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Shut Your Mouth

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Open Springboro wrote:
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AND THEN WHAT?
You're not going to follow the money, but I have tracked the "STUDENT FIRST" mantra back to the Education Action Group, which is funded by the Richard and Helen DeVos Foundation in Grand Rapids, Michigan, which funnels their profits from AMWAY in order to make way for private, for-profit schools.
WHERE'S THE PROOF THAT FOR-PROFIT SCHOOLS WORK?
Once again, you're not going to challenge your own dogma, so I'll help you out. Here's a report from PolitiFact on the comparison between public and private schools:
"We found that public schools can point to a consistent advantage on single-year test scores, while choice advocates scored some wins in a study that tracked achievement over time.
"But from what we can see, neither school setting has significantly raised achievement levels in Milwaukee, where students generally have struggled compared with the rest of the state.
"In 2011, "students in Milwaukee's school choice program performed worse than or about the same as students in Milwaukee Public Schools in math and reading on the latest statewide test," the Journal Sentinel reported.
"In 2012 and 2013, the release of statewide test results showed that students attending public schools were more proficient, as a group, than their private school-choice counterparts on reading and math."
http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/article/2...
Seems like you don't have as much of an interest in improving our math scores as you do supporting for-profit schools in Springboro.
Shut Your Mouth, Open Springboro. Stop spewing forth the OEA indoctrination of David Bowman and Lisa Babb, that our children's future can profit ONLY with a status quo Union teacher in every classroom, keeping our children's 21st Centruy education left behind. Springboro schools need NEW innovative teachers, whether Unionized or not, in our classrooms. The "old guard" needs to retire (some have already retired, but are recycled as
"rehires.") Taxpayers need to "talk to the state" and just get the scoop on how much expense to taxpayers is this costly "double dipping" practice that is gone wild throughout our State and Local government employees and elected officials. And what a waste of taxpayers money to keep these old union employees around, trying to update them on 21st century educational trends, while our newly trained professional Teachers come out of college with a big "student loan to repay" but can't find a teaching job to pay back what they owe to taxpayers.

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Shut Your Mouth wrote:
Shut Your Mouth, Open Springboro. Stop spewing forth the OEA indoctrination of David Bowman and Lisa Babb, that our children's future can profit ONLY with a status quo Union teacher in every classroom, keeping our children's 21st Centruy education left behind.
I'm not advocating for one side or the other, so please stop with the baseless attacks. I am advocating for more civic participation, and less railroading by well-funded campaigns who speak little to the changes that are actually being made in the contract proposals.

I've been working for the better part of the last four days transcribing the teacher's contract. When I'm finished, everyone will be able to look at the ACTUAL CHANGES in the context of the ACTUAL PROPOSAL, and be able weigh in on a line-by-line basis.

That is a hell of a lot better an approach than simply repeating empty slogans like SUPPORT OUR TEACHERS or CHILDREN FIRST, which mean next to nothing when it come to the ACTUAL CHANGES either side is proposing.
Read My Lips

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Open Springboro wrote:
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I'm not advocating for one side or the other, so please stop with the baseless attacks. I am advocating for more civic participation, and less railroading by well-funded campaigns who speak little to the changes that are actually being made in the contract proposals.
I've been working for the better part of the last four days transcribing the teacher's contract. When I'm finished, everyone will be able to look at the ACTUAL CHANGES in the context of the ACTUAL PROPOSAL, and be able weigh in on a line-by-line basis.
That is a hell of a lot better an approach than simply repeating empty slogans like SUPPORT OUR TEACHERS or CHILDREN FIRST, which mean next to nothing when it come to the ACTUAL CHANGES either side is proposing.
Read My Lips .... No New Taxes.....Open Springboro case for Increased Taxes Dead on Arrival. Case Closed.
childrenfirst

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http://www.davidebowman.com/betting-against-e...

