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“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#42939 Oct 19, 2013
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OMFG! Are you kidding me? You think your ad hominem attacks aren't ad hominem because YOU think they are reality? You 'don't do ad hominem' and then you end your post with 'idiot?' Way to make yourself look like an illiterate fool.
No, they are not ad hominem attacks because the substance of our posts affirm them as fact.

You really are an idiot because of your hate and bitterness. I simply point it out. Over and over.

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“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#42940 Oct 19, 2013
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You didn't go to school, did you?
Separation of church and State has been very well defined by SCOTUS over the years. If you are attempting to push your religious beliefs into secular law, then what do you call that if not a State Church?. Why should your 'religion' get preference over any other?
"And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with all this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this the most venerated reformer of human errors."- Thomas Jefferson

"There is not one redeeming feature in our superstition of Christianity. It has made one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites."- Thomas Jefferson
"Lighthouses are more useful than churches."- Ben Franklin
"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason."- Ben Franklin
Why are you so curious about what goes on in my bedroom, you pervert? There's free porn all over the web for you to 'educate' yourself. Losing the taste for pussy, are ya?
Where am I trying to push my faith into secular law?

I'm simply saying that sodomy is medically harmful and unhealthy, and relationally degrading. And that marriage defines a distinct relationship in society based on the evolutionary science of mating behavior.

The real problem is the homosexual demand that science and reason be segregated from law, NOT the inclusion of religion!

Just a heads up, Ben and Tom do not represent the bulk of the Founding Fathers. In every community across our country there are scores and hundreds of churches serving their community with compassion and sacrifice. Your hateful bigotry is blinding you honey...

Finally, did you just assert that my orientation is changing?

And in an effort to insult me you call me a sodomite?

Interesting.

Smile.

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“Busting Kimare's”

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#42941 Oct 19, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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I don't do ad hominem, I simply state obvious reality.
Idiot.
We all know how you operate here:

When you're a dick to someone, you're simply stating obvious reality.
When someone treats you badly, they're gay twirling and stating ad hominems.

You read like a cheap dime-store novel, Pastor Kirschmann. A really bad cheap novel.

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#42942 Oct 19, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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No, they are not ad hominem attacks because the substance of our posts affirm them as fact.
Yes, dear, we know. EVERYONE who disagrees with you uses ad hominem "attacks" against you.

Delusional paranoid troll, party of one, your padded cell is ready.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#42944 Oct 19, 2013
Dusty Mangina wrote:
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We all know how you operate here:
When you're a dick to someone, you're simply stating obvious reality.
When someone treats you badly, they're gay twirling and stating ad hominems.
You read like a cheap dime-store novel, Pastor Kirschmann. A really bad cheap novel.
Do you ever have a response of substance? You denial and ad homoan attacks are tiresome and boring.

You don't speak for everyone Dick, never will.

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“"Not all who wander are lost."”

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#42945 Oct 19, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Where am I trying to push my faith into secular law?
I'm simply saying that sodomy is medically harmful and unhealthy, and relationally degrading. And that marriage defines a distinct relationship in society based on the evolutionary science of mating behavior.
The real problem is the homosexual demand that science and reason be segregated from law, NOT the inclusion of religion!
Just a heads up, Ben and Tom do not represent the bulk of the Founding Fathers. In every community across our country there are scores and hundreds of churches serving their community with compassion and sacrifice. Your hateful bigotry is blinding you honey...
Finally, did you just assert that my orientation is changing?
And in an effort to insult me you call me a sodomite?
Interesting.
Smile.
LMAO...Now why would anyone suspect a guy who attended a theology school and spent 30 years of his life as a pastor of having a theocratic agenda? Why would anyone suspect a guy who apparently thinks about little else (17,500+ posts) of being a bubble or two off plumb? Who would ever dream that a guy who believes women haven't evolved to lead would be mired in archaic thought? How could anyone draw the conclusion that a guy who routinely equates sodomy to same-sex marriage fancies himself in a position to preach to others what should and should not be acceptable (and legal) bedroom behavior? Greg, why is this issue of such vital importance to you, personally? What was it that inspired your crusade? Why do you devote as much time and energy as you do to this? I can't be the only one who'd be fascinated by your answers to these simple questions.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#42946 Oct 19, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Where am I trying to push my faith into secular law?
I'm simply saying that sodomy is medically harmful and unhealthy, and relationally degrading. And that marriage defines a distinct relationship in society based on the evolutionary science of mating behavior.
The real problem is the homosexual demand that science and reason be segregated from law, NOT the inclusion of religion!
Just a heads up, Ben and Tom do not represent the bulk of the Founding Fathers. In every community across our country there are scores and hundreds of churches serving their community with compassion and sacrifice. Your hateful bigotry is blinding you honey...
Finally, did you just assert that my orientation is changing?
And in an effort to insult me you call me a sodomite?
Interesting.
Smile.
MirthMenace wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO...Now why would anyone suspect a guy who attended a theology school and spent 30 years of his life as a pastor of having a theocratic agenda? Why would anyone suspect a guy who apparently thinks about little else (17,500+ posts) of being a bubble or two off plumb? Who would ever dream that a guy who believes women haven't evolved to lead would be mired in archaic thought? How could anyone draw the conclusion that a guy who routinely equates sodomy to same-sex marriage fancies himself in a position to preach to others what should and should not be acceptable (and legal) bedroom behavior? Greg, why is this issue of such vital importance to you, personally? What was it that inspired your crusade? Why do you devote as much time and energy as you do to this? I can't be the only one who'd be fascinated by your answers to these simple questions.
So when I present the evidence of medical and scientific fact, my faith deletes the validity of those facts?

