! It's people like you I would LOVE to lock in a room with the kids all day....your head would SPIN! YOU should definitely stick to flipping burgers or being a greeter or maybe a house cleaner.
Wondering

Garland, TX

#15 Nov 6, 2010
I know a teacher who has a very neat classroom. She sits at her desk and hands out worksheets from her desk.(She teaches 1st grade). She gets on facebook during the day, grades papers while at recess and texts during recess. When she was getting married, her desk was really neat because she was spending all of her time there organizing for her wedding. Lord help us when she gets pregnant. However, on the upside - VERY NEAT and ORGANIZED classroom!
rockwall taxpayer

Dallas, TX

#16 Nov 17, 2010
LKS, Being a taxpayer gives me the right to expect more and demand more from my school district. Why dont you stay in NY since you fine folks up there have such a great system. The taxpayers of Texas pay a great deal in school taxes and we should expect higher returns.
LKS wrote:
<quoted text>Shame on you for thinking you have the right to judge a teacher! Some of the GREATEST and most Gifted teachers are much more interested in actually BEING with and TEACHING the children instead of obsessively cleaning all day. Why don't you go get a Masters degree and spend your day in a room with 20+ little ones....if the classroom is neat and clean all the time I PROMISE you those children are not active and engaged learners....how sad! I would pull my child right out of a consistently neat and overly "clean" classroom. When children come home from school they should be a mess, clothes dirty!! Read the NAEYC's articles on messy play and how important it is....loosen up and find something better to do than trash teachers....unless you have taught you have NO idea how challenging a profession it really is.....especially if you are doing it "right" and letting the kids and classroom get messy! It's people like you I would LOVE to lock in a room with the kids all day....your head would SPIN! YOU should definitely stick to flipping burgers or being a greeter or maybe a house cleaner.

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