'Mass' disease feared

'Mass' disease feared

There are 46 comments on the New York Post story from Jan 4, 2011, titled 'Mass' disease feared. In it, New York Post reports that:

Hundreds of worshippers may have been exposed to the hepatitis A virus while receiving Holy Communion at a Long Island Catholic church on Christmas morning, officials said.

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Our Father

White Plains, NY

#21 Jan 12, 2011
the whole mass is unsanitary. Skipping communion from now on.
Pax et Bonum

Cleveland, OH

#22 Jan 12, 2011
Peter Parker wrote:
The amount of bacteria on an unwashed hand is significant. Consider that a eucharistic minister does not wash his hands immediately before distributing communion, this could be a source of infection of a communicable disease, like hepatitis. When you drink from a shared cup, the potential of disease is multipled by the dozens of people sipping from the same cup. This is why the church stopped the practice during the flu epidemic last year.
Your comment about "healthy immune systems" is silly, considering the number of older communicants who have compromised immune systems.
This isn't to dissuade people from receiving a sacrament, it's for any thinking person to consider. Burying your head in the sand won't make the problem of potentially spreading an infectious disease through unsanitary religious practices go away.
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Again we are talking about a thumb and forefinger touching a host and not a whole hand. True there is a risk from drinking from a shared cup but I still contend that someone with a healthy immune system will have little or no ill effects. "Older communicants" people no doubt get to be "older communicants" because their immune systems are functioning normally otherwise they would more than likely not be "elderly" in the first place. Flu epidemics are a situation where the Church wisely will set aside the practice of the shared cup. Fortunately this is not a problem unless there is a flu epidemic. As a thinking person with no sand on my head I have read up on religious practices that could cause infection and found them to be less of a problem than the fact that I have children who get sick. I also work with children who are often sick. Would you propose that people stop having children or find employment that doesn't mean they have to work with children?
Our Father

White Plains, NY

#23 Jan 12, 2011
Hep A goes by a fecal/oral route. Ya know what that means?! Communion is unsanitary.
Peter Parker

Amityville, NY

#24 Jan 12, 2011
Atually in healthcare facilities, anyone coming in contact with patient is either require to scrub or use alcohol wipes in between patients. If the church even instituted a policy of having extraordinary minister wash their hands with soap and water, the chance ot spreading infectious diseases declines radically.
Pax et Bonum wrote:
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Again we are talking about a thumb and forefinger touching a host and not a whole hand. True there is a risk from drinking from a shared cup but I still contend that someone with a healthy immune system will have little or no ill effects. "Older communicants" people no doubt get to be "older communicants" because their immune systems are functioning normally otherwise they would more than likely not be "elderly" in the first place. Flu epidemics are a situation where the Church wisely will set aside the practice of the shared cup. Fortunately this is not a problem unless there is a flu epidemic. As a thinking person with no sand on my head I have read up on religious practices that could cause infection and found them to be less of a problem than the fact that I have children who get sick. I also work with children who are often sick. Would you propose that people stop having children or find employment that doesn't mean they have to work with children?
Pax et Bonum

Cleveland, OH

#25 Jan 12, 2011
Peter Parker wrote:
Atually in healthcare facilities, anyone coming in contact with patient is either require to scrub or use alcohol wipes in between patients. If the church even instituted a policy of having extraordinary minister wash their hands with soap and water, the chance ot spreading infectious diseases declines radically.
<quoted text>
I believe most Extraordinary Ministers of Communion knowing they are going to distribute Communion do this without a written policy in place. Write the pope and have him do this though if this will help ease your mind. Again this article on worshippers exposure to hepatitis infection because of an Extraordinary Minister made the news because this does not happen very often. If it took place all the time it wouldn't have gotten any notice. "Declines radically" meaning going from closer to seldom to next to seldom in occurance?

“I hate watermelon!”

Since: Dec 10

Stroudsburg, PA

#26 Jan 12, 2011
We don't drink from the same glass/cup when we have company - I think that would be unsanitary.
Itzik

Mount Vernon, NY

#27 Jan 12, 2011
Extrapolating from Mr. Dolan's remarks, if Msgr. Lisante does not offer Mass and distribute Communion for a few weeks, the mystery may resolve itself.

