Car dealers scam posting as owners on...
Stacey

Penfield, NY

#88 Jan 25, 2014
Dorky Dave wrote:
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Answer 1 They are being reported to the state for advertising as an owner instead of a dealer
Answer 2 If these bums are willing to cheat CL out of the 5 dollar fee what does that say to any potential car buyer that they will cheat and swindle them to make a buck.
Nickbo,

Do you even have a high school diploma??

1) who's reporting them? you don't even say the names of the dealers??
What NYS law says it's against the law to "advertise on Craigslist as an owner instead of a dealer"???

2) Many company's not just cars advertise on Craigslist as an individual to cheat cl, but it doesn't mean they are going to lie to the customer when making the sale. But if they do, who cares, isn't that what we think of used car sales men anyways.

3) many companies cheat on cl not just car dealers, how come you aren't reporting any of them???
Your Mom

North Chili, NY

#90 Jan 26, 2014
Could it be you hate small dealers posting as owners because you can't tire kick, low-ball and have to pay the appropriate amount of tax, tag and title? If you reach a dealer posting as an owner just move on until you find what you like. Hardly worth wasting time bitching about it, and it's not illegal. Sounds like you might be an ex Kodaker tire kicker from Greece. Constantly trying to low-ball people out of their possessions. You are an oxygen thief.
Former Dealer

Rush, NY

#92 Jan 26, 2014
Small used car dealers use the owner section to get more calls.

Flippers use the owner section cuz they are illegal dealers.

CL now charges $5 to dealers and has specifically put in the terms of use that dealers violating the fee and correct section can be sanctioned and even banned by CL for TOU violations.

It is TRUE that ANYONE selling more than 5 vehicles in one year must register as a dealer. That includes vehicles titled in your own name or other names. If YOU sell the car it counts as one of the five sales for the year.

Dealer regs also state the ANY dealer advertising MUST contain the dealership name or the dealership number.

Any violations discovered by DMV (and most never are) can be sanctioned by fine or other restrictions to the offending dealer.

So, if the DMV gets reports of these people violating the regs, they WILL investigate and inspect the dealer for violations. It's very unusual for the DMV to scan classifieds for offenders, but WILL respond to multiple complaints against dealers.

Now that I am no longer a dealer, I will not buy from anyone who LIES about being a dealer since it tells me right off that s/he cannot be trusted.

After 20 years in the business, I have seen much more dishonesty than honesty. Don't be fooled though it happens in EVERY type of business too.
Current Dealer

Penfield, NY

#93 Jan 26, 2014
Former Dealer wrote:
Small used car dealers use the owner section to get more calls.
Flippers use the owner section cuz they are illegal dealers.
CL now charges $5 to dealers and has specifically put in the terms of use that dealers violating the fee and correct section can be sanctioned and even banned by CL for TOU violations.
It is TRUE that ANYONE selling more than 5 vehicles in one year must register as a dealer. That includes vehicles titled in your own name or other names. If YOU sell the car it counts as one of the five sales for the year.
Dealer regs also state the ANY dealer advertising MUST contain the dealership name or the dealership number.
Any violations discovered by DMV (and most never are) can be sanctioned by fine or other restrictions to the offending dealer.
So, if the DMV gets reports of these people violating the regs, they WILL investigate and inspect the dealer for violations. It's very unusual for the DMV to scan classifieds for offenders, but WILL respond to multiple complaints against dealers.
Now that I am no longer a dealer, I will not buy from anyone who LIES about being a dealer since it tells me right off that s/he cannot be trusted.
After 20 years in the business, I have seen much more dishonesty than honesty. Don't be fooled though it happens in EVERY type of business too.
nice try nickbo, but you comment is about 80 percent untrue.
Current Dealer

Penfield, NY

#94 Jan 26, 2014
Former Dealer wrote:
Small used car dealers use the owner section to get more calls.
Flippers use the owner section cuz they are illegal dealers.
CL now charges $5 to dealers and has specifically put in the terms of use that dealers violating the fee and correct section can be sanctioned and even banned by CL for TOU violations.
It is TRUE that ANYONE selling more than 5 vehicles in one year must register as a dealer. That includes vehicles titled in your own name or other names. If YOU sell the car it counts as one of the five sales for the year.
Dealer regs also state the ANY dealer advertising MUST contain the dealership name or the dealership number.
Any violations discovered by DMV (and most never are) can be sanctioned by fine or other restrictions to the offending dealer.
So, if the DMV gets reports of these people violating the regs, they WILL investigate and inspect the dealer for violations. It's very unusual for the DMV to scan classifieds for offenders, but WILL respond to multiple complaints against dealers.
Now that I am no longer a dealer, I will not buy from anyone who LIES about being a dealer since it tells me right off that s/he cannot be trusted.
After 20 years in the business, I have seen much more dishonesty than honesty. Don't be fooled though it happens in EVERY type of business too.
Prove it all, provide links to your statements.
Former Dealer

Rush, NY

#95 Jan 26, 2014
WRONG!

