dear rpd (regarding pregnant woman video)
Posted in the Rochester Forum
#1 Aug 28, 2013
i say the following with the utmost respect
i just watched the video of your officer punching a pregnant woman
yes, citizens should not resist
yes the woman was in the wrong, but so was the policeman.
frankly, im sick of the out of control militarized police in our nation, and these events have become a daily occurrence in our country.
we as a society constantly see police yelling, screaming, and acting this way. the people acting that way, are NOT in control of ANYTHING, NOR WILL THEY EVER BE. NO one who must resort to out of control tactics will ever be in control, nor will they gain the compliance, respect, or help of the community. no matter how much force is used.
the rpd and police in general need to be trained differently, these out of control militarized tactics only lead to further problems in the community.
if a person is not calm and fully in control of themselves, they should not be a police officer, the officer in this video CLEARLY is out of control and is not safely in control of his emotions or actions. ANY psychologist/psychiatrist who views this video will concur unless they have been paid to say otherwise.
his statement that he making stating that he doesnt care if shes pregnant before punching her in the head made it very clear to anyone familiar with psychology.
while we are on the subject, "resisting arrest" in this nation has become a catchphrase that allows police to get away with murder. literally.
just because a pregnant woman "resists arrest" does not mean the police can punch her in her head. even in a world where he could...he shouldnt.
under NO CIRCUMSTANCE is it EVER ok for a LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER to punch someone in the head PERIOD
each and every time there is a major event in our city, every time there is a shooting, the chief of police comes on tv and says
"we need the help of the community"
"we need the community to come forward and work with us to put an end to this violence"
well chief, when your officers do things like this, and you go on tv to defend them, YOU LOSE.
Most importantly however, the good people of the community lose, because now it is them who suffer.
the criminals dont suffer. the good people do.
the police also suffer because now they lost the cooperation of that part of the community.
it is these types of actions and events that further escalate the violence in our neighborhoods. Police should be DEESCALATING, not escalating the violence in a city rampant with violence.
this pregnant woman, right or not, has a family. we all know what side that family is on now.
they are not on the side of the police, they will not come forward to ever help the police, and quite plausibly the actions of that one cop, has now endangered the lives of all of his police partners, due to the family or friends plausibly seeking retribution.
for all we know, the family of this woman could be plotting to go after rpd or that specific officer right now.
Even if they arent, with these types of actions, with events like this, that happen on a daily basis across our nation, its only a matter of time until what i speak of happens.
this nonsense isnt making our city any safer, its not making the community safer, its not making the police safer.
its time to change tactics, its time to change training, its time to raise the bar and have higher requirements for who we give a badge to. our society is dependent upon this.
or we can keep on going this same way
i simply leave you with a quote from Einstein
"doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is the definition of insanity"
#2 Aug 28, 2013
I am getting tired of people acting out, attacking the police and then screaming they are the victim. They continue to act out over and over and think because that is the way THEY live, they should be allowed to do that.
That woman would of been safe if she stayed out the situation. But first she verbally abused them, okay, who cares, then she goes to attack an officer, then she struggles to resist arrest. AND THEN, only then, does the drama start about her being pregnant.
If she really cared about her baby, she would of been standing off to the side when the police arrived and not get involved.
And you are really putting the blame on the police for violence escalating? Are you kidding me? That responsibility lays with the people breaking the law. They need to take responsibility for their actions. And they don't. That's why they continue to act like this. It's something you start learning as a toddler. These adults were never taught that and they will never teach their children either. THAT IS THE PROBLEM.
It's common sense 101. Stop acting crazy and if you do, take responsibility for your actions.
#3 Aug 28, 2013
I simply leave you wit a quote from da hamma ...
"Willfully confusin an open-handed slap wit a punch, over an over again, is da clinical definition of a woefully ig'nant blind man."
#4 Aug 29, 2013
"And you are really putting the blame on the police for violence escalating? Are you kidding me? That responsibility lays with the people breaking the law. They need to take responsibility for their actions. And they don't. That's why they continue to act like this. It's something you start learning as a toddler. These adults were never taught that and they will never teach their children either. THAT IS THE PROBLEM. "
you dont understand the situation at hand
you also have reading comprehension issues which you should address to enhance the quality of your own life.
the following is a direct quote from my original statement
"yes, citizens should not resist
yes the woman was in the wrong, but so was the policeman."
i clearly stated the woman was in the wrong.
i also clearly stand by what i said about the officer.
I have read that the chief claims these are tactics they were trained to use.
that is why i clearly stated that different training and tactics are needed.
every time there is a shooting, the chief comes on and says the police need the cooperation of the community and their help to solve our problems.
they have bbqs and "chief on the street" type events in order to bring the community and law enforcement closer together.
a large amount of time, money, and resources are bring spent on this issue because the OFFICIALS and the community all feel it is important.
if this is important in order for us to better our community, then that should be a MAIN GOAL.
