New York Primary Election Sept 14: Wi...

New York Primary Election Sept 14: Will you vote?

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Remiesong

Ardsley, NY

#18172 Mar 13, 2013
shameless-li wrote:
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agreed...if a person doesn't have employer provided health care, they should pay for it like everyone else does.
people have to pay for their car insurance, homeowners insurance, etc...they should also pay for their own healthcare insurance, if needed.
nothing in life is free.
what are insurance premiums but taxes collected from the many to pay for the few who need treatment? If people would only think with their brains instead of their arses.
Remiesong

Ardsley, NY

#18173 Mar 13, 2013
De Oppresso Liber wrote:
If a conservative doesn't like guns, he doesn't buy one. If a liberal doesn't like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.
If a conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn't eat meat. If a liberal is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for everyone.
If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation. A liberal, wonders who is going to take care of him.
If a conservative doesn't like a talk show host, he switches channels. Liberals demand that those they don't like be shut down.
If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn't go to church. A liberal
non-believer wants any mention of God and Jesus silenced.
If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it. A liberal demands that the rest of us pay for his.
if a conservative is selfish and uncaring and a non altruist then they are a republican

Since: Jul 12

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#18174 Mar 13, 2013
Remiesong wrote:
<quoted text>what are insurance premiums but taxes collected from the many to pay for the few who need treatment? If people would only think with their brains instead of their arses.
Health insurance is not a right, it is a product that is purchased by the prudent as an risk assessment to protect their families and themselves from catastrophic costs of a severe or long term illness, as well as an umbrella protection for ordinary maladies. They may never need it, but it is there to protect against illness that would aflict their family. That is what a responsible person does. If you don't want it that is your choice and your risk assessment, but don't ask me to pay for your stupidity and poor choice when you need medical help, pay for it your own damn self.

Since: Jul 12

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#18175 Mar 13, 2013
Remiesong wrote:
<quoted text>if a conservative is selfish and uncaring and a non altruist then they are a republican
It is better to remain silent and thought to be a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt.
Remiesong

Utica, NY

#18176 Mar 13, 2013
De Oppresso Liber wrote:
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Health insurance is not a right, it is a product that is purchased by the prudent as an risk assessment to protect their families and themselves from catastrophic costs of a severe or long term illness, as well as an umbrella protection for ordinary maladies. They may never need it, but it is there to protect against illness that would aflict their family. That is what a responsible person does. If you don't want it that is your choice and your risk assessment, but don't ask me to pay for your stupidity and poor choice when you need medical help, pay for it your own damn self.
and I suppose that is why car insurance is optional. Put another nail in your coffin of stupidity.

Since: Jul 12

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#18177 Mar 13, 2013
Remiesong wrote:
<quoted text>and I suppose that is why car insurance is optional. Put another nail in your coffin of stupidity.
Take public transportation with the other tree huggers, clown. I take responsibiltiy for my actions, so I insure, many people don't despite the law, particularly your cherished illegal invaders.
De Odumbo Conser

Little Falls, NY

#18178 Mar 13, 2013
De Oppresso Liber wrote:
If a conservative doesn't like guns, he doesn't buy one. If a liberal doesn't like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.
If a conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn't eat meat. If a liberal is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for everyone.
If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation. A liberal, wonders who is going to take care of him.
If a conservative doesn't like a talk show host, he switches channels. Liberals demand that those they don't like be shut down.
If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn't go to church. A liberal
non-believer wants any mention of God and Jesus silenced.
If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it. A liberal demands that the rest of us pay for his.
And if a conservative doesn't want an abortion, he doesn't get one. But if a LIBERAL doesn't want an abortion, he wants it outlawed for everyone!

Oh wait...
De Odumbo Conser

Little Falls, NY

#18179 Mar 13, 2013
De Oppresso Liber wrote:
Health insurance is not a right, it is a product that is purchased by the prudent as an risk assessment to protect their families and themselves
Car insurance isn't a right, either, but everyone has to buy that.

"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

I think universal health insurance would "promote the general welfare". But I guess conservatives like you would rather just go to the ER for your care and mooch off those of us who pay for it.
De Odumbo Conser

Little Falls, NY

#18180 Mar 13, 2013
De Oppresso Liber wrote:
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It is better to remain silent and thought to be a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt.
Then I'd be quiet if I were you.

Since: Dec 12

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#18181 Mar 13, 2013
De Odumbo Conser wrote:
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Car insurance isn't a right, either, but everyone has to buy that.
"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
I think universal health insurance would "promote the general welfare". But I guess conservatives like you would rather just go to the ER for your care and mooch off those of us who pay for it.
I pay for my own, the difference is you want me to pay for yours too, if you want insurance pay for it yourself, otherwise go to the emergency room for the sniffles like you always do maggot.
Teddy R

San Francisco, CA

#18182 Mar 13, 2013
Remiesong wrote:
<quoted text> if a conservative is selfish and uncaring and a non altruist then they are a republican
DING DING DING!! We have a winner - ridiculous lib progressive partisan brain fart of the week.

Allow me to retort:

If a lib progressive is unselfish and caring and altruistic to think better of themselves WITH OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY, then they are a self-righteous fraud.

