Global warming 'undeniable,' scientis...

Global warming 'undeniable,' scientists say

There are 37750 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Jul 29, 2010, titled Global warming 'undeniable,' scientists say. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

Scientists from around the world are providing even more evidence of global warming, one day after President Barack Obama renewed his call for climate legislation.

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gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#27168 Jun 14, 2013
Strength is of two kinds; how much you can lift, and how much you can bear.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#27169 Jun 14, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>WOW.
Dieing? Yet why .. did you put [sic] for "people?"
Disjointed middle.
I suppose taxes could kill, but I don't think we've gotten there yet.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#27170 Jun 14, 2013
(Reuters)- The world will have enough wind turbines to generate more than 300 gigawatts of power - the equivalent of 114 nuclear power plants - by the end of the year, industry figures show.

As Brazil, China, Mexico and South Africa add turbines, the figure represents modest growth compared with a year ago, when the overall total capacity was just over 280 gigawatts.

"Worldwide installed wind power will exceed 300 gigawatts of power capacity this year," Peter Sennekamp, media officer for the European Wind Energy Association (EWEA), said, citing figures compiled by EWEA and the Global Wind Energy Council.

But...but...but, I thought someone said that wind wouldn't work!
Sunny

Longview, WA

#27171 Jun 14, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
(Reuters)- The world will have enough wind turbines to generate more than 300 gigawatts of power - the equivalent of 114 nuclear power plants - by the end of the year, industry figures show.
As Brazil, China, Mexico and South Africa add turbines, the figure represents modest growth compared with a year ago, when the overall total capacity was just over 280 gigawatts.
"Worldwide installed wind power will exceed 300 gigawatts of power capacity this year," Peter Sennekamp, media officer for the European Wind Energy Association (EWEA), said, citing figures compiled by EWEA and the Global Wind Energy Council.
But...but...but, I thought someone said that wind wouldn't work!
Take a drive out west an look at the forest of steel called wind power, oh it's so BEAUTIFUL and the bird's just love them to death.
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#27172 Jun 14, 2013
Telling a moron what I know, seems like a zero sum game.... When you "master" single syllable words, feel free to offer to compensate me for advice.

Could it be, because I don't respect proven morons ?

Yeah, speculating is more (4) syllables, THROW isn't.
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#27173 Jun 14, 2013
ACCEPT THE WAGER>>>> LOSER !!!!

NICE IRONY....

"...seems you always duck and dodge after you make a claim."

NICE IRONY....

"...seems you always duck and dodge after you make a claim."

NICE IRONY....

"...seems you always duck and dodge after you make a claim."

NICE IRONY....

"...seems you always duck and dodge after you make a claim."

NICE IRONY....

"...seems you always duck and dodge after you make a claim."
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#27174 Jun 14, 2013
Sunny wrote:
<quoted text>Take a drive out west an look at the forest of steel called wind power, oh it's so BEAUTIFUL and the bird's just love them to death.
They work great, are you always stupid/wrong ???

To most experts, though, there's a problem with the bird-mortality argument: The vast majority of research shows that wind turbines kill relatively few birds, at least compared with other man-made structures. The statistics are shocking if you consider just how many people are crying out against wind power for the birds' sake:

Man-made structure/technology


Associated bird deaths per year (U.S.)

Feral and domestic cats


Hundreds of millions [source: AWEA]

Power lines


130 million -- 174 million [source: AWEA]

Windows (residential and commercial)


100 million -- 1 billion [source: TreeHugger]

Pesticides


70 million [source: AWEA]

Automobiles


60 million -- 80 million [source: AWEA]

Lighted communication towers


40 million -- 50 million [source: AWEA]

Wind turbines


10,000 -- 40,000 [source: ABC]

Collisions with wind turbines account for about one-tenth of a percent of all "unnatural" bird deaths in the United States each year. And of all bird deaths, 30 percent are due to natural causes, like baby birds falling from nests [source: AWEA].
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#27175 Jun 14, 2013
$4-$14......
Remember when you said I can't invest ?? THANKS !
Gee, you'll need your shoes off to count the stupidity. NEVERMIND, hick.
I see who provided proof and who's doing the "dummy dance".
Dance dummy, dance.... LMAOROFU~!
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#27176 Jun 14, 2013
Too EZ, this denier is PURE UNADULTERATED LIAR !!!

SADLY, MY PROOF IS YOUR QUOTED WORDS....

.back up your claim that the tornado yesterday was due to man made co2..."

MAGICALLY GETS DENIER WHIPPED TO

..."yes, you implied that weather events have something to do with..."

MAGICALLY GETS DENIER WHIPPED TO

"....you didn't say the exact words.....but you would've..."

Due to = implied = would have???

You're not smart implies you're dumb and according to your "words", I caused your stupidity. It's due to me POINTING IT OUT ???

Yeah, just make it up as you go, then ask for proof, from anyone else...
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#27177 Jun 14, 2013
Sunny wrote:
<quoted text>Take a drive out west an look at the forest of steel called wind power, oh it's so BEAUTIFUL and the bird's just love them to death.
The bird's WHAT ?? You're too stupid to use birds PLURAL, so you use bird's POSSESSIVE and say birds are dying, which is equally STOOPID !!! GOOD JOB, are deniers ALL INBRED ???

