Local GOP legislators expect veto override

Jun 14, 2011 Read more: Windsock 16

Despite going 0-for-five on previous vetoes this session, Republican legislators who represent Lenoir and neighboring counties hold firm in their belief that the General Assembly will override Gov.

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kko

Taylors, SC

#1 Jun 14, 2011
They should hold tight to their beliefs. Its time to cut wasteful spending.
caldwell guy

Columbia, SC

#2 Jun 14, 2011
I am no fan of Bev Pedue, but i also am not looking forward to a place where basic mental health, education and critical law enforcement like the highway patrol is gutted.
When public literacy and public safety is joyously cut, look out and don;t comaplain when our state seems like the 3rd world. There has to be a better balance between over spending and going back to a state of nature.
concerned citizen

Lenoir, NC

#3 Jun 14, 2011
The cowards are holding a special session tonight at midnight to try to vote and override the governor. They are doing this just hours before a huge lobby of educators are expected to be in Raleigh. We need new LEADERS!
caldwell guy

Columbia, SC

#4 Jun 14, 2011
It appears that every election the options to vote for or against just get worse and worse.
I would like for those who hate public education so much, plus the crippling of the community college system to just try to explain how this is beneficial to the future. Can they defend the indefensible?
get real

Lenoir, NC

#5 Jun 15, 2011
The cuts for education are hardly going to send us back to the stone age. There is a lot of fat that can and should be cut.
caldwell guy

United States

#6 Jun 15, 2011
I think a lot of folks would like to see the state return to the stone age. I cannot understand the glee in seeing classroom teachers and school personnel lose their jobs while the state is mired in a depression. In fact education was supported and expanded during the great depression, supported by both parties.
Community college funding should be expanded.
I do agree that top heavy administration should be trimmed.
koi

United States

#7 Jun 15, 2011
There is plenty of wasteful spending in the school systems and the community college. It is time that some of this fat is trimmed.
caldwell guy wrote:
I think a lot of folks would like to see the state return to the stone age. I cannot understand the glee in seeing classroom teachers and school personnel lose their jobs while the state is mired in a depression. In fact education was supported and expanded during the great depression, supported by both parties.
Community college funding should be expanded.
I do agree that top heavy administration should be trimmed.
caldwell guy

United States

#8 Jun 15, 2011
yeah but the fat is not being trimmed.
again, i am not hearing anything about trimming upper administration. I am not hearing anything about tackiling the godawful dept. of transportation which has been reported by reputable news sources as having billions in graft and payoffs and bribes.
This is the state budget but i say again, why are we as a nation sending documented billions to foriegn aid in places that hate us like Pakistan while our kids get their schools cut and we are swamped by the multitude of criminals that are paroled early and the legion of untreated mentally ill. We need to look after our national needs and our kids first.
Can it be ideology of the cutters who have an agenda against public and higher education?
The Truth

Knoxville, TN

#9 Jun 16, 2011
Support for GOOD education is one of the main things which will pull us out of our national depression. Throwing money away on "No Child Left Behind" programs is worse than a joke.

When the learning atmosphere in a classroom is destroyed by disruptive children, ALL kids suffer. We must address that situation to help our teachers be able to teach and not babysit brats.
caldwell guy

United States

#10 Jun 16, 2011
I agree-NCLB was a bad policy and there needs to be better discipline. However, as soon as the school tries to enact any discipline the "it was never my child at fault" parents are all over the teacher and administration, theatening ACLU action and lawsuit. Yes, like government, we all get the educational system we deserve.
Can't see how upping class size will enhance discipline.
former teacher

