Teachers union challenges NY's proper...
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#44 Feb 22, 2013
"While on its face the tax cap gives the appearance of equality, in effect the tax cap locks in existing inequalities and has a disproportionate, negative impact on the ability of the lower wealth districts and their voters to provide educational opportunity to school children," according to the lawsuit filed in Albany by New York State United Teachers, along with parents of students in a half-dozen school districts.
non-starter

Saint Paul, MN

#45 Feb 22, 2013
Bushwhacker wrote:
"While on its face the tax cap gives the appearance of equality, in effect the tax cap locks in existing inequalities and has a disproportionate, negative impact on the ability of the lower wealth districts and their voters to provide educational opportunity to school children," according to the lawsuit filed in Albany by New York State United Teachers, along with parents of students in a half-dozen school districts.
The argument provided by the teachers' union, that by their own admission, is out to get the most they can for the union members, not do right by the kids. Regardless of any lawsuit, the following still applies.

New York has the 16 highest property tax counties in the United States. Taxes were outstripping inflation by a large margin. Andrew Cuomo and the legislature slowed the tax growth. The teachers' union sued because they can't continue to grow their pay and benefits at a rate faster than inflation.

1. Cuomo and the legislature should pass legislation making it illegal for public employee unions to sue the state.

2. The union is overstepping its' charter and authority.

3. Even with the property cap tax, New York is still the highest property tax state in the United States.

4. Total tax burden, New York is number 1.
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#46 Feb 22, 2013
non-starter wrote:
<quoted text>The argument provided by the teachers' union, that by their own admission, is out to get the most they can for the union members, not do right by the kids.
Your opinion stated as fact and a BALD FACE LIE !!!!
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#47 Feb 22, 2013
The union is trying to provide educational opportunity to school children in the lower wealth districts... Read your own post, lying PUTZ !!
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#48 Feb 22, 2013
non-starter wrote:
<quoted text>Unions make sure private sector jobs move to 3rd world countries.
Non-sense brings 3rd world jobs here, then insults the lowered tier American workers... How in the world, did folks like you...LOSE THE ELECTION ????
non-starter

Saint Paul, MN

#49 Feb 22, 2013
The argument provided by the teachers' union, that by their own admission, is out to get the most they can for the union members, not do right by the kids. Regardless of any lawsuit, the following still applies.

New York has the 16 highest property tax counties in the United States. Taxes were outstripping inflation by a large margin. Andrew Cuomo and the legislature slowed the tax growth. The teachers' union sued because they can't continue to grow their pay and benefits at a rate faster than inflation.

1. Cuomo and the legislature should pass legislation making it illegal for public employee unions to sue the state.

2. The union is overstepping its' charter and authority.

3. Even with the property cap tax, New York is still the highest property tax state in the United States.

4. Total tax burden, New York is number 1.
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#50 Feb 22, 2013
Tell a lie often enough, Trashy ???

The union is trying to provide educational opportunity to school children in the lower wealth districts... Read your own post, lying PUTZ !!

Non-sense brings 3rd world jobs here, then insults the lowered tier American workers... How in the world, did folks like you...LOSE THE ELECTION ????
non-starter

Saint Paul, MN

#51 Feb 22, 2013
New York has the 16 highest property tax counties in the United States. Taxes were outstripping inflation by a large margin. Andrew Cuomo and the legislature slowed the tax growth. The teachers' union sued because they can't continue to grow their pay and benefits at a rate faster than inflation.

1. Cuomo and the legislature should pass legislation making it illegal for public employee unions to sue the state.

2. The union is overstepping its' charter and authority.

3. Even with the property cap tax, New York is still the highest property tax state in the United States.

4. Total tax burden, New York is number 1.
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#52 Feb 22, 2013
Tell a lie often enough, Trashy ???

They also get a great education, WHICH YOU HATE !!

Schools in New York state continue to rank among the best in the nation, according to the highly respected Education Week magazine.

In its annual "Quality Counts" report released today, New York schools ranked third in the U.S., behind only Maryland and Massachusetts. In each of the six education indicators used for the rankings - chance for success; K-12 achievement; standards, assessments and accountability; teaching profession; school finance analysis; and transitions and alignment - education in New York met or exceeded the national average..

The union is trying to provide educational opportunity to school children in the lower wealth districts... Read your own post, lying PUTZ !!

Non-sense brings 3rd world jobs here, then insults the lowered tier American workers... How in the world, did folks like you...LOSE THE ELECTION ????
non-starter

Saint Paul, MN

#53 Feb 22, 2013
Bushwhacker wrote:
Tell a lie often enough, Trashy ???
They also get a great education, WHICH YOU HATE !!
Schools in New York state continue to rank among the best in the nation, according to the highly respected Education Week magazine.
In its annual "Quality Counts" report released today, New York schools ranked third in the U.S., behind only Maryland and Massachusetts. In each of the six education indicators used for the rankings - chance for success; K-12 achievement; standards, assessments and accountability; teaching profession; school finance analysis; and transitions and alignment - education in New York met or exceeded the national average..
The union is trying to provide educational opportunity to school children in the lower wealth districts... Read your own post, lying PUTZ !!
Non-sense brings 3rd world jobs here, then insults the lowered tier American workers... How in the world, did folks like you...LOSE THE ELECTION ????
In 2011, the state of New York spent an average for the state of $18,691 per student. Minnesota spent $13,333, statewide average. This is from NEA statistics. The average teacher salary in 2011-2012 New York was $73,192, in Minnesota, it was $58,091. Again, NEA statistics, statewide.