You have an insurmountable problem.

Science and faith agree on the oxymoron of ss marriage. You have to ignore science and denigrate faith in the vain attempt to excuse the inexcusable.

Moreover, we are talking about the most important relationship of society, marriage, and the most vulnerable member of society, children. My concern equates to the most esteemed defenders of humanity in human history. You are regulated to defending the sexual abuse of another person and the idiotic attempt to equate a sterile duplicate half with the historic cross cultural practice of marriage.

You are welcome to wallow in your perverted denial. However when you seek to impose your delusions and perversion on society, moral and reasoned citizens stand up and say no.

That is the simple answer to your simpleton question.

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“"Not all who wander are lost."”

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#42947 Oct 19, 2013
KiMare wrote:
KiMare wrote:
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Where am I trying to push my faith into secular law?
I'm simply saying that sodomy is medically harmful and unhealthy, and relationally degrading. And that marriage defines a distinct relationship in society based on the evolutionary science of mating behavior.
The real problem is the homosexual demand that science and reason be segregated from law, NOT the inclusion of religion!
Just a heads up, Ben and Tom do not represent the bulk of the Founding Fathers. In every community across our country there are scores and hundreds of churches serving their community with compassion and sacrifice. Your hateful bigotry is blinding you honey...
Finally, did you just assert that my orientation is changing?
And in an effort to insult me you call me a sodomite?
Interesting.
Smile.
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So when I present the evidence of medical and scientific fact, my faith deletes the validity of those facts?
You have an insurmountable problem.
Science and faith agree on the oxymoron of ss marriage. You have to ignore science and denigrate faith in the vain attempt to excuse the inexcusable.
Moreover, we are talking about the most important relationship of society, marriage, and the most vulnerable member of society, children. My concern equates to the most esteemed defenders of humanity in human history. You are regulated to defending the sexual abuse of another person and the idiotic attempt to equate a sterile duplicate half with the historic cross cultural practice of marriage.
You are welcome to wallow in your perverted denial. However when you seek to impose your delusions and perversion on society, moral and reasoned citizens stand up and say no.
That is the simple answer to your simpleton question.
Smile.
Somehow I missed the "medical and scientific fact" that should trump constitutional rights. You love saying you've presented evidence. Evidence of what? Same-sex attraction has existed for as long as our species. Does it play a role in procreative mating behavior? No. Does the fact that a same-sex couple cannot conventionally create offspring invalidate their need for companionship and love? No. Please feel free to cite evidence that supports the notion that people who are attracted to people of their same gender should be subject to a different set of laws. This should, as always, be very entertaining.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#42948 Oct 19, 2013
MirthMenace wrote:
<quoted text>Somehow I missed the "medical and scientific fact" that should trump constitutional rights. You love saying you've presented evidence. Evidence of what? Same-sex attraction has existed for as long as our species. Does it play a role in procreative mating behavior? No. Does the fact that a same-sex couple cannot conventionally create offspring invalidate their need for companionship and love? No. Please feel free to cite evidence that supports the notion that people who are attracted to people of their same gender should be subject to a different set of laws. This should, as always, be very entertaining.
You missed nothing. You ignore it and demand that the 98% of married couples that could procreate capitulate to ss couples who can NEVER mutually procreate.