Even if this matter is cleared up in a short time, the decision by Rockville Centre diocesan officials to withhold the name, or at the very least, the possible clerical status, of the virus carrier remains highly suspect. Operating from a hunch, I wonder if the social stigma attached to hepatitis A is keeping the local hierarchy from revealing any further details. Most of the affected parishioners, I'm sure, would be very generous about forgiving someone for a possible lapse of personal hygiene and would have a good deal of sympathy towards a victim of food-borne illness.

Problem is, though, this isn't just a case of someone eating bad sushi. The grim facts are that there are two other, far more disreputable ways to contract hepatitis A: through unsanitary intravenous drug use and through the act of sodomy which actually accounts for the predominant number of hepatitis A cases in the United States.

Because of this highly significant connection in an age where clerical scandals have been consistently and systematically concealed with the full knowledge and collaboration of high Church officials, the parishioners at Our Lady of Lourdes deserve to be told the truth about this incident so they may form their own judgements about the matter.

If, God forbid, the pastor is indeed the Christmas Day HAV Carrier, as any careful observer might reasonably hypothesize given the circumstantial evidence above, that fact ought to be immediately divulged, no matter what potentially sordid and disastrous implications may result from the revelation.

(But knowing the actions of this Bishop, who as the shepherd of RVC, should be doing all to protect his flock, he hides the truth, and attacks
those who expose the truth, and calls them Liars,
ala the Blockley situation, and his columny letter.
What happened to "And the truth will set you free?"
Itzik

Mount Vernon, NY

#28 Jan 12, 2011

Thursday, January 6, 2011The Crisis At OLL Deepens
Newsday has just reported that the Nassau County Dept. of Health has officially expanded the number of parishioners exposed to Hepatitis A at Our Lady of Lourdes to include people who received Holy Communion at the 1:30 pm Mass on Christmas Day and the five scheduled Masses the next day.

Apparently, the HAV carrier touched a number of consecrated hosts that were mixed in with a larger number of hosts and distributed at subsequent Masses.

In the prior post I discussed the various news quotes which identify the hepatitis-infected person as being male and a priest who was present at both the 10:30 and noon Christmas Day masses. The information from today's Newsday confirms that the carrier was probably a priest because the priest celebrating the mass is typically the one who empties the ciboria and combines all the remaining consecrated hosts after Communion, from my recollection of the post-Communion ritual.

Perhaps someone should be investigating these further possibilities which may expand the risk of contamination even more:

If the infected person is a priest and is perhaps the monsignor, it is his usual custom to shake hands, kiss and hug exiting parishioners on his lengthy receiving line after Mass. This kind of contact is obviously even more risky than receiving a possibly contaminated host.

Since it has been documented that HAV-infected persons are more contagious in the weeks before exhibiting symptoms, it is highly possible that the HAV carrier at OLL has been potentially contaminating parishioners for several weeks prior to Christmas.
Is anyone else besides me beginning to think that this contamination crisis has the potential to become even bigger and more involved???

Given the information Newsday provided today, consider this hypothetical possibility:

If the pastor is the Christmas Day HAV Carrier and was contagious for several weeks before Christmas, then he could have contaminated and re-contaminated the entire parish several times over.
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Labels: Bishop Murphy, Christmas Day, Communion, Diocese of Rockville Centre, hepatitis A, Massapequa Park, msgr. lisante
Hepatitis A Cover-Up on Long Island?
Although practically the whole world knows there was a Hepatitis A infection alert at Our Lady of Lourdes Church in Massapequa Park, Long Island, this past week, questions still linger.

Some pertinent facts stand out that have been overlooked in the media blitz of attention focused on this modest suburban parish in the last three days. By weaving these news items together with anecdotal evidence from a few parishioners, it's possible to arrive at a tentative theory about the identity of the Christmas Day HAV Carrier.

Why is this important? While it's usually appropriate to protect the privacy of the individual concerned, revealing more details in this case could help narrow considerably the scope of the potential contamination and reduce the number of people who receive vaccinations. Not specifying if the carrier was a priest or a layperson is an injustice to the uninfected category since they will automatically be suspected of being carriers. Finally, there is an obligation in justice to the parishioners to know if one of their priests was the person responsible for the infection scare.

