Our recommendation: Springboro voters should say 'yes' the first time to school levies

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Just Watching

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This is how much a teacher in the Springboro School District actually makes per hour.

$36,500 +$5110 the taxpayer picks up for your retirement fund /1350 hours =$30.82/hour
$48,000 +$6720 the taxpayer picks up for your retirement fund/1350 hours =$40.53/hour
$60,000 +$8400 the taxpayer picks up for your retirement fund/1350 hours =$50.66/hour
$75,000 +$10,500 the taxpayer picks up for your retirement fund/1350 hours =$63.33/hour

And this is what we receive in return after 8 years in our school system,
80% scoring a D or F on the Ohio Achievement Assessment test.

8th Grade 2011-2012 Ohio Achievement Assessment Tests Results.
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Math .......50 possible points on the test
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State Rating System and distribution of students for the 8th grade
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Limited.......... 3 Students
Limited.......... 20% was the Average score for this group
Limited..........definition--0 -10 correct answers =(0-20% correct)
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Basic..........25 Students
Basic ..........27% was the Average score for this group
Basic..........definition--11- 15 correct answers =(22-30% correct)
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Proficient........174 Students
Proficient........47% was the Average score for this group
Proficient.........definition- -16-29 correct answers =(32-58% correct)
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Accelerated.....159 Students
Accelerated.....67% was the Average score for this group
Accelerated.....definition--30 -36 correct answers =(60-72% correct)
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Advanced........77 Students
Advanced........85% was the Average score for this group
Advanced........definition--37 -50 correct answers =(74-100% correct)

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Applying Mr. Malone's same grading system used for assigning percentages to grades earned in the college credit program (PSEO)
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F.....Below 62.99% correct answers.......239 Students
Percentage of Students.....55% receiving F

D..... 63%- 74.99% correct answers......108 Students
Percentage of Students.....25% receiving D

C......75%- 84.99% correct answers........49 Students
Percentage of Students.....11% receiving C

B..... 85%- 92.99% correct answers........36 Students
Percentage of Students.....8% receiving B

A..... 93% correct answers and above.....6 Students
Percentage of Students.....1% receiving A
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Such a deal.
Lets see

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Numbers wrong again wrote:
Look at your districts contract your board put on your website. 2007-2008 for the first 14 years the raises were 1600 dollars a year. The Buckeye Institute is a conservative think tank. Can't trust those numbers. That's about 70 bucks a check. In 14 years of service why is it unthinkable that an employee can receive a 20,000 dollar raise? I know for a fact some places in the private sector can easily do that. 1350 hours of instruction for Springboro Teachers. You asked about step raises, obviously you don't believe in cost of living so I'm not going to try to convince you on those, it's a mute point.
Funny, this is from CA. So now we have people from California here?
Wow how do we rank that?
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Math Major wrote:
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You forgot to take out the paid lunches, I don't know of anybody who gets paid to eat lunch.
185 days x .5 hrs for lunch equals 92.5 hrs
1341.5 hrs per year - 92.5 hrs equals 1249 hrs
1249 hrs for teachers/1920 hrs for private sector full time employee equals 65% of the hrs of a private sector full time employee.
40 hrs/week in the private sector vs. 26 hrs/week in the school system, also annualized
Mu husband and I work 10 hours per day and lunch is not a part of that 10 hours. We are salaried also.
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Observer wrote:
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Looks like they got 24021 as well. There is somebody out there who doesn't like the truth or those who do the telling. I saw it this mornng, put it up again and I will copy it and post it myself.
So are you saying that Dayton Daily is removing some posts just because they do not like the truth here?
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Just Watching wrote:
I thought Mr. Webber gave a fine speech, he presents well to the public and made some impassioned pleas that seemed to resonate with the home crowd.
The one thing that appeared to be lacking in all of the pro Babb speakers was any concern for the 2000 plus kids in our district who just aren't getting it academically as well as the speakers' children.
I never heard word one from anyone that their child who wasn't getting everything from their education in our school district. All of the men and women who spoke had children in the gifted program that were doing great.
They expounded relentlessly how wonderful their children were doing and what great teachers their kids have enjoyed.
But not a word for the 2000 plus children who are struggling academically in this school district each year. Get out the school report card and do the math, 2000 plus kids would nearly fill our gym at a basketball game.
Where were the pleas for those 2000 plus children?
Instead we have a group of speakers imploring the district to maintain the status quo, a place where their children get the attention.
Self serving?
Perhaps just a bit.
Concern about others?
Not in the least.
I have a concern for the children that are struggling. I have a child on an IEP that has slipped through the testing cracks which left him non-eligible for services. Example: reading intervention: he tests great one on one after intervention and is borderline but since he is doing well and the slots are full he gets pulled. Later he was observed and noted that he was receiving services because he needed them and I politely reminded them that they tested him out and he had fallen behind again. It seems from observatiin that the classroom aides and intervention is spread very thin. I don't understand how it is possible to start an expensive program for "gifted" students excelling and leave behind the ones who are falling behind. I have also heard parents say directly that their gifted student needs to be with others like them and not separated. Sounds like discrimination to me.
No More Status Quo

