Since: Dec 12

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#6218 Dec 28, 2012
obama vomit wrote:
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refute this, you are a n obama ball licker
You're one step away from "I know you are, but what am I?".

Step up your game, son.

Since: Nov 12

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#6219 Dec 28, 2012
Goober of Gloversvillle wrote:
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I don't know what those LGBT acronyms stand for.
You're going to have to spell it out for us heterosexuals. Save the secret codes for when you're picking up dudes in airport mens' room.
Fill in the blanks, it says "licking his balls", what a dunce!

Since: Nov 12

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#6220 Dec 28, 2012
obama vomit wrote:
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We are only discussing you extreme adulation of obama, which includes l..k..g h.s b...s
Haven't you ever watched Wheel of Fortune, ask Vanna for a vowel,

li.ki.g his ba..s ; see, even I got it, thanks Vanna, Pat, I'd like to solve the puzzle "Licking his balls" yes absolutely right.
Old men

North Tonawanda, NY

#6221 Dec 28, 2012
Old men trolls - once again - zzzzzz
WhatHasHeDone

Oneida, NY

#6223 Dec 29, 2012
Zeldo wrote:
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This president saved the American Auto Industry. The industry is now doing better than it has in years. The market is holding its own, and the economy is steadily improving.
Sorry, nobody's buying your argument. We know this 'cause you LOST!!!!!
GM aka Government Motors loses $40,000 per Volt it sells. Bond holders got the shaft and the Auto Workers Union got millions. But you believe the BS from your hero little Barry.
Rose Gardner

Utica, NY

#6224 Dec 29, 2012
WhatHasHeDone wrote:
<quoted text>GM aka Government Motors loses $40,000 per Volt it sells. Bond holders got the shaft and the Auto Workers Union got millions. But you believe the BS from your hero little Barry.
You are just wrong!
Ray

Binghamton, NY

#6225 Dec 29, 2012
What's wrong? Please pick one or more and explain.

1. GM loses money on each Volt.

2. Bond holders lost money.

3. Unions profitted.
Flipzo

Albany, NY

#6226 Dec 29, 2012
Ray wrote:
What's wrong? Please pick one or more and explain.
1. GM loses money on each Volt.
2. Bond holders lost money.
3. Unions profitted.
People like you are dangerous, because you simply don't understand the net gains for our economy. The number of jobs saved in companies that supply parts and services to GM has been estimated at upwards of one million. Get it? These people continue to pay property and income taxes, they continue to buy goods and services and pay sales tax in their locales.

Yes, bond-holders lost money. They would've lost money in a bankruptcy, as well. Investing is all about risk...if you can't handle that, don't invest.

Unions didn't profit, their worker got to keep their pensions, homes, cars, etc.

You simply don't understand economics.
Flipzo

Albany, NY

#6227 Dec 29, 2012
WhatHasHeDone wrote:
<quoted text>GM aka Government Motors loses $40,000 per Volt it sells. Bond holders got the shaft and the Auto Workers Union got millions. But you believe the BS from your hero little Barry.
This is a myth that was started when a Fox News commentator suggested that each Volt costs $25,000 to build.

According to GM and its former head of the volt program, Bob Lutz , the Volt is actually on the cusp of break even at this sales pace. What this means is, excluding R&D costs GM is making money with each Volt sold, possible to the tune of $10,000 or more.

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#6228 Dec 29, 2012
Flipzo wrote:
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People like you are dangerous, because you simply don't understand the net gains for our economy. The number of jobs saved in companies that supply parts and services to GM has been estimated at upwards of one million. Get it? These people continue to pay property and income taxes, they continue to buy goods and services and pay sales tax in their locales.
Yes, bond-holders lost money. They would've lost money in a bankruptcy, as well. Investing is all about risk...if you can't handle that, don't invest.
Unions didn't profit, their worker got to keep their pensions, homes, cars, etc.
You simply don't understand economics.
What we did in rescuing GM and Chrysler is effectively paid a premium to keep old American icons afloat because we are so rich we could afford to indulge in the luxury of doing so. Had both been allowed to fail, all those factories and workers could have been put to use by car manufacturers that understand how to profitably make cars that people wish to buy. We have rewarded incompetence and punished efficiency, never a good strategy for long-term economic viability.