This guy is a freakin' genius. Kohls, Petroni, and Regano should be washing dishes in the back of some Italian restaurant...
Where Is Accountability

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Just Watching wrote:
This is part of an email sent by board member Tiffany Carlisle to the Budget and Finance Committee in March of 2013. Ms Carlisle had been a board member of the boosters since 2009.
I also wanted to clarify something regarding Booster funds. I didn't want to take the time at the end, since it was getting late. But I think I know a little bit about what kinds of things you are unclear on, especially you, Mr. Petroni, from comments you have made at various meetings. I myself am still a newer member of the Boosters
(her name Tiffany Carlisle, is listed as one of the board of directors on a 2009 membership drive handout)
, and am learning how it all works. There is a lot to learn--thanks for putting in the time to get information!
I will do my best to explain; Susanne or Tom (the treasurer) are the experts! It is in regards to the Booster account. Our treasurer mentioned an account balance of about $113,000 tonight. Those are not all BOOSTER funds. We don't raise that much in a year! Our only income is from concessions during football season ($40,000 per year that got to the bank), Casino Night ($11,000 that got to the bank), and the Fan Store (No donations listed until after the election of Petroni and Rigano. None in 2008, 2009, 2010, or 2011 then a miraculous $18,000 and $10,000 appear .) Much of that $113,000 belongs to individual teams (By my calculation $40,000 +$11,000 +$28,000 =$79,000) When teams fund raise, the money they make goes into the Booster account, in that individual team's account (A 10% levy is placed on all monies raised or donated for booster expenses) For example, the baseball team is currently fundraising for their Florida trip. When they have a fundraiser, the money goes into the baseball team's portion of the Booster account.
Now that the Athletic Director has chosen the generous retirement buy-out plan (on the backs of taxpayers), Who will be held accountable for the big funding gap caused by boosters "over-spending" and boosters "under fund-raising?"
No OEA Indoctrination

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Schools... are the most effective means of developing and training those powers and faculties in a child, by which, when he becomes a man, he may understand what his highest interests and his highest duties are; and may be, in fact, and not in name only, a free agent.
-Horace Mann
SOS to Our BOE

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No OEA Indoctrination wrote:
Schools... are the most effective means of developing and training those powers and faculties in a child, by which, when he becomes a man, he may understand what his highest interests and his highest duties are; and may be, in fact, and not in name only, a free agent.
-Horace Mann
The OEA members are some of the worst people we will ever have to deal with as to radical social behavior; because to the OEA radicals they are at war with the taxpayers.
They have the destruction of America in their minds and they are terrible people because their ideology makes them corrosive. They openly use children to execute their maniacal plans for social progressive changes at the expense of society, and this defines their essence. Wars are won by taking away from the other side the will to continue fighting. The OEA attacks them directly hoping to rob them of their will to stand opposed to the union’s progressive agenda.

Our Springboro "Children First Budgeting" School Board Representatives are urged by Springboro Parents and taxpaying homeowners to stand firmly on their committment, protecting our children's future from OEA indoctrination! Thank you for "taking the heat" from your fiercely hostile political opposition; please know of our continued support of your leadership during these difficult public attacks on character; as the OEA/SEA activists try to distract from your successful "children first" leadership.
SOS to Our BOE

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"WE LOVE OUR CHILDREN FIRST!"

Given the latest news from Michigan regarding the passing of Right to Work legislation in that state it is encouraging to know that Ohio is right behind them. No longer should teachers be coerced into to participating in an organization that contradicts many teachers moral convictions. See links below. Forced unionism is a Marxist philosophy and has no place in Springboro. Yes a teacher can opt out, but must still pay a large portion of the Membership dues. How about giving the teachers the ability to opt out and pay nothing.

The Pro Union thugs that attend your meetings undermine and interfere with the Board's efforts of promoting fiscally responsible Pro Student/tax Payer initiative’s. The noise they make always leads back to what’s best for the teachers union interests with little concern for the Student or the Tax payer. Please understand I am thankful for the many great teachers in Springboro, it’s the Union who we have issues with.

Please do not cave to their Thug Tactics, the Community is behind you and appreciate your efforts to be fiscally responsible. Unelected Union Sympathizers have no platform to constantly harass the BOE members as they are neither Staff nor Union Members. As Union puppets their only purpose is create division and discontentment within the Schools and Community.