LMAOROTFU~! How do we know you complain about gas prices, drive a POS, and can't keep it tuned-up....
Sunny

Longview, WA

#27178 Jun 14, 2013
Bushwhacker wrote:
<quoted text>They work great, are you always stupid/wrong ???
To most experts, though, there's a problem with the bird-mortality argument: The vast majority of research shows that wind turbines kill relatively few birds, at least compared with other man-made structures. The statistics are shocking if you consider just how many people are crying out against wind power for the birds' sake:
Man-made structure/technology
Associated bird deaths per year (U.S.)
Feral and domestic cats
Hundreds of millions [source: AWEA]
Power lines
130 million -- 174 million [source: AWEA]
Windows (residential and commercial)
100 million -- 1 billion [source: TreeHugger]
Pesticides
70 million [source: AWEA]
Automobiles
60 million -- 80 million [source: AWEA]
Lighted communication towers
40 million -- 50 million [source: AWEA]
Wind turbines
10,000 -- 40,000 [source: ABC]
Collisions with wind turbines account for about one-tenth of a percent of all "unnatural" bird deaths in the United States each year. And of all bird deaths, 30 percent are due to natural causes, like baby birds falling from nests [source: AWEA].
They don't work great,are you always stuiped/worng.
Sunny

Longview, WA

#27179 Jun 14, 2013
Bushwhacker wrote:
<quoted text>The bird's WHAT ?? You're too stupid to use birds PLURAL, so you use bird's POSSESSIVE and say birds are dying, which is equally STOOPID !!! GOOD JOB, are deniers ALL INBRED ???
LMAOROTFU~! How do we know you complain about gas prices, drive a POS, and can't keep it tuned-up....
I can care less about birds I kill the fckers an eat them dip chit INBRED STOOPID POT HEAD BRAT.
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#27180 Jun 14, 2013
Funny deniers are such copycat child morons....
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#27181 Jun 14, 2013
You moniker mutts have something in common.

Hey, a friend of yours who not on topix says your mother costs 5 cents a lay.....

Sorry news pal, but they're your "rules".
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#27182 Jun 14, 2013
I'd point out ran-dumb comment have as little real effect as me calling you a "smart man" would..... NEVER HAPPENING !!!!
Sunny

Longview, WA

#27183 Jun 14, 2013
Bushwhacker wrote:
Funny deniers are such copycat child morons....
Oh I Kill and Eat Bambi to whackerbushy.
Sunny

Longview, WA

#27184 Jun 14, 2013
Bushwhacker wrote:
I'd point out ran-dumb comment have as little real effect as me calling you a "smart man" would..... NEVER HAPPENING !!!!
Go to bed pothead.
EXPERT

Redding, CA

#27185 Jun 14, 2013
Local Environmental Impacts
•Wind plant infrastructure creates an industrial nightmare in wild and natural settings: &#9702;Construction of 70ft wide access roads
&#9702;Installation of new transmission lines
&#9702;Construction of power substations
&#9702;Excavations and concrete for turbine foundations

•4-6 acres of forest is clearcut for each turbine.
&#9702;Construction of a 25-turbine wind facility clears enough trees to fill 100 football fields
EXPERT

Redding, CA

#27186 Jun 14, 2013
Bird and Bat Deaths

Bird killed by wind turbine
Two griffon vultures killed by turbines in Navarre, Spain. One of them has been sliced in half by the blade. Source.
•Turbines are proven to kill birds and bats.
•Turbines are proven to disrupt wild animals and natural habitats.

"This is a double standard that more people—and not just bird lovers—should be paying attention to. In protecting America's wildlife, federal law-enforcement officials are turning a blind eye to the harm done by "green" energy."
-- Windmills Are Killing Our Birds
Robert Bryce WSJ.com

"Once thought to have practically no adverse environmental effects, it is now recognized that wind power facilities can have adverse impacts—particularly on wildlife, and most significantly on birds and bats. "
-- Impacts on Wildlife and Government Responsibilities for Regulating Development and Protecting Wildlife
United States Government Accountability Office, September 2005

"At wind power-generating facilities in Appalachia and California, wind turbines have killed large numbers of migratory birds and bats. Wind power facilities may also have other impacts on wildlife through alterations of habitat. Habitat destruction and modification is a leading threat to the continued survival of wildlife species in the United States. "
-- Impacts on Wildlife and Government Responsibilities for Regulating Development and Protecting Wildlife
United States Government Accountability Office, September 2005
EXPERT

Redding, CA

#27187 Jun 14, 2013
Industrial wind has no material impact on global warming or carbon emissions.
•Traditional power plants cannot be decommissioned or replaced by wind turbines.
•Wind electricity production rate is in constant flux and the power grid already has significant demand flux.
•The grid must maintain balance between constantly demand flux and constant wind flux.
•The grid compensates for wind flux with conventional generation, typically fossil-fired plants, working inefficiently in overtime and producing substantial carbon emissions in the process.
•Backing up wind turbines creates more carbon emission than producing the same electricity through traditional methods alone.

There are 100k turbines in operation in the world. If they reduce c02, why hasn't the wind industry provided proof ?

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