Anecdotal evidence:
From what I've been told by two OLL parishioners, both of whose accounts coincide exactly, Fr. Edward Seagriff, one of the associate pastors, informed the congregation at his Mass the weekend before Christmas that Msgr. James Lisante, the pastor of Our Lady of Lourdes, was suffering from a stomach virus and was so indisposed he would not be celebrating Mass the next week. Despite this announcement, Msgr. Lisante apparently recovered enough to celebrate two Masses on Christmas Day.
Itzik

Mount Vernon, NY

#29 Jan 12, 2011
The Face of Hepatitis in America?

At yesterday's 9 am Mass at Our Lady of Lourdes, one of the priests in residence, Fr. Cletus Nwaogwugwu, a Nigerian priest who serves as hospital chaplain at area hospitals, described in his sermon the chain of events last week that led to him being mistakenly identified as "the face of hepatitis in America."

He explained that last Monday when news of the hepatitis contamination scare broke, he was approached by the media for permission to film his 8 pm Mass in the Our Lady of Lourdes School chapel. He refused permission so CBS News filmed part of the Mass through the glass windows on the chapel doors.

Fr. Cletus said he began receiving phone calls from friends asking him if he was sick. At that point he was confused by the flurry of attention over his health, though he finally realized, to his dismay, that he was suspected to be the HAV carrier because of his chance exposure on the CBS news video here:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/ny-church-deli...

It goes without saying that an immediate and thorough investigation of this matter should be conducted at once so this conscientious and exemplary priest may be instantly absolved of any association with the HAV contamination scare.

In the previous blog posts, I describe how various news sources revealed that the HAV carrier was 1) a man, 2) a member of the clergy, and 3) was present at both of the fateful masses on Christmas Day. It has also been revealed that the HAV carrier combined the consecrated hosts into one ciborium after communion.(It should be noted that at Our Lady of Lourdes, this is the usual function of the celebrating priest in the post-communion rite.) Upon learning of the mixing of the hosts, health officials expanded the original possibility of contamination to 5 more subsequent Masses the following day and a much larger range of people than was first supposed.

Several eyewitnesses have confirmed that the pastor, Msgr. James Lisante, celebrated both fateful Masses on Christmas Day---a fact that was confirmed by Sean Dolan, the diocesan spokesman, who stated that Msgr. Lisante "was involved in the communion process" at both masses. Most fascinating of all, an associate pastor at the parish, Fr. Ed Seagriff, announced the Sunday before Christmas that Msgr. Lisante was ill at that time with "a stomach virus," which most observers will recognize is consistent with the symptoms of Hepatitis A.

For those able to connect the dots, there are enough questions here to raise some disturbing speculations. Because it was revealed by the Mary Ellen Laurain, the spokeswoman for the Nassau County Department of Health that the carrier was a clergy member, the parish deserves in justice to know which one of the clergy serving their parish is the carrier in order to clear the other priests in the parish of any involvement in this unfortunate and disastrous incident.
N Bugers

Chicago, IL

#30 Jan 12, 2011
Hepatitis A in Massapequa thats no suprise that drug den has it all.All my cousin that lived in Massapequa got hooked on drugs and made a good life in jail.
That town looks nice from the out side buts it is home to the biggest drug delaers and now gives Hepititis A B C for free.
Holly C you got A

Glen Rock, NJ

#31 Jan 15, 2011
Holly communion you got Hepititis A from lady of the lords church? Yikes. You better pray more in Massapequa the lord must have striked down this on yo all.
Peter Parker

Bronx, NY

#32 Jan 15, 2011
Wow, Itzik.. What an accusation!
W T F

Wayne, NJ

#33 Jan 16, 2011
"Itzik" - Wow, you certainly seem to following this case - to to "T". After all is said and done- I revert back to the original comment: Whoever this carrier is: did they know they had this BEFORE the masses were held? If the answer is yes: then they should be held accountable for possibly infecting parishoners. Anyone can get a stomach virus - it happens. But to knowingly perform a community function, while you are still ill & contagious - well, I guess someone needs to go to confession...
Holly hepititis

Glen Rock, NJ

#34 Jan 16, 2011
Holly Hepititis A in Massapeqia Park, North of the LIRR Tracks. Is this the place where the little boy was touched and the cover up happened. Hmmm Karma.
Peter Parker