The best thing that can happen is to make Right to Work a Law here in Ohio and it is coming. http://www.10tv.com/content/stories/2012/12/1 ...

Check out what the NEA/Teachers Union stands for regarding Homosexuality, Liberal and Christian viewpoints. In my opinion Teachers Unions are like affirmative action, they force employers to compensate groups of individuals based on the demands of the group rather than individual performance/contributions. It is insulting to individual liberty and personal responsibility and is basically a legal form of extortion. Do we really want organizations with these kinds of radical agendas shaping our schools ideology?

See the links below and you’ll realize what we’re dealing with:

http://www.missionamerica.com/enews/enews_Mar ...

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Education/Default.a ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch ...

http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action ...

Thank you for your efforts,
Read My Lips

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Open Springboro wrote:
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I'm not advocating for one side or the other, so please stop with the baseless attacks. I am advocating for more civic participation, and less railroading by well-funded campaigns who speak little to the changes that are actually being made in the contract proposals.
I've been working for the better part of the last four days transcribing the teacher's contract. When I'm finished, everyone will be able to look at the ACTUAL CHANGES in the context of the ACTUAL PROPOSAL, and be able weigh in on a line-by-line basis.
That is a hell of a lot better an approach than simply repeating empty slogans like SUPPORT OUR TEACHERS or CHILDREN FIRST, which mean next to nothing when it come to the ACTUAL CHANGES either side is proposing.
Nothing makes a union official/community activist more "hellish" against Springboro Taxpayers than the "Responsible Choice of NO Additional Taxes."
Our Children Our Schools

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No OEA Indoctrination wrote:
Schools... are the most effective means of developing and training those powers and faculties in a child, by which, when he becomes a man, he may understand what his highest interests and his highest duties are; and may be, in fact, and not in name only, a free agent.
-Horace Mann
While we discuss reform, let us all not forget who that reform effects the most, our children. All of them deserve more than what we are giving them now.
They may cry about getting an education today, but will thank you many years down the road in ways you cannot begin to fathom today.

See page 12 for key
http://www.oagc.com/files/OAGC_Grading_On_A_C ...
Rally for Our Children

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Finding ways to methodically advance student achievement should always be everyone’s goal. Implementing academic reforms will, for example, reduce the present need for so many of our students needing to take college remediation courses. This, of course, will immediately translate into money saved for parents whose students attend Ohio’s colleges. And, in order to meet this challenge of higher academic quality, the current school Board of Education and District are, or already have plans to, invest heavily in technology, professional development for teachers, new textbooks, as well as new computers for every teacher, plus much more.
All this being said, there is a lot of work yet to be done to assure you (parents) that we will strive to do more than meet the minimum state requirements. The current Board of Education is dedicated to being advocates for every student striving to push the bar higher than other districts.
Some say there’s no need to change because our district achieved an “excellent with Distinction” rating for our most recent school year. But we live in a world that is dynamic, a world of ever-evolving expectations and realities that require our constant attention. What once was an acceptable level of achievement is now a relic of the past that will ill serve our children and our taxpayers in the future.
As parents, we all desire that our children be provided the best we can afford. We constantly challenge our children with the hope that doing so will help prepare them for the world and better lives than we ourselves enjoy. We are also highly cognizant of the importance of true learning and greatly value education and the promise of what it may bring.
Everyone in the school community has more in common than they have differences. Let us meld that commonality to push forth a better school system than we enjoy today. We owe it to our children. Let us come together to push for real achievement and higher standards that we currently demand.
http://educatespringboro.wordpress.com/2013/0...
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The time has come for Our Springboro School Community to join with Our Springboro Community as a whole and "Support Our Success" for Our Children's Future!
Remember in November 2013 to Re-Elect Dr. Kelly Kohls as Springboro Schools Board of Education representative!
Dr. Kely Kohls is committed to ensuring that the children of the Springboro community receive an excellent education while keepiong the costs of that education affordable by carefully adhering to responsible spending.
Remember in November 2013 to Vote For School Success - Say YES to Springboro Schools Renewal Levy (with No Additional Levy needed)!
My opinion