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Finding ways to methodically advance student achievement should always be everyone’s goal. Implementing academic reforms will, for example, reduce the present need for so many of our students needing to take college remediation courses. This, of course, will immediately translate into money saved for parents whose students attend Ohio’s colleges. And, in order to meet this challenge of higher academic quality, the current school Board of Education and District are, or already have plans to, invest heavily in technology, professional development for teachers, new textbooks, as well as new computers for every teacher, plus much more.
All this being said, there is a lot of work yet to be done to assure you (parents) that we will strive to do more than meet the minimum state requirements. The current Board of Education is dedicated to being advocates for every student striving to push the bar higher than other districts.
Some say there’s no need to change because our district achieved an “excellent with Distinction” rating for our most recent school year. But we live in a world that is dynamic, a world of ever-evolving expectations and realities that require our constant attention. What once was an acceptable level of achievement is now a relic of the past that will ill serve our children and our taxpayers in the future.
As parents, we all desire that our children be provided the best we can afford. We constantly challenge our children with the hope that doing so will help prepare them for the world and better lives than we ourselves enjoy. We are also highly cognizant of the importance of true learning and greatly value education and the promise of what it may bring.
Everyone in the school community has more in common than they have differences. Let us meld that commonality to push forth a better school system than we enjoy today. We owe it to our children. Let us come together to push for real achievement and higher standards than we currently demand.
http://educatespringboro.wordpress.com/2013/0...
regional taxes

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Just Watching wrote:
This is how much a teacher in the Springboro School District actually makes per hour.
$36,500 +$5110 the taxpayer picks up for your retirement fund /1350 hours =$30.82/hour
$48,000 +$6720 the taxpayer picks up for your retirement fund/1350 hours =$40.53/hour
$60,000 +$8400 the taxpayer picks up for your retirement fund/1350 hours =$50.66/hour
$75,000 +$10,500 the taxpayer picks up for your retirement fund/1350 hours =$63.33/hour
You forgot to include the hours spent at home grading papers until the late hours of the evening, the time spent running to various stores purchasing enhancement materials for the classroom at their own expense, time spent on the weekend grading papers and spending time in their classroom preparing for the next weeks' lessons.
LOL and OMG

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regional taxes wrote:
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You forgot to include the hours spent at home grading papers until the late hours of the evening, the time spent running to various stores purchasing enhancement materials for the classroom at their own expense, time spent on the weekend grading papers and spending time in their classroom preparing for the next weeks' lessons.
You forgot to tell the truth...stop spreading lies trying to make yourself look like a victim held captive in our classrooms.
Teachers are not required to pay for classroom materials; there's a budget for all requested classroom resources for our students; and Springboro parents are weary of hearing teachers whine and complain throughout the community about the drudgery of
being employed in our great schools.
regional taxes