If that is a main goal, then the tactics and the image of police actions require change
this is not an opinion, this is mathematical.
it is an if and then situation.
IF the goal of the rpd is to better our community and make it safer by bringing the community and law enforcement closer together THEN the actions that this officer took damaged the achievement of that goal and these tactics require revision
this is a simple mathematical equation that is very clear when addressed from an unbiased, logic based, mathematical vantage point
you also fail to see the blatantly obvious.
its 2013, we all know the laws.
while criminals arent going to obey laws, we still expect the police and good citizens to obey laws.
when police use tactics like we are seeing, the line becomes blurred as to whos the good guy.
here in this situation, sure the pregnant woman obviously should not resist arrest.
lets look at reality and what we know for sure.
We know that pregnant women have resisted arrest in the past, and we know that it will happen again in the future.
what is the best way for a cop to handle the arrest of a pregnant woman resisting arrest?
i assure you, the best tactic is NOT to punch her in the back of the head then throw her to the ground.
the way you defend these tactics, is no different then if you were to say we shouldve committed genocide against the germans simply because they attempted to commit genocide against the jews in ww2
we should expect better of our species in 2013
#5 Aug 29, 2013
ignorance is arguing semantics in a futile attempt to appear educated
youre going to publicly take the stance that its okey to slap a pregnant woman?
just want to be clear on this
a human going by the name "da hamma" using the word "ig'nant" is cool with "open handed slapping pregnant woman"
at least its here for the world to see where you stand
#10 Aug 29, 2013
Sorry, I just don't agree with you. The woman was clearly out of line. The police had to do what they had to do. It was HER fault to bring them to that action. She is a menace at home, on the street, to her unborn child and in the courtroom.
Being a woman does not allow her to attack people and then expect to be exempt from what is going to happen to her.
Being pregnant does not allow her to attack people and then expect to be exempt from what is going to happen to her.
She does not care about the baby growing inside of her and I find that disgusting. That poor child already has no future.
And we won't even get into what she did in court during her arraignment. Really, who does this woman think she is?
#11 Aug 29, 2013
are you hitler? willfully ignorant? or paid to take the stance you are taking?
you keep saying "you dont agree with me, the woman was out of line"
that is MY STANCE i said the woman was out of line, i specifically said she shouldnt have done what she did. you are clearly displaying a blatant agenda by continuing to push that part of the issue
you then try to change the topic to what happened at her arraignment, thats completely irrelevant to what im discussing here. thats an entirely different topic altogether that has NOTHING to do with the incident at hand
from your words, chances are very high you are law enforcement, family of law enforcement, or one of the 1st three things i mentioned in this comment.(hitler, willfully ignorant, or paid to take your stance)
you are taking the stance that no matter WHAT the police may have done, they are automatically in the right because "she resisted"
the ways you are preaching are the exact ways that allowed hitler to come into power
"hey, she resisted, so we should just commit genocide shouldnt where?"
"hey they are acting like lesser humans so its ok for us to kill em all"
where do you draw the line?
i dont care if the cop legally CAN do what he did, the point ive made, is in 2013, we as a species, CAN and SHOULD do better, require better.
there are MANY other ways the cop couldve CONTROLLED the situation, other than the way that he did. The blatant, obvious, mathematical, scientific fact is that the tactic this specific officer took was UNNECESSARY and did NOTHING beneficial for ANY party involved, INCLUDING the officer in question.
lastly to be specifically clear, this has NOTHING to do with even the woman in question. you keep continuing to demonize her but my stance has nothing to do with her. nor am i defending her or her actions.
she could be the most vile evil being on the planet, but the bottom line is the police can do better, should do better, and by NOT doing better, they only make problems worse for THEMSELVES and THE COMMUNITY, because no matter WHAT you or anyone else thinks, the community involved, is now NOT on the side of the police.
you saw all the people in the neighborhood on the video, do you think they will now help the police in the future?
we all know the answer
these actions damaged community relations, these actions that continually take place damage community relations, and when the chief of police is coming on tv saying we need to mend community relations, then by definition, these tactics are the wrong tactics
#12 Aug 29, 2013
Now you willfully confusin semantics wit da troof.
Ima publicly take the stance you lied, over an over again, in your original post. Just want to be clear on this.
Reading Comprehension 101 is 2 doors down on the right. Gitta steppin, son.
#13 Aug 29, 2013
how old are you?
go raise your vocabulary level and stop acting like a jackass
as to your "troof" i can quote each and every local news outlet saying that the woman was indeed punched
the only one saying otherwise is a donkeys rear end on topix
so the documented publicly accepted FACT is that she was PUNCHED and you are a vile ugly hideous troll with nothing better to do than play games
go take a long walk off a short pier while wearing cement shoes
#14 Aug 29, 2013
In Hilton a white guy punched another white guy in the head and it killed him.