You disqualify every distinction between ss couples and marriage except the number of people, you ignore the medical violation of design, you desecrate and trample on religious and cultural traditions, you censor the distinction that evolutionary science clearly distinguishes, and then turn around demand all the rights and privileges based on those very distinctions.

I simply point of the idiocy of that foolish attempt by the refusal of reality to adjust to your deception and denial.

Smile.

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“THERE IS NO GOD”

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#42949 Oct 19, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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blah blah blah snipped
Eusebius said that it is lawful to lie and cheat for the cause of Christ: "I have repeated whatever may rebound to the glory, and suppressed all that could tend to the disgrace of our religion" (Chp. 31, Book 12 of Prae Paratio Evangelica).

Eusebius is one of Christ-insanities greatest teachers and KiMare has carried on the tradition of lying and deceiving for Jesus.

“THERE IS NO GOD”

Since: Feb 09

Northern California

#42950 Oct 19, 2013
MirthMenace wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO...Now why would anyone suspect a guy who attended a theology school and spent 30 years of his life as a pastor of having a theocratic agenda? Why would anyone suspect a guy who apparently thinks about little else (17,500+ posts) of being a bubble or two off plumb? Who would ever dream that a guy who believes women haven't evolved to lead would be mired in archaic thought? How could anyone draw the conclusion that a guy who routinely equates sodomy to same-sex marriage fancies himself in a position to preach to others what should and should not be acceptable (and legal) bedroom behavior? Greg, why is this issue of such vital importance to you, personally? What was it that inspired your crusade? Why do you devote as much time and energy as you do to this? I can't be the only one who'd be fascinated by your answers to these simple questions.
Nicely said. I suspect that KiMare is in prison and has nothing to do all day long except try to make good decent normal people feel worse than he does.
CDC

Waterloo, IL

#42951 Oct 19, 2013
Funny...I was about to say the same about you.
Reverend Alan wrote:
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Nicely said. I suspect that KiMare is in prison and has nothing to do all day long except try to make good decent normal people feel worse than he does.

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#42952 Oct 19, 2013
No PROS all CONS. SS marriage =wrong.

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Wilmington, IL

#42953 Oct 19, 2013
No PROS only CONS. SS marriage=Wrong.

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#42955 Oct 19, 2013
Ss advocate wrote:
No PROS only CONS. SS marriage=Wrong.
Maybe for you. But basic human rights is a pro.
Neighbor

Reddick, IL

#42956 Oct 19, 2013
big guy, I hear you on basic human rights. I don't think most folks would disagree with you. Not me anyway. But society is certainly comprised of people of various faiths, each needing to be respected as "their" human right. Am I wrong?

So here's where I get stuck on this subject: As a Christian, the words of God are presented in the bible. The bible says SS is wrong, forbids it. So can we take away from the beliefs/rights of Christians to support the belief/rights of SS supporters? That does not seem right, correct? This is where I get stuck.

People have the privilege of doing what they want, but people do not have the right to ignore/disrespect others Christian beliefs. So they look for weasel ways around it. I get a head ach talking about this.

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This And That

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#42957 Oct 19, 2013
Neighbor wrote:
big guy, I hear you on basic human rights. I don't think most folks would disagree with you. Not me anyway. But society is certainly comprised of people of various faiths, each needing to be respected as "their" human right. Am I wrong?
So here's where I get stuck on this subject: As a Christian, the words of God are presented in the bible. The bible says SS is wrong, forbids it. So can we take away from the beliefs/rights of Christians to support the belief/rights of SS supporters? That does not seem right, correct? This is where I get stuck.
People have the privilege of doing what they want, but people do not have the right to ignore/disrespect others Christian beliefs. So they look for weasel ways around it. I get a head ach talking about this.
And do tell,what the hell does the bible have to do with secular marriage equality in America? Absolutely nothing,not to mention the bible does no such thing when it comes to homosexuality! Care to try again? This nation for the 100th time is a secular nation and not a theocracy! Now 14 states and counting,how many more in the coming year?