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LOL and OMG wrote:
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You forgot to tell the truth...stop spreading lies trying to make yourself look like a victim held captive in our classrooms.
Teachers are not required to pay for classroom materials; there's a budget for all requested classroom resources for our students; and Springboro parents are weary of hearing teachers whine and complain throughout the community about the drudgery of
being employed in our great schools.
So, teachers don't grade papers at home? And yes, there is a budget for things that I mentioned and no, they aren't required to pay for anything - but there is not nearly enough money provided to teachers to support what needs to be done, so teachers go out and purchase more things on their own dime. As is always said - don't let the facts get in the way of a good argument.

And why is it that ANYONE who supports teachers has to be a teacher??? I am not a teacher, but you go on believeing whatever you want as I know you will.
Say It Again

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LOL and OMG wrote:
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You forgot to tell the truth...stop spreading lies trying to make yourself look like a victim held captive in our classrooms.
Teachers are not required to pay for classroom materials; there's a budget for all requested classroom resources for our students; and Springboro parents are weary of hearing teachers whine and complain throughout the community about the drudgery of
being employed in our great schools.
Totally agree and it should be said again and again.

Springboro teachers and parents are so fortunate that our school district has the leadership skills and financial expertise of school district leaders working to assure a quality classroom education in the best interest of each student's potential achievement, while living within our means.
(What a big financial mess some area schools such as Fairborn
are facing, as reported in local news.)
It would be encouraging on this blog to read comments of respect and appreciation of employment in our schools. Instead, we read mostly complaints and false accusations that our teachers are unappreciated and underpaid; struggling through one day at a time, financially sacrificing themselves teaching our children.
regional taxes

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Say It Again wrote:
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Totally agree and it should be said again and again.
Springboro teachers and parents are so fortunate that our school district has the leadership skills and financial expertise of school district leaders working to assure a quality classroom education in the best interest of each student's potential achievement, while living within our means.
(What a big financial mess some area schools such as Fairborn
are facing, as reported in local news.)
It would be encouraging on this blog to read comments of respect and appreciation of employment in our schools. Instead, we read mostly complaints and false accusations that our teachers are unappreciated and underpaid; struggling through one day at a time, financially sacrificing themselves teaching our children.
And it would be nice to read some comments of respect and appreciation for the jobs our teachers are doing instead of nit-picking every little thing they do - saying they make too much money, don't work enough hours, have too good health care, etc.

Financial expertise of our district leaders? What expertise would that be? Simply traveling around the state saying you don't need new taxes is hardly any expertise exhibited there....
Parent Power

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regional taxes wrote:
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And it would be nice to read some comments of respect and appreciation for the jobs our teachers are doing instead of nit-picking every little thing they do - saying they make too much money, don't work enough hours, have too good health care, etc.
Financial expertise of our district leaders? What expertise would that be? Simply traveling around the state saying you don't need new taxes is hardly any expertise exhibited there....
LOL... the hostile ignorance of unionism's war of words on struggling Springboro parents is back on the "blog."
Guess it's time for the union teachers to summon up another
pep rally so that parents can bow down and "make nice" for our wonderful teachers who "clothe our kids and feed them graham crackers." What a laugh!
Just Watching

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regional taxes wrote:
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You forgot to include the hours spent at home grading papers until the late hours of the evening, the time spent running to various stores purchasing enhancement materials for the classroom at their own expense, time spent on the weekend grading papers and spending time in their classroom preparing for the next weeks' lessons.
You get a 45 minute break everyday during a 7.25 hour day for "planning". You have kids acting as teacher's aides helping grade papers and running errands for you every day. Or having the kids grade each others papers in class.

Are you now telling me that you spend 3.6 hours per night, every night from Monday-Friday working on homework?