So wouldn't that mean the RPD is trained to use deadly force to arrest someone for what again? talking back to them?
#15 Aug 29, 2013
Who did she attack??
What was she being arrested for?
What was her brother being arrested for?
#16 Aug 29, 2013
I agree with "sawitcoming", the main difference between the military and the police, is that the police are supposed to be a non leathal force.
The weapons they use are supposed to be non leathal too.
However, there is a growing trend for police to look and be equipped like a special forces strike team. and every answer to violence is to be more violent.
look at all the armored vehicles that showed up at the boston bombing.
It makes the police look like an invading army, or an occupying force.
People living in an occupied area tend to find ways to resist.
Gone are the "seriff Andy Taylor" types that you wouldn't hesitate to bring your problems to for a commonsense answer.
Now there is a army of "Barny Fifes" who need to keep their bullets in their pockets.
#17 Aug 29, 2013
Posessing pepper spray and interfering with an arrest
#19 Aug 29, 2013
Is you frontin again, son? I think you is ...
From da links posted on da forum ...
Joangel Concepcion, la chica de mis suenos y el amor de mi vida, describes it thus ...
"Then the officer hits the woman in her head ..."
Sheba Clarke rochester.ynn.com
"... Brenda ... is then punched in the head by an officer trying to get her to calm down."
(Calm down? Is you mean handcuffed, Sheba gurl?)
No mention of a punch
(is you sure?)
Uh-huh, I knowed you frontin, son!
#20 Aug 29, 2013
Watching the Rochester natives is quite a comedy show.
#21 Aug 29, 2013
RPD is young, unprepared and out of control just like the natives.
#24 Aug 29, 2013
whatever you say officer, enjoy creating further problems while losing the support of the community and while costing the community and law enforcement time, money, and resources as these investigations take place
even the mayor and lovely warren believe this situation was uncalled for and believe there should be investigations.
i never once supported the woman who resisted arrest, im simply trying to make our community better for all involved, you all just seem to be obsessed with defending the police nonstop no matter what
we know about whats going on with the nsa and the "cyber teams", its blatantly obvious whos who, and who you are
you can spend all the money time and resources trying to spread your propaganda here but we all know im right, including you
we get it, she resisted, so you feel the police have the option to do ANYTHING
we get it
we get that you dont care if police use excessive force
we get it, you wouldnt have cared if the police shot her in the head
we get it, you wouldnt care if he fisted her and ripped the baby our with his bare hands
we get it, you wouldnt care if a cop shot a toddler in the face, as long as the toddler was "resisting arrest"
now f off and take your ignorant neanderthal tactic supporting backside elsewhere
and unless youre rpd, which this "novel" is directed to, no one asked you to read my "novels"
"YOU are not the ONLY person entitled to an opinion on this."
i stated no opinion, i stated mathematical scientific fact and your only option to debate me is to attack me personally because you cant attack the issues
your only option is to say she resisted so the police have a blank check to do as they wish
again, i even conceded that fact, the police DO have the option to do as they wish, ive simply stated the mathematical scientific fact that the option they chose was CLEARLY not the best option available
if you continue to attempt to claim that was the best option available and the police are right no matter what, then it is you who are spewing opinion rather than fact, and your opinion, is factually ignorant
it is undeniable that these actions caused a rift between the community and law enforcement
it is undeniable that these actions caused problems for the officer involved as the officer involved is no under investigation which by definition is a problem
it is undeniable that these actions have caused a problem for the community because now specific members of the community are extremely less likely to cooperate with law enforcement in future problems
it is undeniable that these actions have caused a problem for all tax payers because now this investigation will cost time money and resources in order to finalize
nothing i have stated is opinion, everything i have stated here is 100 percent fact and your nonsense propaganda is blatantly obvious
#25 Aug 29, 2013
people have been killed by a punch to the head on countless occasions
if a punch to the head can scientifically kill someone, than the tactic used had the potential to kill, as the tactic used was a "strike to the head"
the entire point of this post is that a tactic that can potentially TAKE THE LIFE of a HUMAN BEING, is the WRONG TACTIC to use, EVEN IF THE COPS HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO USE DEADLY FORCE
however in my opinion, in 2013, we do not need the authority to use deadly force, simply for resisting arrest
there are countless video documented evidence of police "claiming" someone is resisting arrest, just so they can beat the hell out of the person
#26 Aug 29, 2013
the rpd should not be on the same level, they should be above this nonsense
#27 Aug 29, 2013
since when it is illegal in the city of rochester to possess pepper spray?
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