Should taxpayers foot the bill for an inmate's college education?

Mar 22, 2014 Full story: WHEC-TV Rochester 27

It has been 20 years since New York State provided a college education for prison inmates, but the governor is pushing a proposal that could make it a reality once again.

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you never get it

Rochester, NY

#1 Mar 23, 2014
One word---- NO !!!----
Peter

Pittsford, NY

#2 Mar 24, 2014
you never get it wrote:
One word---- NO !!!----
The only thing that changes when they're released is that they're a crook with an education.

Another taxpayer vehemently opposed to this --NO--
dew4794

Rochester, NY

#4 Mar 24, 2014
Having worked in two penns, my impressions are that the vast majority of ex-cons are just fumble butts that can't get it together. And the best help against recidivism is their girlfriends who will make them tow the line. And they are thinking about scams 24-7, almost as much as thinking about sex.

Since: Jan 11

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#5 Mar 24, 2014
They already have plenty of education programs for inmates. I say no. Cuomo has got to go.
Ha Ha

Fairport, NY

#6 Mar 24, 2014
Michele Obama is taking one awesome (and expensive) vacation in China at taxpayer's expense ... I'm sure that if we cut her trip short, we can save enough money to educate quite a few criminals.
Peter

Pittsford, NY

#7 Mar 24, 2014
This whole prison education process seems anti-white.

Most of the white guys in stir already have a degree, and are in for white collar crimes. Maybe they can get an M.S. in something. An MBA from the Auburn School of Business? A PhD in Criminal Justice (that should take under 3 months). The only college with an electric chair.
dew4794

Rochester, NY

#8 Mar 24, 2014
But one thing that isn't working, "lock 'em up," just warehousing. 60,000 a pop per year."Get ''em off the streets" and THEY'RE BACK. US locks up more folks than ANY OTHER NATION IN THE WORLD.
Sal

Rochester, NY

#9 Mar 24, 2014
Not just No, but HELL NO! They did the crime let them do the time. No frills, especially a college education. When you go to prison it's meant to be a punishment so, do the time. Go get an education on your dime. And by the way, why does it cost 60,000 a year to keep them housed in jail when the average nation wide is 23,000? Let's start bringing that cost down by cutting everything: cable, gyms, internet, 3 meals a day, heat, medical and dental. Stop making prison something like club med. Let's bring Joe Arpaio from New Mexico and he'll cut costs!

Since: Jan 11

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#10 Mar 24, 2014
dew4794 wrote:
But one thing that isn't working, "lock 'em up," just warehousing. 60,000 a pop per year."Get ''em off the streets" and THEY'RE BACK. US locks up more folks than ANY OTHER NATION IN THE WORLD.
You may have a point, we should start executing more. That eliminates repeat offenders rather quickly.
dew4794

Rochester, NY

#11 Mar 25, 2014
Robot: I too am angry about this crime mess in the city. Execution appeal processes costs millions of waisted court costs. And taking these criminals out of their "family" structures means more welfare and possible criminal kids in the future. The $60,000 to hold one con in the penn for a year is just the tip of the costs. Some criminology study says that for every 100 crimes, 10 arrests are made, and 1 conviction. And we have corrections industry that puts cons into the UNIVERSITY OF CRIME, called penitentiary. I can't believe the Corrections Officers tv commercials about "keeping New York safe." BS.
Naughtyrobot wrote:
<quoted text>You may have a point, we should start executing more. That eliminates repeat offenders rather quickly.
Stop the Press

Rochester, NY

#12 Mar 25, 2014
Taxpayers are paying to house them and feed them. Why not add education to the funding Heck, they used to educate them and it helped with recidivism.

Oh, that's right, there are many innocent victims behind those walls. Check the Innocence Project in each state and she the stats on this.

America and it's warehousing of non-violent and innocent people must stop.
dew4794

Rochester, NY

#13 Mar 25, 2014
Illinois State use to have a trade teaching carpentry and furniture making. They sold their products to the public and helped furnish corrections offices. The cons had a trade when they came out. But it was killed because of union protests. Iowa has a penn that is also a working farm that helps provide food for them and other state run institutions. Why not New York?

