Man charged with manslaughter in fatal hunting accident

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The New York State Police in Amity, under the direction of the Allegany County District Attorney Terrence Parker, arrested John Gisel of Webster for manslaughter in the second degree in connection with the ...

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Dec 13, 2007
 
unfortunately, accidents are a regrettable fact of life. Having your actions being the cause of someones life being cut short and having to live the rest of yours knowing it, is punishment enough in most cases
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#2
Dec 13, 2007
 
It sounds like this was not an accidental stray bullet/ricochet - He claims he actually thought he was shooting at a deer. If he can't tell the difference between a deer and a person, he has no business hunting!
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#3
Dec 13, 2007
 
Your suppose to know what your shooting at, not being a sound shooter like a LOT of people are.
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#4
Dec 13, 2007
 
Really, this guy thought it was a deer. I don't buy it. If it IS true, then he certainly shouldn't have been hunting. Period. People don't look like deer.
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Dec 14, 2007
 
Boy you people got this one wrong, the guy did not say that he "thought he was shooting at a deer" nor did he state that to the police...that statement was manufactured by a reporter who needed to make the story "interesting"...the reporter also created a statement that the shooting occurred from 30 feet away not the ninety yards that was actually between the individuals...nor did they state that the unfortunate victim and his three friends were trespassing and hunting on posted land that they had no business being on (were they cited for trespassing)...the individual who shot was errant was on his own property and had no reason to expect trespassers to be where they were....the victim was crawling in underbrush (not too damn smart by any means during hunting season) to try and roust deer which he did causing two deer to come out into the open the first of which was shot by the loandowner and the second ofwhich was shot at by the landowner ...and as to the shooting since the bullet lodged in the neck and did not go through the victim it is readily apparent that something decreased the velocity of the deer slug prior to it striking the victim a richochet sounds very feasible...this appears to be nothing more than an unfortunate accident...maybe the media shouldn't make up stories and lie about what is in the police reports....but then if the media did that then it wouldn't be much of a story would it
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Dec 15, 2007
 
gocanes84 wrote:
Boy you people got this one wrong, the guy did not say that he "thought he was shooting at a deer" nor did he state that to the police...that statement was manufactured by a reporter who needed to make the story "interesting"...the reporter also created a statement that the shooting occurred from 30 feet away not the ninety yards that was actually between the individuals...nor did they state that the unfortunate victim and his three friends were trespassing and hunting on posted land that they had no business being on (were they cited for trespassing)...the individual who shot was errant was on his own property and had no reason to expect trespassers to be where they were....the victim was crawling in underbrush (not too damn smart by any means during hunting season) to try and roust deer which he did causing two deer to come out into the open the first of which was shot by the loandowner and the second ofwhich was shot at by the landowner ...and as to the shooting since the bullet lodged in the neck and did not go through the victim it is readily apparent that something decreased the velocity of the deer slug prior to it striking the victim a richochet sounds very feasible...this appears to be nothing more than an unfortunate accident...maybe the media shouldn't make up stories and lie about what is in the police reports....but then if the media did that then it wouldn't be much of a story would it
Wow are you ever off base. It was a rifle, not a shotgun slug. It did enter and exit. Your the only post that has said 30 ft. Brandons group had permission to hunt the land. John did NOT have permission to be there. There we no deer he was shooting at.(deer leave tracks in the snow, in case you didn't know that) Your a piece a of work.

John, you should tell your buddies to stop spreading lies on here, there IQ seems to be even smaller than yours. Keep in mind, your jurrors may be reading these, and seeing the company your keeping will NOT help your cause.

It the facts were not there, the DA would not have pressed the highest charge he could. The DEC also has a string of charges yet to be presented.

Another interesting fact. Brandon radioed his hunting partners that he saw John, moments before he was shot. What impaired John's ability to see Brandon, He didn't see a person walking, making noise, clad in blaze orange????

Hopefully the shooter was tested for substance abuse.

As for what he was shooting at, he changed his story a few times to the investigators already, lets see what story he tells at the trial.
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Dec 16, 2007
 
gocanes84 wrote:
Boy you people got this one wrong, the guy did not say that he "thought he was shooting at a deer" nor did he state that to the police...that statement was manufactured by a reporter who needed to make the story "interesting"...the reporter also created a statement that the shooting occurred from 30 feet away not the ninety yards that was actually between the individuals...nor did they state that the unfortunate victim and his three friends were trespassing and hunting on posted land that they had no business being on (were they cited for trespassing)...the individual who shot was errant was on his own property and had no reason to expect trespassers to be where they were....the victim was crawling in underbrush (not too damn smart by any means during hunting season) to try and roust deer which he did causing two deer to come out into the open the first of which was shot by the loandowner and the second ofwhich was shot at by the landowner ...and as to the shooting since the bullet lodged in the neck and did not go through the victim it is readily apparent that something decreased the velocity of the deer slug prior to it striking the victim a richochet sounds very feasible...this appears to be nothing more than an unfortunate accident...maybe the media shouldn't make up stories and lie about what is in the police reports....but then if the media did that then it wouldn't be much of a story would it
An unfortunate accident? Sorry, but if you're toting a rifle you'd darn well better know what you're shooting at! The DEC investigation as mentioned in the Hornell Evening Tribute, said that Mr. Gisel did not have clear visibility. It said he had NO visibility. I'm absolutely certain he regrets what happened and did not intend to kill Mr. Hough, but still, he didn't follow even the most basic safety rule -- don't shoot unless you know what you're shooting at! As for your other comments, I believe you've been misled as to the facts.

Lastly, please don't insult our intelligence and the serious nature of this incident by blaming the victim.
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Dec 28, 2007
 
It is what it is ... a horrible accident. Don't get all your information from the media. You should know that every story gets distorted one way or another. Get in trouble sometime and you'll find out for yourself!

