Kaine highlights smoke-free eateries ahead of Dec. 1 ban

Virginia's ban on smoking in restaurants takes effect Dec. 1 and Gov. Timothy M. Kaine is touring the state today, to highlight restaurants that already have gone smoke-free. The new law will prohibit smoking in nearly all restaurants across the state.

[just candid]

Just a few years the dummies down in Richmond said it could/would never be done. HaHaHa!!!!!!!!!! PS/ bars next anyone?

[just candid]

Smoke free city parks and sidewalks ?

[Ace]

Already happening.In Canada if your workplace is defined as an enclosed space,getting caught smoking in it and the fine is $350.00 An Ontario man was just fined that much for breaking that law. His workplace is the cab of his semi tractor. Yes Farmers tractors,if they have a cab,also apply.$150.oo if you throw a cigarette but on the sidewalk in Edmonton Alberta. $250.00 if you smoke in your car,if children under 18 are also in it.

[Ace]

Also in Canada. No cafes, no public buildings, no bars, arenas,workplaces or stores.No taxi cabs,wash rooms.Outside bus stops,Hospital property.Trains,or train depots.Airports,Airplanes or most hotel/motel rooms allow smoking.Also Jails or prisons. The list grows daily. I believe in a few years smoking will not exist in North America.The Canadian Government is suing our Tobacco companies 50 billion dollars to cover health costs of smokers since the 1950's.That should wipe out tobacco companies up here.Outside a smoker must be 20 feet from an entrance.

[u cannot own me]

Ace wrote:

Already happening.In Canada if your workplace is defined as an enclosed space,getting caught smoking in it and the fine is $350.00 An Ontario man was just fined that much for breaking that law. His workplace is the cab of his semi tractor. Yes Farmers tractors,if they have a cab,also apply.$150.oo if you throw a cigarette but on the sidewalk in Edmonton Alberta.$250.00 if you smoke in your car,if children under 18 are also in it.

Sure hope these people don't smoke

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091009/ap_on_re_...

[u cannot own me]

Ace wrote:

Also in Canada. No cafes, no public buildings, no bars, arenas,workplaces or stores.No taxi cabs,wash rooms.Outside bus stops,Hospital property.Trains,or train depots.Airports,Airplanes or most hotel/motel rooms allow smoking.Also Jails or prisons. The list grows daily. I believe in a few years smoking will not exist in North America.The Canadian Government is suing our Tobacco companies 50 billion dollars to cover health costs of smokers since the 1950's.That should wipe out tobacco companies up here.Outside a smoker must be 20 feet from an entrance.

Hey Bozo, in Ohio smoking is not a violation of the smoking ban law

[Ace]

u cannot own me wrote:

<quoted text> Hey Bozo, in Ohio smoking is not a violation of the smoking ban law

I wrote what I did to show what was happening in Canada regarding smoking bans.I said nothing of Ohio. Your response makes no sense in any event.

[azmac]

Ace wrote:

Also in Canada. No cafes, no public buildings, no bars, arenas,workplaces or stores.No taxi cabs,wash rooms.Outside bus stops,Hospital property.Trains,or train depots.Airports,Airplanes or most hotel/motel rooms allow smoking.Also Jails or prisons. The list grows daily. I believe in a few years smoking will not exist in North America.The Canadian Government is suing our Tobacco companies 50 billion dollars to cover health costs of smokers since the 1950's.That should wipe out tobacco companies up here.Outside a smoker must be 20 feet from an entrance.

You also have one of the biggest black markets there. Kids can buy all the cigarettes they want at a cheap price.
Look at the few they catch and how many get away.
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2009/04/14...

you pay for this in more taxes.

[u cannot own me]

Ah, the ban is already closing down business

A restaurant is Madison Heights may be forced to shut down after the smoking ban takes effect.

Owners of La Carreta have two restaurants just a quarter mile apart. One is all smoking and the other is completely non-smoking.
http://www.wset.com/news/stories/1009/666848....

[Ace]

azmac wrote:

<quoted text>
You also have one of the biggest black markets there. Kids can buy all the cigarettes they want at a cheap price.
Look at the few they catch and how many get away.
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2009/04/14...
you pay for this in more taxes.

I do not advocate black market cigarettes.I am about 2500 miles west of where this occurs,and it is rather beyond my control.I wrote this post only to show you what you may encounter in the near future.

[Shackle]

Next the government will tell you what you can eat or drink. What after that, what to think?

[azmac]

Shackle wrote:

Next the government will tell you what you can eat or drink. What after that, what to think?