Since: Jan 11

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#14 Mar 25, 2014
dew4794 wrote:
Illinois State use to have a trade teaching carpentry and furniture making. They sold their products to the public and helped furnish corrections offices. The cons had a trade when they came out. But it was killed because of union protests. Iowa has a penn that is also a working farm that helps provide food for them and other state run institutions. Why not New York?
http://www.correctionalassocia tion.org/wp-content/uploads/20 12/05/Attica-2011-Report.pdf

One crucial issue to the inmates involved in the Attica rebellion was to “modernize”
educational programming. Since New York State requires all inmates without a high school
diploma or equivalent to be placed in academic programs, school is available at every prison in the
state. The quality and accessibility of academic programming, however, varies from prison to
prison, as does availability of post-secondary educational opportunities. With the launching of a
college program run by Genesee Community College, Attica stands out as one of the few
maximum-security prisons in New York that provides inmates an opportunity for a college
education.
Peter

Pittsford, NY

#15 Mar 25, 2014
dew4794 wrote:
Illinois State use to have a trade teaching carpentry and furniture making. They sold their products to the public and helped furnish corrections offices. The cons had a trade when they came out. But it was killed because of union protests. Iowa has a penn that is also a working farm that helps provide food for them and other state run institutions. Why not New York?
We could teach them political corruption, investor fraud and bid rigging... just a few of the things we are noted for in NY state. How about a B.S. in Welfare Administration, so they could serve the community when they are released.
Sam

Rochester, NY

#16 Mar 25, 2014
Before giving them a college education, they have to get a high school diploma. I wonder how much that will cost. Since most of the inmates are high school dropouts I wonder how long it will take them to get a diploma.
That should keep them busy for at least 5 to 10 years; you know how much they hate to be in school. Then maybe they can apply to SUNY
at Attica.
Zonked

Pittsford, NY

#17 Mar 25, 2014
Most of the SUNY colleges intake students that have very little understanding of grammar or math, and scored in the bottom SAT percentiles. Perfect for GED types and inmates.

We have to vote this governor out. He is the state's version to our completely incompetent Mayor.
Ha Ha

Fairport, NY

#18 Mar 26, 2014
It's not even the cost of the inmate's education that we are gonna end up paying for ... it is the INTEREST that will be added and compounded daily!!!
The cost of a free jailhouse education that will make this more expensive for the taxpayer than putting their own kids in college.

BUT, taxpayers are voters ... and voters have short memories at election time!

Coumo = Safe NY act, Common Core Curriculum schools, and free jailhouse college degrees at taxpayer's expense.

How much do you wanna bet this loser stays in office because people don't vote.
dew4794

Rochester, NY

#19 Mar 26, 2014
Our Penitentiaries are really schools for learning crime. Cons compare MOs and scams 24/7. Is there any wonder these institutions are revolving doors at Crime U?
Peter wrote:
<quoted text>
We could teach them political corruption, investor fraud and bid rigging... just a few of the things we are noted for in NY state. How about a B.S. in Welfare Administration, so they could serve the community when they are released.
Ha Ha

Fairport, NY

#20 Mar 26, 2014
The corrections officer unions are fighting Cuomo's efforts to close 7 prisions in NY.
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitic...

These prisions for profit are the reasone we have so many nanny laws here in NY.

NY has been rated as the LEAST free state in the united states, because of all the nanny laws.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/28/new-...

I hope that Cuomo actually does something right and closes more of these suck holes! Let those guards get real jobs, making something we can export. Chances are, they will just take jobs at the airports as TSA jackboots!

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#21 Mar 26, 2014
Ha Ha wrote:
The corrections officer unions are fighting Cuomo's efforts to close 7 prisions in NY.
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/dailypolitic...
These prisions for profit are the reasone we have so many nanny laws here in NY.
NY has been rated as the LEAST free state in the united states, because of all the nanny laws.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/28/new-...
I hope that Cuomo actually does something right and closes more of these suck holes! Let those guards get real jobs, making something we can export. Chances are, they will just take jobs at the airports as TSA jackboots!
...and Bloomberg is trying to expand those nanny laws to other cities and states with his billions of dollars, he bought an interview with clucky Katie Couric and bought tons of ads for that interview. What an idiot.

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