“"Not all who wander are lost."”

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#42958 Oct 19, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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You missed nothing. You ignore it and demand that the 98% of married couples that could procreate capitulate to ss couples who can NEVER mutually procreate.
You disqualify every distinction between ss couples and marriage except the number of people, you ignore the medical violation of design, you desecrate and trample on religious and cultural traditions, you censor the distinction that evolutionary science clearly distinguishes, and then turn around demand all the rights and privileges based on those very distinctions.
I simply point of the idiocy of that foolish attempt by the refusal of reality to adjust to your deception and denial.
Smile.
Please explain exactly what a capitulation by opposite-sex amounts to, Greg. What is it you believe same-sex couples are demanding that will be so costly to opposite-sex married couples? I ignore the "medical violation of design"? That's hilarious, Greg! Tell me, do heterosexual couples ever engage in activities that are contrary to "design"? Should such activities be illegal? Should sexual behavior be limited only to procreative purposes by law? How does sanctioning same-sex marriage in any way desecrate or trample on religious or cultural traditions? Should your religious point of view be taken into consideration when laws are created or revised? What is evolutionary science to someone who takes the Genesis account literally? Whatl any of us Americans should demand, indeed what it is our duty to demand as Americans, is that each American is subject to the same rights and privileges we are guaranteed by the Constitution. What's clear is that you believe some people ought to be subject to different laws based on an arbitrary distinction. Are you gaining any ground on that front, Greg? Keep smiling. It only serves to better illustrate your Bible-based delusions.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#42959 Oct 19, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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You missed nothing. You ignore it and demand that the 98% of married couples that could procreate capitulate to ss couples who can NEVER mutually procreate.
You disqualify every distinction between ss couples and marriage except the number of people, you ignore the medical violation of design, you desecrate and trample on religious and cultural traditions, you censor the distinction that evolutionary science clearly distinguishes, and then turn around demand all the rights and privileges based on those very distinctions.
I simply point of the idiocy of that foolish attempt by the refusal of reality to adjust to your deception and denial.
Smile.
MirthMenace wrote:
<quoted text>Please explain exactly what a capitulation by opposite-sex amounts to, Greg. What is it you believe same-sex couples are demanding that will be so costly to opposite-sex married couples?
I have listed the differences many times. It is a lie to pretend the two relationships are the same. You are demanding I accept your lie. No.
MirthMenace wrote:
<quoted text>I ignore the "medical violation of design"? That's hilarious, Greg! Tell me, do heterosexual couples ever engage in activities that are contrary to "design"? Should such activities be illegal?
Why in the world would it matter who engages in harmful, unhealthy and demeaning acts? Are you really suggesting that because one group does something wrong, it makes it okay for everyone? Abuse is wrong, why are you attempting to excuse it?
MirthMenace wrote:
<quoted text>Should sexual behavior be limited only to procreative purposes by law?
Where did I assert any such thing?
MirthMenace wrote:
<quoted text>How does sanctioning same-sex marriage in any way desecrate or trample on religious or cultural traditions? Should your religious point of view be taken into consideration when laws are created or revised?

Civilized people are always considerate of others. However, in this instance, it is the special place of a relationship that crosses every single culture and major religion in human history.

[QUOTE who="MirthMenace"] <quoted text>What is evolutionary science to someone who takes the Genesis account literally?
You don't know how I take Genesis. What does it matter to someone who is denying evolutionary science?
MirthMenace wrote:
<quoted text>Whatl any of us Americans should demand, indeed what it is our duty to demand as Americans, is that each American is subject to the same rights and privileges we are guaranteed by the Constitution. What's clear is that you believe some people ought to be subject to different laws based on an arbitrary distinction. Are you gaining any ground on that front, Greg? Keep smiling. It only serves to better illustrate your Bible-based delusions.
I agree.

We do however have special rights for minorities. Marriage is one of those.

Ss couples don't qualify based on factual distinctions. And the reason I bother you is that reality is the ground I stand on. Your gay twirling does nothing to move it.

What really gets your goat, is that science and the Bible go hand in hand on this.

Smile.

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#42960 Oct 19, 2013
Okay, enough is enough you Homo's need to get a life take a deep breath and then realize, no one cares you are gay.

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