Bronx, NY

#35 Jan 16, 2011
Itzik has been carrying on a muli-year attack on Monsignor Lisante on another Topix thread, and has posted hundreds of anti Lisante messages. This is less about hepatitis for him and more about him exposing Lisante in one way or another.
W T F wrote:
"Itzik" - Wow, you certainly seem to following this case - to to "T". After all is said and done- I revert back to the original comment: Whoever this carrier is: did they know they had this BEFORE the masses were held? If the answer is yes: then they should be held accountable for possibly infecting parishoners. Anyone can get a stomach virus - it happens. But to knowingly perform a community function, while you are still ill & contagious - well, I guess someone needs to go to confession...
Holly hepititis

Glen Rock, NJ

#36 Jan 16, 2011
I am glad you can get Holly Communion and hepititis A in Lady of lords Church North of the LIRR tracks in Massapequa Park. You serve the community well pastor and monsinor
Itchy Watch

Bronx, NY

#37 Jan 16, 2011
Itzik wrote:
The Face of Hepatitis in America?
At yesterday's 9 am Mass at Our Lady of Lourdes, one of the priests in residence, Fr. Cletus Nwaogwugwu, a Nigerian priest who serves as hospital chaplain at area hospitals, described in his sermon the chain of events last week that led to him being mistakenly identified as "the face of hepatitis in America."
He explained that last Monday when news of the hepatitis contamination scare broke, he was approached by the media for permission to film his 8 pm Mass in the Our Lady of Lourdes School chapel. He refused permission so CBS News filmed part of the Mass through the glass windows on the chapel doors.
Fr. Cletus said he began receiving phone calls from friends asking him if he was sick. At that point he was confused by the flurry of attention over his health, though he finally realized, to his dismay, that he was suspected to be the HAV carrier because of his chance exposure on the CBS news video here:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/ny-church-deli...
It goes without saying that an immediate and thorough investigation of this matter should be conducted at once so this conscientious and exemplary priest may be instantly absolved of any association with the HAV contamination scare.
In the previous blog posts, I describe how various news sources revealed that the HAV carrier was 1) a man, 2) a member of the clergy, and 3) was present at both of the fateful masses on Christmas Day. It has also been revealed that the HAV carrier combined the consecrated hosts into one ciborium after communion.(It should be noted that at Our Lady of Lourdes, this is the usual function of the celebrating priest in the post-communion rite.) Upon learning of the mixing of the hosts, health officials expanded the original possibility of contamination to 5 more subsequent Masses the following day and a much larger range of people than was first supposed.
Several eyewitnesses have confirmed that the pastor, Msgr. James Lisante, celebrated both fateful Masses on Christmas Day---a fact that was confirmed by Sean Dolan, the diocesan spokesman, who stated that Msgr. Lisante "was involved in the communion process" at both masses. Most fascinating of all, an associate pastor at the parish, Fr. Ed Seagriff, announced the Sunday before Christmas that Msgr. Lisante was ill at that time with "a stomach virus," which most observers will recognize is consistent with the symptoms of Hepatitis A.
For those able to connect the dots, there are enough questions here to raise some disturbing speculations. Because it was revealed by the Mary Ellen Laurain, the spokeswoman for the Nassau County Department of Health that the carrier was a clergy member, the parish deserves in justice to know which one of the clergy serving their parish is the carrier in order to clear the other priests in the parish of any involvement in this unfortunate and disastrous incident.
Hey, moron, looks like you found another forum to spread your hate and lies and indulge in your conspiracy theories. You're a twisted old man who just can't handle the truth.
Holly hepititis

Glen Rock, NJ

#38 Jan 16, 2011
I am glad you can get Holly Communion and hepititis A in Lady of lords Church North of the LIRR tracks in Massapequa Park. You serve the community well pastor and monsinor - what a trashy town Massapequa Park.
Lady of Hepititis A

Chicago, IL

#40 Jan 17, 2011
Thanks for the free Hepititis A in the Lady of Lords Church in Massapequa Park NY.

“I hate watermelon!”

Since: Dec 10

Stroudsburg, PA

#41 Jan 17, 2011
Our Father wrote:
Hep A goes by a fecal/oral route. Ya know what that means?! Communion is unsanitary.
I read that "Christ's body" only lasts in a person's body for about 15 min. I bet the reason they say that is because it's unthinkable to have the Host in human waste. Honest, I bet that's why they say that.

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