You do know that other professions bring their work home as well don't you? And most of them work more than 185 days per year.
Just Watching

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So, teachers don't grade papers at home? And yes, there is a budget for things that I mentioned and no, they aren't required to pay for anything - but there is not nearly enough money provided to teachers to support what needs to be done, so teachers go out and purchase more things on their own dime. As is always said - don't let the facts get in the way of a good argument.
And why is it that ANYONE who supports teachers has to be a teacher??? I am not a teacher, but you go on believeing whatever you want as I know you will.
Here is a fact for you, I sat in and watched and taped your school building principals go through the zero based budgeting program. The school board asked each of them to come to them with what was required by each classroom to do the job necessary to educate our children. The Budget and Finance Committee did not ding anything on the principal's lists.

If you did not bother to take the exercise seriously, then you get what you deserve. The school budget is large enough to support your need for more pencils, crayons, etc, etc. Next year do you job and complete the budget request appropriately.
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LOL and OMG wrote:
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You forgot to tell the truth...stop spreading lies trying to make yourself look like a victim held captive in our classrooms.
Teachers are not required to pay for classroom materials; there's a budget for all requested classroom resources for our students; and Springboro parents are weary of hearing teachers whine and complain throughout the community about the drudgery of
being employed in our great schools.
And aren't we all weary of hearing you whine and complain about the inadequate teaching in the public traditional schools? Why not spend time with your child studying instead of expecting the state or local government to fill in every gap that you as a parent don't want to fill? Just as an athlete must practice on his own, a student must spend time outside of the classroom preparing and dedicating "free time" towards education. Responsible parents must encourage and support good study habits versus blaming the government for your child's shortcomings.
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Just Watching wrote:
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You get a 45 minute break everyday during a 7.25 hour day for "planning". You have kids acting as teacher's aides helping grade papers and running errands for you every day. Or having the kids grade each others papers in class.
Are you now telling me that you spend 3.6 hours per night, every night from Monday-Friday working on homework?
You do know that other professions bring their work home as well don't you? And most of them work more than 185 days per year.
You really don't have a clue, do you? Walk a mile in someone else's shoes before you criticize. Just one question - have you ever been in a classroom during a school day and witnessed what goes on? A full day. Your child has 2-3 pieces of homework to do a night. Now multiply that by anywhere from 23-27 students in a classroom. 2-3 minutes to grade each paper - minimum. Not all papers are multiple choice. It starts to add up. Do kids sometimes grade each others papers? You bet. Does that happen all the time as you think - hardly.

And yes, some professions do bring work home. Most don't. And they are not criticized for being lazy, not working long enough hours, being money hungry...the list can go on.
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You really don't have a clue, do you? Walk a mile in someone else's shoes before you criticize. Just one question - have you ever been in a classroom during a school day and witnessed what goes on? A full day. Your child has 2-3 pieces of homework to do a night. Now multiply that by anywhere from 23-27 students in a classroom. 2-3 minutes to grade each paper - minimum. Not all papers are multiple choice. It starts to add up. Do kids sometimes grade each others papers? You bet. Does that happen all the time as you think - hardly.
And yes, some professions do bring work home. Most don't. And they are not criticized for being lazy, not working long enough hours, being money hungry...the list can go on.
What Springboro parents are hearing from Springboro Education Association members is "give us your offspring with a dollar
sign per pupil stamped on the forehead; and we'll give you a union teacher in every classroom, griping and complaining about being under-paid, under-praised, and being overly-critical of parents, constantly questioning parents IF we understand how difficult our boys and girls are to teach; while at the same time telling parents that the highly paid union teacher in every classroom is the most important resource in our child's education (even greater than the parents)....UNTIL it's time to send the child home for the parents to "teach" at home WHAT the teacher don't have time to do in the classroom? Isn't there something wrong with this picture of "social" justice for teachers RIGHTS to just show up at work, have a nice day, and then send their work home to the parents? As parents, our question to our teachers should be:

-Don't critize parents until you have walked in the shoes of hard working parents.- btw, teacher, have YOU spent a day in the workplace of parents .... working in the kitchens of our restaurants all day; driving through traffic congestion delivering packages into the late evening; working with patients in hospitals and nursing homes during the night shift; going door to door picking up garbage; going into city sewer lines to correct problems; working outdoors during the worst of weather conditions to restore electrical power....and on and on...
Get Real, teacher, and get to work earning your paycheck and bear your own burdens just like the rest of us working people.
It's just a job, and everybody has to work! Why not try
enjoy employment in our schools? We all know friends and relatives with teacing degrees and masters degrees that would LOVE to "suffer" through a day's work in the shoes of Springboro teachers!
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borobeef wrote:
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And aren't we all weary of hearing you whine and complain about the inadequate teaching in the public traditional schools? Why not spend time with your child studying instead of expecting the state or local government to fill in every gap that you as a parent don't want to fill? Just as an athlete must practice on his own, a student must spend time outside of the classroom preparing and dedicating "free time" towards education. Responsible parents must encourage and support good study habits versus blaming the government for your child's shortcomings.
Finding ways to methodically advance student achievement should always be everyone’s goal. Implementing academic reforms will, for example, reduce the present need for so many of our students needing to take college remediation courses. This, of course, will immediately translate into money saved for parents whose students attend Ohio’s colleges. And, in order to meet this challenge of higher academic quality, the current school Board of Education and District are, or already have plans to, invest heavily in technology, professional development for teachers, new textbooks, as well as new computers for every teacher, plus much more.
All this being said, there is a lot of work yet to be done to assure you (parents) that we will strive to do more than meet the minimum state requirements. The current Board of Education is dedicated to being advocates for every student striving to push the bar higher than other districts.
Some say there’s no need to change because our district achieved an “excellent with Distinction” rating for our most recent school year. But we live in a world that is dynamic, a world of ever-evolving expectations and realities that require our constant attention. What once was an acceptable level of achievement is now a relic of the past that will ill serve our children and our taxpayers in the future.
As parents, we all desire that our children be provided the best we can afford. We constantly challenge our children with the hope that doing so will help prepare them for the world and better lives than we ourselves enjoy. We are also highly cognizant of the importance of true learning and greatly value education and the promise of what it may bring.
Everyone in the school community has more in common than they have differences. Let us meld that commonality to push forth a better school system than we enjoy today. We owe it to our children. Let us come together to push for real achievement and higher standards that we currently demand.
http://educatespringboro.wordpress.com/2013/0...
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Given the latest news from Michigan regarding the passing of Right to Work legislation in that state it is encouraging to know that Ohio is right behind them. No longer should teachers be coerced into to participating in an organization that contradicts many teachers moral convictions. See links below. Forced unionism is a Marxist philosophy and has no place in Springboro. Yes a teacher can opt out but must still pay a large portion of the Membership dues. How about giving the teachers the ability to opt out and and pay nothing.

The Pro Union thugs that attend your meetings undermine and interfere with the Board's efforts of promoting fiscally responsible Pro Student/tax Payer initiative’s. The noise they make always leads back to what’s best for the teachers union interests with little concern for the Student or the Tax payer. Please understand I am thankful for the many great teachers in Springboro, it’s the Union who we have issues with.

Please do not cave to their Thug Tactics, the Community is behind you and appreciate your efforts to be fiscally responsible. Unelected Union Sympathizers have no platform to constantly harass the BOE members as they are neither Staff nor Union Members. As Union puppets their only purpose is create division and discontentment within the Schools and Community.

The best thing that can happen is to make Right to Work a Law here in Ohio and it is coming. http://www.10tv.com/content/stories/2012/12/1...

Check out what the NEA/Teachers Union stands for regarding Homosexuality, Liberal and Christian viewpoints. In my opinion Teachers Unions are like affirmative action, they force employers to compensate groups of individuals based on the demands of the group rather than individual performance/contributions. It is insulting to individual liberty and personal responsibility and is basically a legal form of extortion. Do we really want organizations with these kinds of radical agendas shaping our schools ideology?

See the links below and you’ll realize what we’re dealing with:

http://www.missionamerica.com/enews/enews_Mar...

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Education/Default.a...

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action...

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