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Riverside man keeps Shawnee heritage alive

There are 35 comments on the Dayton Daily News story from Jan 2, 2009, titled Riverside man keeps Shawnee heritage alive. In it, Dayton Daily News reports that:

It's hard to imagine a time in the City of Riverside before it was filled with suburban homes, brand new schools, shopping centers and restaurants - a time before its nearest neighbor was one of the country's ...

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Olivier

United States

#22 Jan 5, 2009
Big Sid wrote:
not to knock anybody, but,
the DDN article was just one more false presentaion of an idyllic culture that does not exist.
secondly, we as a nation must someday face up to the question of ;what to do with "reservations"
these people ARE American citizens;
they DO get many, many, benefits
yet, certain groups try to exploit their "special favoritism", to sneak in Casinos, etc.
the Dept. of Interior as done no favors to anyone; either the Tribes, or the "whites', living nearby.
Tribal lands should have been divided among individuals a long time ago. We can't carry on this system forever.
I have lived, and worked among the Navajo and Hopi; I am aware of their frustration with their own leaders, and the government.
Back here in Ohio, most people have a very poor understanding of our local history, and the truth about any groups who once lived here.
Incidentaly, "native American" occupation was ovr 200 years ago. That's about eight generations. One should be required to name ancestors, before claiming descent from a baninshed race.
That's the problem isn't it? A banished race.
not me

United States

#23 Jan 5, 2009
Sid sez

"I have lived, and worked among the Navajo and Hopi; I am aware of their frustration with their own leaders, and the government."

I have also, and never once did I call them pigs. At what level did you work with them? The Hopi civilization is 5000 years old, They currently hold land and mineral rights that containlarge deposits of uranium. I guess, according to your spin it is about time they give up their land???
I am aware of their frustrations too, and your attitude is very typical of the cause of their problems.
hgj

Columbia City, IN

#26 Jan 11, 2009
they were here first
Big Sid

Greenville, SC

#27 Jan 11, 2009
again, ignorance on your part;
before 1720, the Shawnee lived in the Carolina's and Georgia,
the French and English have been in Ohio since the 1680's
the other tribes were from upstate New York
?who was here first?
Olivier

United States

#28 Jan 11, 2009
NATIVE AMERICAN HISTORY IN OHIO

FIRST NATIONS

Paleo-Indians, c. 13,000 B.C.E.--6,000 B.C.E.

Archaic, gone by c. 1,000 B.C.E.

Adena, c. 900 B.C.E.—200 A.D.

Hopewell, c. 100 B.C.E.—600 A.D.

Fort Ancient, c. 1,000 A.D.—c. 1,650 A.D.

Whittlesey Focus, to 17th century



HISTORIC INDIANS (few settlements in Ohio c. 1680s-1730s, all new settlements c. 1740s)

Wyandots/Hurons

Miami

Mingoes (mainly Seneca)

Ottawa

Shawnee

Delaware (Moravian and non-Christian)



EUROPEANS

French moving into Great Lakes region by 1700 (Detroit-1701, Fort Wayne, 1706, Maumee)

English traders moving into Ohio Country by 1730s-40s

Context—series of imperial wars between Britain and France 1680s-1780s

--Iroquois between English to east and western tribes and French to west (c.1700-1750
Big Sid

Greenville, SC

#29 Jan 11, 2009
exactly;
interpret the data
twisted

United States

#30 Jan 11, 2009
Hey big, tell me what you think of Leonard Peltier, and Russel Means.
Inquiring minds want to know.
Big Sid

Greenville, SC

#31 Jan 12, 2009
sounds like more history.
however, my brother was a personal friend of Russ.
twisted

United States

#32 Jan 12, 2009
So your brother "was" a friend of Russell Means. More history? That sounds dismissive. Both of these men are legends. You seem to have a real negative spin on the American Indian. What is your background that has caused this broad racist attitude?
scalper

Columbia City, IN

#33 Jan 12, 2009
he needs his head scalped and hung to dry ,he is a dumm @#$
Big Sid

Greenville, SC

#35 Jan 12, 2009
reading comprehension;
I said my brother was a friend, not me.

My negative spin? For the most part, "Native Americans" have been victimized by the government, and by their own leaders for generations.

WHY are the reservations still here? Why were these people not assimilated into main stream society? Or have they?

My biggest issue; Wannabees trying to push illegal casinos.

Hey, buy up a couple hundred acres, dress like you want, dance like you want, live like you want; but, within the LAW.
And don't try to cram a casino down my throat under the pretext of victimization.

