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Greenville shooting a constitutional case?

There are 40 comments on the WOOD-TV Grand Rapids and Michigan story from Aug 26, 2008, titled Greenville shooting a constitutional case?. In it, WOOD-TV Grand Rapids and Michigan reports that:

Nearly a year ago, a Greenville police officer fired three shots at Candy Lee Cadwell.

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Since: Jul 07

Grandville, MI

#1 Aug 26, 2008
Sounds like they both made mistakes.
He should have definitely not run But having the tape become mysteriously damaged & unusable while in the officers hands just shows guilt written all over it & that he had something to hide.
dan r

Wyoming, MI

#2 Aug 26, 2008
Is this a dude named Candy lee???
What the heck were his parents thinking?With a name like that he probably got his butt kicked on a regular basis in school, then as he grew older,turned to a life of crime.
john d

Mecosta, MI

#3 Aug 26, 2008
The shooting was captured on two cruiser dashboard cameras. One of those recordings - in the hands of Kluzak before it could be secured as evidence - ended up unusable.

is there anything more to define this? case closed.
dan r

Wyoming, MI

#4 Aug 26, 2008
maybe this guys boss thought he was talking too much.

Since: Jul 08

Kentwood MI

#5 Aug 26, 2008
To flee is stupid. To shoot at a vehicle or person fleeing a traffic stop (lights off after dark) is not protocol. Also stupid. Unless there are other mitigating circumstances, officer Kluzak is indeed guilty of using excessive force. Mistakes were made on both sides. Neither justifies the other.
LC
ba ba booey

Ladson, SC

#6 Aug 26, 2008
It sounds like the cop needs to go back to the firing range for some remedial firearms training. Candy should be six feet under the ground right now.
Shooting straight

Malden, MA

#7 Aug 26, 2008
with a name like Candy it's a good thing he didn't end up in prison.
fordman

Syracuse, NY

#8 Aug 26, 2008
a guy named Candy, how unusal. no wonder he was a crook after being teased all his life
Pete

Riverside, CA

#9 Aug 26, 2008
Lamont Cranston wrote:
To flee is stupid. To shoot at a vehicle or person fleeing a traffic stop (lights off after dark) is not protocol. Also stupid. Unless there are other mitigating circumstances, officer Kluzak is indeed guilty of using excessive force. Mistakes were made on both sides. Neither justifies the other.
LC
This will be interesting. I think Michigan laws says you can use deadly force to apprehend a fleeing felon. The federal courts may have a different view. The one problem these cops might have is that they used the force before they had probable cause to believe he did the B&E. On the other hand fleeing in and of itself might be a felony but they Feds might not allow that bootstrap argument. Anyone know why he shot.
Monicasfan

United States

#10 Aug 26, 2008
Why do people make assumptions that the cop intentional destroyed the tape? He was in high pursuit under a tension filled event. Who says the tape wasn't destroyed by the evidence like a video graphic deleted on a computer or the camera was damaged. The convicted felon pleaded guilty to his crime, fled the scene. He gave up his rights when he did that by being a potiential threat and endangerment to the officers and anyone encountered involved. I say he's lucky he didn't put a bullet in his head. Sounds like another liberal trying to protect a victimizer for political brownie points. Only a lawyer out to make a buck would listen to a piece of rock candy.
HOP SING BPD

Montague, MI

#11 Aug 26, 2008
Pete wrote:
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This will be interesting. I think Michigan laws says you can use deadly force to apprehend a fleeing felon. The federal courts may have a different view. The one problem these cops might have is that they used the force before they had probable cause to believe he did the B&E. On the other hand fleeing in and of itself might be a felony but they Feds might not allow that bootstrap argument. Anyone know why he shot.
Maybe because prior to fleeing after he stopped initially, the news failed to mention that Candy threw it in reverse towards the officer who had exited his cruiser while attemptimg to pull him from the car....
Wow

Grand Rapids, MI

#12 Aug 26, 2008
This is quite possibly the worst written story I have read. It jumps all over the place and leaves many many holes. Don't these reporters or editors proof this stuff?
The voice of reason

Traverse City, MI

#13 Aug 26, 2008
Hey guess what Candy, if you don't commit crimes or run from the police, you don't get shot. Quit wasting the taxpayers money with your stupid lawsuit.

Since: Mar 08

Louisville, CO

#14 Aug 26, 2008
Would the same protocol apply to the use of a taser on a fleeing suspect driving a motorcycle?
liberal in holland

United States

#15 Aug 26, 2008
"Maybe because prior to fleeing after he stopped initially, the news failed to mention that Candy threw it in reverse towards the officer who had exited his cruiser while attemptimg to pull him from the car...."

if so, this is an excellent case of the media failing AGAIN in it's duty to inform the public, rather than entertain the public and sell more ads. Sounds like a pretty justified shooting to me. And if you're driving slowly in the scene of a crime with your lights off, isn't that probable cause for being investigated? Like any good liberal, i'm against excessive police force, but it's good to cut the police some slack too,'cause it's not us liberals out on the streets every day keeping people safe.
Reader

Traverse City, MI

#16 Aug 26, 2008
I keep telling you all not to give the Greenville cops guns.
Reader

Traverse City, MI

#17 Aug 26, 2008
Monicasfan wrote:
Why do people make assumptions that the cop intentional destroyed the tape?
You don't know the Greenville police department very well do you. This is in Montcalm County, they are all crooked here.
Zeeo

Cheboygan, MI

#18 Aug 27, 2008
Make sure yo drive with your headlights on in
Greenville
broric

United States

#19 Aug 27, 2008
how did barney fife hit the brother in the knee when he's in a car? i will bet it will work as a deterent and it will be a while before you hear about a B & E or any other crime in greenville and these idiots will stay in grand rapids
mildly interested

United States

#20 Aug 27, 2008
First. It is, in fact, a felony in the State of Michigan simply to flee from a peace officer attempting to stop you.
Second. The article did not say the tape was damaged, it said it was unusable. This is because when evidence is collected there is a "chain of evidence" that needs to be followed in the collection and preservation of that evidence. In this case, that "chain" was not followed. Nothing necessarily happened to the tape to damage it. It was simply unusable as evidence.
Third. Not all cops are crooked. If you do not like the way you are dealt with by them---don't be wrong and you don't have to deal with them.
Fourth. For those of you who think the officer was a bad shot, obviously you are arm-chair quarterbacking and have never been in any situation even remotely close.

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