They already are

[Mazed]

just candid wrote:

Smoke free city parks and sidewalks ?

Why, thank you. Don't mind if we do.

[Mazed]

Ace wrote:

The Canadian Government is suing our Tobacco companies 50 billion dollars to cover health costs of smokers since the 1950's.That should wipe out tobacco companies up here.Outside a smoker must be 20 feet from an entrance.

Really? You think a paltry sum like $50 billion Canadian is going to make the industry do more than blink a couple of times while they raise prices or figure a new access to your kids?

Studies show that 20 feet is inadequate protection from a single cigarette, let alone from a group of smokers hanging out on a smoke break. That distance is a distinct compromise, and de stink compromise de health of nonsmokers.

SHS is harmful. Refraining from smoking is not. SHS should be limited to specific areas in a nonsmoking world, not the other way around.

[Ace]

Mazed wrote:

<quoted text>
Really? You think a paltry sum like $50 billion Canadian is going to make the industry do more than blink a couple of times while they raise prices or figure a new access to your kids?
Studies show that 20 feet is inadequate protection from a single cigarette, let alone from a group of smokers hanging out on a smoke break. That distance is a distinct compromise, and de stink compromise de health of nonsmokers.
SHS is harmful. Refraining from smoking is not. SHS should be limited to specific areas in a nonsmoking world, not the other way around.

Tobacco farmers in Canada have gotten few and far between. Yes 50 BILION will hurt them big time. I was talking about the situation in CANADA, which is why I said "Up here"

[just candid]

u cannot own me wrote:

Ah, the ban is already closing down business
A restaurant is Madison Heights may be forced to shut down after the smoking ban takes effect.
Owners of La Carreta have two restaurants just a quarter mile apart. One is all smoking and the other is completely non-smoking.
http://www.wset.com/news/stories/1009/666848....

One has a top flight cook, the other has ? One has plenty of parking, the other lacks easy in and out? One is/ will be/ near a closed plant, the other had lots of well paying jobs nearby? One has MS-13 types moving into area, the other does not?

[just candid]

Shackle wrote:

Next the government will tell you what you can eat or drink. What after that, what to think?

They already do. try buying a good scotch or brandy on Sunday. Many areas you can't do that-Sob-sob. LOL Most people don't think, or at least act that way. Nicotine addicts(and all other drug addicts) have had their thought process stolen. They are suffering from "theft of self". They need all the help they can get.;~)

[azmac]

just candid wrote:

<quoted text> They already do. try buying a good scotch or brandy on Sunday. Many areas you can't do that-Sob-sob. LOL Most people don't think, or at least act that way. Nicotine addicts(and all other drug addicts) have had their thought process stolen. They are suffering from "theft of self". They need all the help they can get.;~)

You can buy liquor any time any where you want. I grew up in a dry area. Bootleggers make a mint. When growing up most cops took money from them to leave them alone. When laws are made against what people want, then we create crime.

[Mazed]

Ace wrote:

The Canadian Government is suing our Tobacco companies 50 billion dollars to cover health costs of smokers since the 1950's.

I had only heard of suits against such folk as RJ Reynolds. I know one of their Canadian subsidiaries went bankrupt when they were sued for back taxes after being busted for using an Indian reservation on the US border to ship their cigarettes then smuggle them back into the Canadian market.

Imperial is a subsidiary of BAT. Are there really strictly Canadian companies that are to take the hit, or are they mostly investments of the huge conglomerates based in the US and/or England?

If there ARE strictly Canadian companies, are they really dependent on Canadian-grown tobacco?

Unless there is a cessation of imports from the US, it is difficult to credit your forecast of the products' disappearing from Canada any time soon.

[Ace]

Mazed wrote:

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I had only heard of suits against such folk as RJ Reynolds. I know one of their Canadian subsidiaries went bankrupt when they were sued for back taxes after being busted for using an Indian reservation on the US border to ship their cigarettes then smuggle them back into the Canadian market.
Imperial is a subsidiary of BAT. Are there really strictly Canadian companies that are to take the hit, or are they mostly investments of the huge conglomerates based in the US and/or England?
If there ARE strictly Canadian companies, are they really dependent on Canadian-grown tobacco?
Unless there is a cessation of imports from the US, it is difficult to credit your forecast of the products' disappearing from Canada any time soon.

American tobacco does not sell well in Canada.The news item stated Canadian tobacco companies were to be sued.Canadian tobacco is not blended like American.Most Canadian smokers don't smoke American products as they are very different in taste.