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#6229 Dec 29, 2012
Capitalism is a system of creative destruction, not a system of dinosaur preservation. How many potential auto companies did we squash be keeping GM alive. Is it morally right to eliminate opportunities for future entrepreneurs, because we want to preserve the wealth of those who were greedy and incompetent in the present day. Avoiding pain in the short term rarely leads to gain in the long term.

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#6230 Dec 29, 2012
Flipzo wrote:
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This is a myth that was started when a Fox News commentator suggested that each Volt costs $25,000 to build.
According to GM and its former head of the volt program, Bob Lutz , the Volt is actually on the cusp of break even at this sales pace. What this means is, excluding R&D costs GM is making money with each Volt sold, possible to the tune of $10,000 or more.
Rubbish
Flipzo

Albany, NY

#6231 Dec 29, 2012
De Oppresso Liber wrote:
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Rubbish
Wow! What a brilliant response!

You must've worked for hours and hours on that witty retort.
Flipzo

Albany, NY

#6232 Dec 29, 2012
De Oppresso Liber wrote:
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What we did in rescuing GM and Chrysler is effectively paid a premium to keep old American icons afloat because we are so rich we could afford to indulge in the luxury of doing so. Had both been allowed to fail, all those factories and workers could have been put to use by car manufacturers that understand how to profitably make cars that people wish to buy. We have rewarded incompetence and punished efficiency, never a good strategy for long-term economic viability.
Hey, moron....those workers would've gone to work for Asian car companies. Is that what you wanted? Instead of returning to profitability - as GM and Ford did - they would likely have been cannibalized by Toyota and Nissan.

Maybe YOU want to see more Americans work for foreign companies, but the rest of us don't.

Since: Jul 12

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#6233 Dec 29, 2012
Flipzo wrote:
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Wow! What a brilliant response!
You must've worked for hours and hours on that witty retort.
I don't need to, to recognize rubbish
Flipzo

Albany, NY

#6234 Dec 29, 2012
De Oppresso Liber wrote:
Capitalism is a system of creative destruction, not a system of dinosaur preservation. How many potential auto companies did we squash be keeping GM alive. Is it morally right to eliminate opportunities for future entrepreneurs, because we want to preserve the wealth of those who were greedy and incompetent in the present day. Avoiding pain in the short term rarely leads to gain in the long term.
Hurry up.... the Good Ship Lollipop leaving!

Holy sh*t, you really are nave, aren't you?
Flipzo

Albany, NY

#6235 Dec 29, 2012
De Oppresso Liber wrote:
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I don't need to, to recognize rubbish
The thing is, you offer no facts, only regurgitated bu11sh*t from Fox News.

Seriously, you are WAY out of your league on this thread, son.
Flipzo

Albany, NY

#6236 Dec 29, 2012
De Oppresso Liber wrote:
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I don't need to, to recognize rubbish
Says the commie who wants GM workers to toil away in an Asian auto-factory.

You take that commie crap somewhere else.

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#6237 Dec 29, 2012
Flipzo wrote:
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Hey, moron....those workers would've gone to work for Asian car companies. Is that what you wanted? Instead of returning to profitability - as GM and Ford did - they would likely have been cannibalized by Toyota and Nissan.
Maybe YOU want to see more Americans work for foreign companies, but the rest of us don't.
Who owns Chyrsler? You are uninformed. The plants would stay here in the USA and employ Americans. obama got elected by the uninformed.

Many "foreign" cars built by the Big Three's competitors are made in the U.S.A. coming off assembly lines from South Carolina to California and providing jobs for tens of thousands of Americans.


"We make them here and they're built by American citizens and increasingly we're designing them here," said Kim Custer, spokesman for the Association of International Automobile Manufacturers, which represents Toyota, Mitsubishi, Honda, Nissan, Hyundai, Kia, Isuzu, and Subaru.

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#6238 Dec 29, 2012
Flipzo wrote:
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Says the commie who wants GM workers to toil away in an Asian auto-factory.
You take that commie crap somewhere else.
It is better to remain silent and thought a fool, than to speak out, and remove all doubt.

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