Fayetteville, NC

#12 Jun 16, 2011
No child's behind left was the brainchild of Dubya. Is anyone surprised that it also became a joke? National Average: For every 39 teachers actually teaching students, there are 61 administrative and support personnel. The monetary expenditure seldom extends to teachers, classroom or students. The general public has never seen the army of administrators ( superintendents, assistant superintendents , associate superintendents, curriculum supervisors, purchasing agents, coordinators,assistant principals, principals ,advisers, consultants,testing administrators, etc)all with $100K+ salaries.
All these generally unnecessary personnel believe it their job to create more work ,produce re-organizational confusion, and demoralization for the already overloaded teachers. The public, unaware of the real cause of the problem ,demands more $100K + whipmasters to drive the teachers harder, which increased the payroll and decreases educational productivity. So what happens then? They demand "accountability" and hire more bureaucrats to administrate it and the cycle starts over at the beginning.
Gamewell Redneck

Lenoir, NC

#13 Jun 16, 2011
caldwell guy wrote:
I think a lot of folks would like to see the state return to the stone age. I cannot understand the glee in seeing classroom teachers and school personnel lose their jobs while the state is mired in a depression. In fact education was supported and expanded during the great depression, supported by both parties.
Community college funding should be expanded.
I do agree that top heavy administration should be trimmed.
Why don't you take your money and send several students to a community college? Oh wait, liberals believe in using other people's money.......
caldwell guy

United States

#14 Jun 16, 2011
By the way i have personally helped friends and relatives with college tuition.
They have made something of themselves and have a chance to be living a better life.
By naming yourself as a redneck i assume you do not believe in higher education. Your right and privilege, but the days of dropping out of high school and finding much meaningful work is over.
It is and has been a shared ethos since the founding of the republic to publically educate our kids either in a technical or academic setting.
By the way i am no tea partier but until the tea party came along was seen as very conservative.
I break with the tea party over most of their distaste for education. I cannot buy into that.
The Truth

Knoxville, TN

#15 Jun 17, 2011
former teacher wrote:
No child's behind left was the brainchild of Dubya. Is anyone surprised that it also became a joke? National Average: For every 39 teachers actually teaching students, there are 61 administrative and support personnel. The monetary expenditure seldom extends to teachers, classroom or students. The general public has never seen the army of administrators ( superintendents, assistant superintendents , associate superintendents, curriculum supervisors, purchasing agents, coordinators,assistant principals, principals ,advisers, consultants,testing administrators, etc)all with $100K+ salaries.
All these generally unnecessary personnel believe it their job to create more work ,produce re-organizational confusion, and demoralization for the already overloaded teachers. The public, unaware of the real cause of the problem ,demands more $100K + whipmasters to drive the teachers harder, which increased the payroll and decreases educational productivity. So what happens then? They demand "accountability" and hire more bureaucrats to administrate it and the cycle starts over at the beginning.
Fool,

I agree with you. Let us end the Department of Education and the NEA right now and start moving forward again. Get the thugs out of the classroom and into juvie where they belong.

TSF, you are starting to have some pretty good ideas!
where is reality

Lenoir, NC

#16 Jun 20, 2011
The state has needed to make these cuts for years, the last couple of years were "cushioned" by federal stimulus, which we couldn't afford and hurt and will continue to hurt our economy from a debt standpoint.
Teachers and students in NC were unfortunately used as symbols/actors in a political game by the special interests which piggyback our state's #1 expenditure..education. Yes, the pending budget cuts in local districts are real, but do not have to negatively impact the in-class experience or the amount of learning achieved by students. Let's recall why we formed public schools in the first place...to educate kids, not to employ people and keep them up until death ($$$), spend more than other states, or please our federal government's bureaucrats.
If there is any real, bold leadership in NC public education, which there is in some places, our schools will be sufficiently funded, perform to their potential, and achieve their mission...educate the kids.
caldwell guy

United States

#17 Jun 20, 2011
There is entirely too many top heavy overpaid bureaucrats that negatively impact the classroom and the budget. I do not begrudge the classroom teacher one dollar they earn. Remember in most things you get what you pay for. We do not have over reaching teachers unions in this state.
A person with 4 or more years of college deserves a decent salary - they do not take a vow of poverty and should not.

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