Web Essay: Something's wrong with teaching in Rochester

Jan 25, 2013 Full story: Rochester Democrat and Chronicle 23

Earlier this month, the New York Education Reform Commission released our preliminary report of recommendations to improve public education in New York State.

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#1 Jan 25, 2013
According to the latest state report cards, only 17 percent of Rochester eighth-graders are proficient in reading, only 20 percent in math. Rochester has the lowest graduation rate of New York’s “Big 5” urban districts and is the only one that didn’t show improvement last year. New research from the Schott Foundation on graduation rates of minority students ranks Rochester at the bottom in the country — only 9 percent of black boys and 11 percent of Hispanic boys graduate on time. These abysmal outcomes are despite some of the highest spending and lowest student-to-teacher ratios in the country.

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#2 Jan 25, 2013
I think the essay title should be.

"Something's wrong with the product teachers have to teach in Rochester"
Gene

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#4 Apr 7, 2013
Agree

Since: Mar 13

Rochester, NY

#5 Apr 7, 2013
It has been proven over and over again the nation over.The more money a school district spends the lower it performs.Money in schools is always used to change things and create new programs and thats the problem.It has long been known that consistency is the key to education not new gadgets and methods.The gadgets and methods might be sound and effective but only when used consistently.When the way things are done and taught is constantly changing it creates confusion and eventually apathy towards education.

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#6 Apr 7, 2013
Teachers can only overcome so much. The kids are no where near school ready when they enter kindergarten. They don't know their alphabet, colors, right from left, etc etc. There is no familial reinforcement or support. They have zero role models. Zero desire to learn. Teachers can't just open up their heads and pour information in. They can replace every single teacher with a new teacher and the end result will be the same.

Since: Mar 13

Rochester, NY

#7 Apr 7, 2013
Steel City Steelers wrote:
Teachers can only overcome so much. The kids are no where near school ready when they enter kindergarten. They don't know their alphabet, colors, right from left, etc etc. There is no familial reinforcement or support. They have zero role models. Zero desire to learn. Teachers can't just open up their heads and pour information in. They can replace every single teacher with a new teacher and the end result will be the same.
Not all the kids,some not all.It's those kids though who get all the attention and resource though.At the expense of the students who can acheive.Not to mention this mamby-pamby way of thinking we have now that "everyone is colledge material and you can be anything you want".It's just not true.I am actually proof of it.When I was in high school I scored very well on test but was not very studious.Whenever I professed intrest or desire in tradesman or mechanical type endeavours I had school officals discourage it everytime.They would say "don't sell yourself short or your to smart you want to go to college".Fact was I did not. I could not stand the idea of at least four more years and a ton of debt.I just wanted to work turning wrenches and start makeing some cash.Some should go to college,some are just as smart but not academic and go into trade schools, some are just dumb and should be trained in retail and service industry.There is nothing wrong with that system it gives everybody a place and puts everybody in their place.
The Crunch Funky

Rochester, NY

#8 Apr 7, 2013
You all are a bunch of suckers. You go to college now there are no jobs and then you have tons of debt.

Caught in consumerism, it's the American way.

buy, buy, buy. mine, mine, mine- then you die.
what a life.
The Crunch Funky

Rochester, NY

#9 Apr 7, 2013
IescapedNY wrote:
I think the essay title should be.
"Something's wrong with the product teachers have to teach in Rochester"
too many fat, white lazy teachers.

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#10 Apr 8, 2013
Steel City Steelers wrote:
Teachers can only overcome so much. The kids are no where near school ready when they enter kindergarten. They don't know their alphabet, colors, right from left, etc etc. There is no familial reinforcement or support. They have zero role models. Zero desire to learn. Teachers can't just open up their heads and pour information in. They can replace every single teacher with a new teacher and the end result will be the same.
Bingo

They should be separated from the very begging. Don't let the losers drag down the achievers who want to learn and show up every day rather than 40-50% of the time.

“Lovin' you is fuuu-uuun...”

Since: Apr 09

drop the puck, Ref...