My statements are 100% CORRECT.

Feel free to prove me wrong! You can find ALL the info on the DMV and Craigslist sites if you aren't too freekin lazy to look.
pissed off car shopper

Rochester, NY

#96 Jan 26, 2014
looks like a lot of those dealers are showing up here , lol, it must be working.....lets try the name of websmart first, then anything with wheels, and angelo motors, there are many, many more, how bout that dude on broad street.....do I need to call all of you out?
Stacey

Penfield, NY

#97 Jan 26, 2014
Former Dealer wrote:
WRONG!
My statements are 100% CORRECT.
Feel free to prove me wrong! You can find ALL the info on the DMV and Craigslist sites if you aren't too freekin lazy to look.
WRONG.

You can't give links cause there is no such links cause you made it all up.
Former Dealer

Rush, NY

#98 Jan 26, 2014
Stacey wrote:
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WRONG.
You can't give links cause there is no such links cause you made it all up.
WRONG!

My statements are 100% CORRECT.

Feel free to prove me wrong! You can find ALL the info on the DMV and Craigslist sites if you aren't too freekin lazy to look.
Former Dealer

Rush, NY

#99 Jan 26, 2014
Stacey wrote:
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WRONG.
You can't give links cause there is no such links cause you made it all up.
.

Here ya go dummass!!!! LOL!!!!!

http://www.dmv.ny.gov/forms.htm#cr78

http://www.craigslist.org/about/ctd

"Q. What happens if a dealer posts in "by owner" to avoid the fee.

A. They will be subject to ad removal, account closure, and other remedial actions. Please flag any dealer ads in "by owner." "
DMV Friend

Alden, NY

#101 Jan 26, 2014
Stacey

Penfield, NY

#102 Jan 26, 2014
DMV Friend

Alden, NY

#103 Jan 26, 2014
Stacey wrote:
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If you can't identify the name of the dealer then your comments or emails are useless.
My guess is we will just have to see if my emails with examples of these guys posting as owners are useless, chances are they have their phone numbers on their dealer license application.
Sickofbs

West Valley, NY

#104 Jan 26, 2014
Just go to the NYS DMV website and search for form " vs-35" fill it in, send it in and they will git a visit....You can get any info needed from 1 phone call, just show a little interest...include the cl add # and listed info ....waalaa..
NY state has people itching to find lost tax dollars.....
Stacey

Penfield, NY

#105 Jan 26, 2014
Sickofbs wrote:
Just go to the NYS DMV website and search for form " vs-35" fill it in, send it in and they will git a visit....You can get any info needed from 1 phone call, just show a little interest...include the cl add # and listed info ....waalaa..
NY state has people itching to find lost tax dollars.....
He didn't get a car repaired or inspected, and he didn't purchase a car, so a vs-35 from is useless as well as reporting it to DMV.

There isn't any dealers here selling as a owner.

duh,.
Stacey

Penfield, NY

#106 Jan 26, 2014
nickbo reminds me of the type of person that calls 911 when mcdonald's gives him 19 chicken nuggets instead of 20.
DMV Friend

Alden, NY

#107 Jan 26, 2014
Stacey wrote:
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There isn't any dealers here selling as a owner.
duh,.
Spoken like a dealer !!
Tommy Rules

Alden, NY

#108 Jan 27, 2014
I agree Stacy is either a dealer herself or is married to one
Sickofbs

West Valley, NY

#109 Jan 27, 2014
DMV will take that form and run with it ....it starts the investigation that will only go BAD for the person that is selling more than 5 vehicles per year..Since the cl adds are referenced it only takes a little reseaech on the part of the authorities and connect the dots .....dah...do you have a cl account...check it out all you adds are available to look at..add up the cars listed...dah....dah....dah..cl is wise to this abuse and are watching it , keep flagging tbe adds it will bring attention to the cheaters....cl does classify the section as " by owner, private party sales" that should say it all....dah
Tommy Rules

Alden, NY

#110 Jan 27, 2014
Great post Sick !!!

These guys simplt dont get it .... just post in the deaelr section and everyone is happy.

Stay out of the owner section if you are a dealer

Just pay the 5 dollar fee to advertise

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