The education output of New York ranked it #17 in 2011. Minnesota ranked #5.

Education Output

Output was calculated by using the standardized average of:
1.Percent of 4th graders at or above grade level as measured on NAEP tests on
a.Reading, and
b.math

2.Mean ACT score for the state.[3]

I guess all New York's taxes don't make it a better state for education, and spending more doesn't equate to better results. Give the teachers more money, more money, with no way to measure their performance or significance. Is it for the children, or is it just a money grab for the union?
Jim Dandy

Prior Lake, MN

#54 Feb 22, 2013
It looks like someone is finally looking out for the taxpayer. Public unions can and will never get enough money.
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#55 Feb 22, 2013
Jim Dandy wrote:
It looks like someone is finally looking out for the taxpayer. Public unions can and will never get enough money.
It's to improve poor school district funding, funny you
"think" there's a "kid's union" ???
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#56 Feb 22, 2013
Also PERFECT IRONY, the loser who non-started the thread improperly used a possessive...

TRY TEACHER'S UNION dumb*ss ~!

I see why you hate teachers and misspell like a moron.....you are.
non-starter

Saint Paul, MN

#57 Feb 22, 2013
Bushwhacker wrote:
Also PERFECT IRONY, the loser who non-started the thread improperly used a possessive...
TRY TEACHER'S UNION dumb*ss ~!
I see why you hate teachers and misspell like a moron.....you are.
Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, simple minds discuss people, and the dumbest of all discuss other people's spelling.
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#58 Feb 22, 2013
Great minds can spell and appreciate teachers. Average to poor minds smoked in the back lot and make stupid excuses here.

Ps-

You really LOVE to misquote and miss the point

ENTIRELY ~!~~

Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.

Eleanor Roosevelt

Also PERFECT IRONY, the loser who non-started the thread improperly used a possessive...
TRY TEACHER'S UNION dumb*ss ~!
I see why you hate teachers and misspell like a moron.....you are.
non-starter

Saint Paul, MN

#59 Feb 22, 2013
In 2011, the state of New York spent an average for the state of $18,691 per student. Minnesota spent $13,333, statewide average. This is from NEA statistics. The average teacher salary in 2011-2012 New York was $73,192, in Minnesota, it was $58,091. Again, NEA statistics, statewide.

The education output of New York ranked it #17 in 2011. Minnesota ranked #5.

Education Output

Output was calculated by using the standardized average of:
1.Percent of 4th graders at or above grade level as measured on NAEP tests on
a.Reading, and
b.math

2.Mean ACT score for the state.[3]

I guess all New York's taxes don't make it a better state for education, and spending more doesn't equate to better results. Give the teachers more money, more money, with no way to measure their performance or significance. Is it for the children, or is it just a money grab for the union?

New York is 38th in Education efficiency, Minnesota is 12th.

Education Efficiency

This measurement is basically the "bang-per-buck" of education. It is a measurement that businesses would use if they were measuring efficiency. It was calculated by using the standardized average of the cost per student per unit measured output. Three measures were used:

1.The cost per student per percent of reading above or at 4th grade level,

2.The cost per student per percent of math above or at 4th grade level, and

3.The cost [4]
Jim Dandy

Prior Lake, MN

#60 Feb 22, 2013
Bushwhacker wrote:
<quoted text>It's to improve poor school district funding, funny you
"think" there's a "kid's union" ???
Ah yes "it's for the kids". The poor. Forget the taxpayer. The poor district needs a new football field so it's "fair". It's never enough.
non-starter

Saint Paul, MN

#61 Feb 22, 2013
Bushwhacker wrote:
Great minds can spell and appreciate teachers. Average to poor minds smoked in the back lot and make stupid excuses here.
Ps-
You really LOVE to misquote and miss the point
ENTIRELY ~!~~
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.
Eleanor Roosevelt
Also PERFECT IRONY, the loser who non-started the thread improperly used a possessive...
TRY TEACHER'S UNION dumb*ss ~!
I see why you hate teachers and misspell like a moron.....you are.
Even a borderline mediocre mind like yours should be able to discern the difference between a teacher and their soul sucking unions. If my posts disparaged teachers, it was unintended. If my posts disparaged the teachers' union, then the content was spot on.
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#62 Feb 22, 2013
Forget children ??? Sounds right...

Taxes are a fact of life, when you can't afford the time or cost of posting here, let me know, drama queen.
Bushwhacker

Seattle, WA

#63 Feb 22, 2013
Cost of living in NY is @20% higher, poor dishonest loser !!!

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