Is there ever a time when a hunter knows exactly what is behind the deer they are shooting at? For miles? I don't think so.
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Jan 3, 2008
 
peta wrote:
It is what it is ... a horrible accident. Don't get all your information from the media. You should know that every story gets distorted one way or another. Get in trouble sometime and you'll find out for yourself!
Is there ever a time when a hunter knows exactly what is behind the deer they are shooting at? For miles? I don't think so.
i always look beyond my target before i pull the trigger.im a sucsessful hunter and have lost many a deer looking beyond and being safe.better that,than shooting blind!
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Jan 3, 2008
 
You must be superman because most people can't see through pine trees.
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Jan 3, 2008
 
peta wrote:
You must be superman because most people can't see through pine trees.
no not superman.just a responsible hunter.and most people who get shot while hunting are moving thru someone elses hunt,and shouldn't be there in the first place.and last i knew most bullets are stopped trees.
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#14
Jan 3, 2008
 
How could he think it was a deer people are different then deer they are white with camo on and Deer are brown with white dots if its a fone, or they have white under their tail. I am a hunter myself and i cant believe he thought that he was shooting a deer. that's wrong, bc as they teach u in Hunter's safty course, u always watch what u are looking at and make sure it's Not a human, and U dont shoot if u think it is, wait until they get out in the open, and oh yeah we havfe to many Fatal Hunting accidents people need to go back to the hunters saftey course and redue it.
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Jan 3, 2008
 
Well maybe all you hunters need to have little GPS devices strapped to your belt since at anytime you could be creeping up on property lines without anyone knowing it. Not a bad idea eh? Some unlucky guy gets shot every year.
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#16
Jan 3, 2008
 
There are both a Lot of Good Hunters and Stupid ones out there.

In the past I hunted in the same area every year, I would move inside the area daily to another spot depending on the trails being used.

Many times have I been in a spot to hear crunch crunch and know this is NOT a Deer only to see another Hunter Oblivious to the surroundings stop right in my line of fire. Not that My Blaze Orange isn't bright enough! So I start to make noise like cough, so they know someone else is there, and I move out of the area to another spot I have also scouted. This happened at least once a year and in different spots, some people just do not look around first.
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Jan 19, 2008
 
By BOB CLARK
Daily Reporter
Wed Jan 16, 2008, 10:41 AM EST

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"The deer hunter accused of shooting another north of Almond in December has waived his rights to a preliminary hearing, according to the district attorney and town justice handling the case.
According to Allegany County District Attorney Terrence Parker on Monday, the manslaughter charges against John Gisel, 38, of Webster, are being transferred from Almond town court to the Allegany county court.
“Local courts only have preliminary jurisdiction in felony cases,” he said, adding local courts can arraign defendants on felony counts or hold preliminary hearings if the defense requests them.
“We received a letter from his attorney, John Sparanza of Rochester, asking to transfer the case to county court,” Parker said, adding Gisel is waiving any preliminary hearings.
The official word from the Almond town court, however, is not in yet.
“The court clerks do not add anything to the court schedule without physically having the paperwork in their hands,” he said.
According to Almond Town Justice Paul Johnson, he is aware of Gisel’s waiver and will issue an order to send the case to the county court.
As for when the case will be heard, Parker thinks it will be sooner rather than later.
“(The case) will probably be heard close to the end of the month,” he said.
Gisel was charged with killing Brandon D. Haugh, 30, of Geneseo, in the morning hours of Dec. 1, 2007. According to state police, Haugh was shot in the neck by a round from a .30-06 rifle"
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Jan 20, 2008
 
peta wrote:
Well maybe all you hunters need to have little GPS devices strapped to your belt since at anytime you could be creeping up on property lines without anyone knowing it. Not a bad idea eh? Some unlucky guy gets shot every year.
hmmm ... that sounds like a good christmas present next year from Ronco...

Chilly - thinks he might like being shot ...once

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Jan 20, 2008
 
Where are posts 6, and 8???
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Jan 20, 2008
 
Living in a house with a guy whos family lives for hunting, eats drinks sleeps breathes hunting. They even say that the numer 1 rule is DONT SHOOT IF YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOUR SHOOTING AT. if your not certain its a deer, then dont shoot until your certain! Those are my only thoughts on this case. Were there any witnesses besides the shooter? How do these people know that the media is fabricating the story?

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#21
Jan 20, 2008
 
My family has been hunting for as long as I can remember. My dad, his dad, his dad, etc. Nobody in my family or anybody I have ever knew that has hunted has even come close to shooting anyone. If you don't know exactly, 100% shure of what your shooting at, then don't shoot. You don't shoot at noises and something that you think is a deer. Someone could dress up in a brown suit, tape a tail to their but and strap on horns and I could tell you the difference. Same as those moron dummy's that shoot the DEC's mechanical deer. If you can't tell the difference between a fake and a real deer you shouldn't be anywhere near the woods.

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Jan 20, 2008
 
peta wrote:
It is what it is ... a horrible accident. Don't get all your information from the media. You should know that every story gets distorted one way or another. Get in trouble sometime and you'll find out for yourself!
Is there ever a time when a hunter knows exactly what is behind the deer they are shooting at? For miles? I don't think so.
Please don't comment on subjects you clearly know nothing about. Be Superman to see through trees?? Come on. IF YOU CANT SEE AND IDENTIFY YOUR TARGET AND KNOW EXCACLY WHERE THAT BULLET IS GOING IF YOU MISS, DO NOT SHOOT. If there is a chance the bullet is going to go miles and kill someone then don't shoot. Sound to me this happened pretty close, not miles away. When was the las time you heard of anyone catching a bullet from miles away anyway??

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