And, PLEASE, don't claim to be the grt, grt, grdson of some CHIEF.

If you have a TRUE heritage, I applaud you.
If you have diligently studied a culture,
I again applaud you. I've been there.

But, don't just take off you shirt, wrap a rag around your head, and pretend to be Ahlawhat Sechema.
(and don't knock my "Indian" spelling; there's no such thing)
twisted

United States

#36 Jan 12, 2009
You may have been there but you didn't walk away with the same experience I did. If you choose to ignore the well documented history of these people and yet you say you have been there..I pity you.
I have seen the schools that these casinos have built, and health centers, and a standard of living that was never imagined. I guess I do not understand why you are angry at the Indian Casinos, how are you with the mob casinos, or the Jewish Casinos, or the Japanese casinos, or Donald Trump?? Legal casinos, ya that's always been the rule.
I have a very good friend that was very instrumental in the start up of Foxwoods. He has since gone back to his life as a pipe carrier and travels around the country helping his people manage their proceeds well and make sure they help the communities.
I don't like your bias, and if I were to cram a casino it wouldn't be on any pretext or down your throat.
One more thing kemo sabe, you want to talk about reading comprehension?? reread my post. Maybe you should bone up on your comprehension.

“Down in the Bayou”

Since: Apr 08

Vancleave Mississippi

#37 Jan 13, 2009
twisted wrote:
You may have been there but you didn't walk away with the same experience I did. If you choose to ignore the well documented history of these people and yet you say you have been there..I pity you.
I have seen the schools that these casinos have built, and health centers, and a standard of living that was never imagined. I guess I do not understand why you are angry at the Indian Casinos, how are you with the mob casinos, or the Jewish Casinos, or the Japanese casinos, or Donald Trump?? Legal casinos, ya that's always been the rule.
I have a very good friend that was very instrumental in the start up of Foxwoods. He has since gone back to his life as a pipe carrier and travels around the country helping his people manage their proceeds well and make sure they help the communities.
I don't like your bias, and if I were to cram a casino it wouldn't be on any pretext or down your throat.
One more thing kemo sabe, you want to talk about reading comprehension?? reread my post. Maybe you should bone up on your comprehension.
well documented??..hahahahha..wow.. I must have missed the great indian congressional library...hahahaha...or the ultimate indian history collection "The Complete Indian Linieage and Collective History" by Chief Wannabee of the Imaidiot tribe....
Whatever

Cleveland, TN

#38 Jan 13, 2009
Daniel in Hobbs wrote:
<quoted text>
well documented??..hahahahha..wow.. I must have missed the great indian congressional library...hahahaha...or the ultimate indian history collection "The Complete Indian Linieage and Collective History" by Chief Wannabee of the Imaidiot tribe....
Yes there are a few on here that think that they are above everyone else.
Leni

Mineral, TX

#40 Jan 25, 2009
I am truly saddened by what has been written here.
I am of German, Irish an Cherokee decent, my ancestors came across on ships just like yours did howeve,as for the Native American indians,they were pushed and pulled, given disease's that was brought over by the English, taken as slaves, killed and then one of our great prseidents, Jackson took charge and moved them off thier land,in fact they were sent walking in the snow and winter with just the clothes on their backs, it was called the trail of tears.
It was the Native Americans that taught the colonists how to plant, harvest and save produce so they wouldnt starve.
As for how people are in Texas, i live here, after living in Greenville i wanted to bring my child home so she could learn how to live with many cultures, there is racism everywhere, it could be against the Hispanics, Whites, Native Americans, Afican Americans and other nationalities, the trick is how you handle yourselves and what you want your world to be in the future, you can not change th past only the future, what kind of world do you want your kids to have? Destroying property is also everywhere, no one has a right to destroy others property.
One thing you have to teach and learn is how to be a bigger person then the small minded, an example is my 9 year old daughter was not invited to a birthday party of a neighbor because she is white, my daughter still wanted to give a gift to the kid, wheni asked her why she replied"momma you taught me to be bigger and move on even when things dont go your way".
As for Gay rights, i do not agree with their life styles, i do believe a marriage is between a man and a woman, but i also believe they are the ones who have to stand before God and answer for themselves, not me.
By the way we dont scalp anyone in Texas, however if you want a good fight go up to a gang member and confront them, i am sure you will leave with your tail beteen your legs, and yes there are gangs everywhere as well.
There are multiracial people everywhere as well, and i bet if you do some background check on YOUR family you will find a few surprises in the closet.
Think before you speak and act, do you want someone to destroy you and yours?

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