#11 Apr 8, 2013
DotDashDashDotDot wrote:
<quoted text>Not all the kids,some not all.It's those kids though who get all the attention and resource though.At the expense of the students who can acheive.Not to mention this mamby-pamby way of thinking we have now that "everyone is colledge material and you can be anything you want".It's just not true.I am actually proof of it.When I was in high school I scored very well on test but was not very studious.Whenever I professed intrest or desire in tradesman or mechanical type endeavours I had school officals discourage it everytime.They would say "don't sell yourself short or your to smart you want to go to college".Fact was I did not. I could not stand the idea of at least four more years and a ton of debt.I just wanted to work turning wrenches and start makeing some cash.Some should go to college,some are just as smart but not academic and go into trade schools, some are just dumb and should be trained in retail and service industry.There is nothing wrong with that system it gives everybody a place and puts everybody in their place.
I think if a kid has skills and has a good head on their shoulders; take out the max in student loans that you can and go start a business. Pay it back later...or not as the "educated" ones do(n't).
Alex

Chicago, IL

#12 Apr 12, 2013
Be grateful for what you have

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#13 Apr 12, 2013
They should swap all city teachers with all suburban teachers and see what happens then.
The city always gets the worse white teachers there is cause they can't get hired in the burbs.

Just like the officers in the RPD, the city always gets the bottom of the barrel.

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#14 Apr 12, 2013
morality wrote:
They should swap all city teachers with all suburban teachers and see what happens then.
The city always gets the worse white teachers there is cause they can't get hired in the burbs.
Just like the officers in the RPD, the city always gets the bottom of the barrel.
WRONG

The teachers can only do so much with the product they have to work with. Most of the kid's are destined for failure on day one of kindergarten. Blame the parent(s) and the way they drag these kids up. Education starts at home and with city kids "home" is "FAILING MISERABLY"

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#15 Apr 12, 2013
morality wrote:
They should swap all city teachers with all suburban teachers and see what happens then.
The city always gets the worse white teachers there is cause they can't get hired in the burbs.
Just like the officers in the RPD, the city always gets the bottom of the barrel.
You have no idea (as usual) what you are talking about, Crotchety. None whatsoever! You are making an arse of yourself, YET AGAIN! You are a clueless fool.

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#16 Apr 12, 2013
Wrong.

Its obvious that the city have the worse pick of the bunch when it comes to cops and teachers.

How could anyone say that all or even "any" good teacher would choose to work in the city schools??

City teachers, as well as city cops are the worse.
They can't even find a job anywhere else.

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#17 Apr 12, 2013
morality wrote:
Wrong.
Its obvious that the city have the worse pick of the bunch when it comes to cops and teachers.
How could anyone say that all or even "any" good teacher would choose to work in the city schools??
City teachers, as well as city cops are the worse.
They can't even find a job anywhere else.
Very good point and a valid one. Now answer why they don't/won't "any good teacher would choose to work in the city schools??"
there is a reason why Rochester/city schools are the last choice for the best teachers and thats a problem "city people" are going to have to fix before anything changes. And "City people" know why better than most of us.

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#18 Apr 12, 2013
IescapedNY wrote:
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Very good point and a valid one. Now answer why they don't/won't "any good teacher would choose to work in the city schools??"
there is a reason why Rochester/city schools are the last choice for the best teachers and thats a problem "city people" are going to have to fix before anything changes. And "City people" know why better than most of us.
Well it then goes back to what i first said, so why not say i'm correct?

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#19 Apr 12, 2013
morality wrote:
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Well it then goes back to what i first said, so why not say i'm correct?
The best teachers in the world can't teach when they have nothing to work with. Five year olds know how to lie, cheat, sneak,steal, fight, but they don't know their abc's, how to count to 20, colors, left from right, right from wrong, the list is endless and then they don't even show up half the time.

Since: Mar 13

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#20 Apr 12, 2013
IescapedNY wrote:
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The best teachers in the world can't teach when they have nothing to work with. Five year olds know how to lie, cheat, sneak,steal, fight, but they don't know their abc's, how to count to 20, colors, left from right, right from wrong, the list is endless and then they don't even show up half the time.
True

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#21 Apr 12, 2013
IescapedNY wrote:
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The best teachers in the world can't teach when they have nothing to work with. Five year olds know how to lie, cheat, sneak,steal, fight, but they don't know their abc's, how to count to 20, colors, left from right, right from wrong, the list is endless and then they don't even show up half the time.
So your saying now that the city has the worse teachers, and its for a reason?
Well, if the best teachers can't do it, then how can the worse do it? I still stay swap city teachers with the suburban teachers.
If suburban kids have so much to work with, then they must not really need the best teacher anyways?

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