(Question for the group - why is it that the more egregiously mindless lib progressive tools on Topix seem so enamored of screen names with "song" in them??)

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#18183 Mar 13, 2013
De Odumbo Conser wrote:
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Car insurance isn't a right, either, but everyone has to buy that.
"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
I think universal health insurance would "promote the general welfare". But I guess conservatives like you would rather just go to the ER for your care and mooch off those of us who pay for it.
If you drive a car, you have to have liability insurance to protect me from idiots like you that should be on bicycles with training wheels on, apples and oranges, fool.

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#18184 Mar 13, 2013
De Odumbo Conser wrote:
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And if a conservative doesn't want an abortion, he doesn't get one. But if a LIBERAL doesn't want an abortion, he wants it outlawed for everyone!
Oh wait...
You're a prima facie case for abortion
De Odumbo Conser

Little Falls, NY

#18185 Mar 13, 2013
Hingle McCringleberry wrote:
I pay for my own, the difference is you want me to pay for yours too
Negative. I've had my own private health insurance for the entirety my life. Stop projecting.
De Odumbo Conser

Little Falls, NY

#18186 Mar 13, 2013
Teddy R wrote:
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DING DING DING!! We have a winner - ridiculous lib progressive partisan brain fart of the week.
Allow me to retort:
If a lib progressive is unselfish and caring and altruistic to think better of themselves WITH OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY, then they are a self-righteous fraud.
(Question for the group - why is it that the more egregiously mindless lib progressive tools on Topix seem so enamored of screen names with "song" in them??)
Let me ask you something: exactly which other people's money are we spending in this country? Think of the economic output and taxes paid by blue states vs. red states, e.g. New York vs. Alabama, California vs. Kentucky, Connecticut vs. Louisiana, Massachusetts vs. Arkansas, etc. etc.

Seriously, dickweed, who's picking up the tab for whom? It sure as hell isn't the conservatives paying for liberals in this country. Quite the effing opposite, in fact. If you're against redistribution of wealth, as a taxpayer of the state of New York, can I please have my money back? Because I've been paying for roads, schools, bridges, hospitals and memorial coliseums in every backassward, dunghole state in the Republic since I took my first job.
De Odumbo Conser

Little Falls, NY

#18187 Mar 13, 2013
Hingle McCringleberry wrote:
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If you drive a car, you have to have liability insurance to protect me from idiots like you that should be on bicycles with training wheels on, apples and oranges, fool.
BORING.
Remiesong

Ardsley, NY

#18188 Mar 13, 2013
De Oppresso Liber wrote:
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Take public transportation with the other tree huggers, clown. I take responsibiltiy for my actions, so I insure, many people don't despite the law, particularly your cherished illegal invaders.
so your saying Obamas health care an, which forces everyone to insure is a good thing! Thank you !
De Odumbo Conser

Little Falls, NY

#18189 Mar 13, 2013
Hingle McCringleberry wrote:
You're a prima facie case for abortion
So the only response you have is an ad hominem attack? Par for the course. I wouldn't expect more.
WOWW

Massena, NY

#18190 Mar 13, 2013
obamas socialist welfare liberal dems suck.
Teddy R

San Francisco, CA

#18192 Mar 13, 2013
De Odumbo Conser wrote:
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Car insurance isn't a right, either, but everyone has to buy that.
Nonsense. No one is compelled to buy auto insurance unless they freely choose to own a motor vehicle and operate it on pblic roadways.

The individual mandate in ObamaScare is an entirely different matter - this is a case of Government-compelled purchase of insurance simply to LIVE.

Thus your auto insurance comparison is a completely bogus and irrelevant one.
De Odumbo Conser wrote:
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"We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
I think universal health insurance would "promote the general welfare". But I guess conservatives like you would rather just go to the ER for your care and mooch off those of us who pay for it.
You're certainly entitled to your opinion. However, you're not entitled to your own bogus interpretation of the US Constitution.

First, you've cited the Preamble. The preamble of the constitution establishes no powers or rights of the federal government. It merely states the purpose of the constitution. No further development of what "general welfare" means can be made based on the mention of it in the preamble.

The only other place the term "general welfare" occurs is in Article I Section 8 - and even here the general welfare clause has absolutely nothing to do with the confiscation of wealth from one group of individuals and the transferring of it to another. Lib Progressives have completely distorted the meaning of that clause.

"General welfare" as the term is used in the US Constitution refers ONLY to the general welfare of the STATE, not the general welfare of INDIVIDUALS. Thus Article I Section 8 only grants congress the power to collect taxes for the promotion of a general state of well-being for the country as a whole provided the money collected will only be spent by congress according to the limited powers explicitly granted to congress.

Per The 10th Amendment, powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution (such as the wealth redistributive power you are advocating), are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. So if you wish to bring about your lib progressive nirvana, you need to do it throught the States and/or the free private sector (horrors!!), because the federal Gov't does not have the requisite power.

If you doubt the truth of this, please review the transcripts of the Convention debates, Federalist Paper 41 written by James Madison, and the Ratification debates of the Constitution.

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