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They way things work now don't seem to get the job done if the test scores presented are accurate.
The test don't look that hard and the blueprint for the math test describe 80% of the questions as low to moderate complexity. If I can get 70% on the practice and I haven't seen this stuff in 25 years kids taking the class should be able to do as good as me. Why aren't they? This board everybody likes to bad mouth has only been her 16 months and this like its been going on a lot longer than that cause the 7th graders and 6th graders aren't setting the world on fire either.
The only thing the same is the teachers and the school district. You tell where the problem lies.
It is May 2013

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Just Watching wrote:
Answer wrote:
There are, according to the high school's website, 9 fall sports (football, boys soccer, girls soccer, girls volleyball, cross country, boys golf, girls golf, girls tennis and cheer leading).
There are 6 winter sports (boys basketball, girls basketball, wrestling, swimming &diving, ice hockey, and competition cheer).
There are 5 spring sports (baseball, softball, boys track, girls track and boys tennis).
That gives us a total of 20 different sports at the High School, with 20 different coaches and many assistant coaches.
Per board policy 6610, all funds are to go through the school treasurer. http://www.neola.com/springboro%2Doh/
Looking at the FINSUM report in the Fiscal information on the schools website for the latest month posted (january 2012) http://www.springboro.org/files/district/cfo/ ...
The only sports that are on the books are cheer leading (fund 300-905B), ice hockey (fund 300-915B) and competition cheer (fund 300-914B).
To summarize. There are 20 high school sports. There are 20 high school paid head coaches and numerous assistant coaches. Of those 20 high school sports, only 3 have been properly following Board Policy 6610.
Coaches were asked to bring their records and bank statements to the Treasurer. Four of the coaches, from the sports that generate the most fund raising activities have refused to turn over records or bank statements and have retained an attorney.
I do not know if the remaining 13 coaches have turned over bank statements and records to the school Treasurer.
It is against ohio law for Coaches to have these accounts. All funds are to go to the school treasurer. If it is a booster activity, then all funds should go to the boosters. There is no reason for camp flyers to have parents send the payment to the coaches home address.
Lack of putting these funds on the books shows a failure of responsibility by the Treasurer. Starting with Dettwiller, then Beaver ( briefly) and now Tracy Jarvis. This is done in ALL schools. The treasurer should be doing this.
This is also a failure of responsibility by the Administration, including the Principal, the Superintendent and even the Board.
It all comes back to the same question: Where is the MONEY?
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Some questions just never go away. This is from September 9, 2012, since then Mr. Wilhite complied.
It is now May 2013, almost a year and a half since our "children first" board members starting reviewing our pay to play fees. A lot of good work has been done; but do we know if our school administration team and our outside "boosters board" school sport business is in compliance with all board policy?
Have all thee sports coaches complied with requests and been held accountable for their financial records?
The Correct Bet

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childrenfirst wrote:
http://www.davidebowman.com/be tting-against-education.htm
This guy is a freakin' genius. Kohls, Petroni, and Regano should be washing dishes in the back of some Italian restaurant...
This sounds suspiciously like an ethnic slur. Much like Mr Bowman's assertion that the only way to improve is with more money, as if that makes teachers better at their job. Betting that the same old teachers are going to become more conscientious is a losing bet. Leadership within the teachers ranks is responsible for the morale problems and the lack of drive. After watching year after year after year of these substandard results I am ready for some teachers who can teach the curriculum. If the kids learn the curriculum, passing these review test will be a piece of cake. When I look at these practice test I don't see any lattice multiplication or best guess questions. All the questions have only one answer. If we don't have teachers capable of teaching basic math find some who can.
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The Correct Bet wrote:
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This sounds suspiciously like an ethnic slur. Much like Mr Bowman's assertion that the only way to improve is with more money, as if that makes teachers better at their job. Betting that the same old teachers are going to become more conscientious is a losing bet. Leadership within the teachers ranks is responsible for the morale problems and the lack of drive. After watching year after year after year of these substandard results I am ready for some teachers who can teach the curriculum. If the kids learn the curriculum, passing these review test will be a piece of cake. When I look at these practice test I don't see any lattice multiplication or best guess questions. All the questions have only one answer. If we don't have teachers capable of teaching basic math find some who can.
You have no idea what's going on in those schools, you really think kids care about these tests? My neighbor is an 8th grade teacher at Boro and she told me that three students finished the science test in less then 26 minutes. That's really putting their best effort into it huh? Until the kids are accountable these tests mean nothing
That Excuse Mentality

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You have no idea what's going on in those schools, you really think kids care about these tests? My neighbor is an 8th grade teacher at Boro and she told me that three students finished the science test in less then 26 minutes. That's really putting their best effort into it huh? Until the kids are accountable these tests mean nothing
There 400-500 kids per year that went through the 8th grade these past three years. You telling me 300-400 sandbagged that test each year? Bet you are wrong. Better teachers produce better results, we should get some who produce results instead of excuses.
That Excuse Mentality

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You have no idea what's going on in those schools, you really think kids care about these tests? My neighbor is an 8th grade teacher at Boro and she told me that three students finished the science test in less then 26 minutes. That's really putting their best effort into it huh? Until the kids are accountable these tests mean nothing
Maybe those children learned the material in her class and breezed through the test. You should allow for the possibility that she is an awesome teacher and the children learned the material. To assume otherwise denigrates the respect due our teaching staff and children.
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I note a number of posts degrading the movement among concerned citizens regarding accountability and transparency in government. The opposition fails to provide any specifics on why accountability and transparency would be wrong or unnecessary for the realm of education. The attempts to turn the conversation from the issues of how our children are being educated to anything but education reveals the dearth of defenses available to our ever so frantic friends on the left. The union mold of education appears fractured and the union knows this. Much like the vaunted UAW, the grab for more outstripped the value of its output. In education the value of its output has been steadily decreasing yet their demands for more money and benefits had steadily increased. There appears to be an inverse relationship between increasing levels of compensation and benefits and actual student achievement. The union wishes to do away with the nuisance of standardized testing and replace it with their professional assurances that all is well with your children. This is precisely the situation we fled from over a decade ago thanks to the machinations of Senator Ted Kennedy. Everyone recalls how well social promotions worked for those children who arrived at college without the ability to read or write. Now the union wishes us to return to those halcyon days only with less accountability and transparency and more money in their pockets. The public respectfully disagrees. Real achievement is what the public demands, not the false assurances of a self serving union.
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Just Watching wrote:
Average is the total of all salaries divided by the number of teachers
Median is the exact middle of the frequency distribution equal number above and below that point.
School Year
2010-2011 School Year
050427 Springboro Community City
School..........Teacher Salary Avg .........Teacher Salary Median
Clearcreek Elementary School......$49,019..........4 7,092
Dennis Elementary East..........54,847.......... 45,623
Dennis Elementary West..........60,759.......... 49,252
Five Points Elementary East..........53,164.......... 45,839
Five Points Elementary West.........$48,416.......... 42,859
Springboro High School..........60,003........ ..60,140
Springboro Intermediate School....$54,839..........49, 252
Springboro Junior High School......$56,180..........5 0,116
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The way I see it, Springboro Schools Union Employees have an
A-M-A-Z-I-N-G-L-Y awesome sweet deal of employment opportunity, provided by Springboro school district voters and our
A-M-A-Z-I-N-G-L-Y awesome Springboro Schools Board of Education representatives!
The way I see it, Warren County voted FOR keeping the collective bargaining reforms of SB5 in effect; allowing our local school union officials LESS power and control over OUR school tax dollars.
What's up with our SEA officials demanding MORE MONEY for doing LESS WORK? What's up with our SEA officials launching attacks on character of our good BOE representatives, trying to distract Springboro Voters from the financial reality of No Additional Levy Needed in November?

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