Snyder makes passionate call for $1.2B in road fixes

Jan 17, 2013 Full story: The Detroit News 22

Lansing -- Gov. Rick Snyder called on the Legislature in Wednesday night's State of the State address to find a way to raise $1.2 billion in additional annual funding to fix the state's crumbling roads, allow no-reason absentee voting and reform no-fault auto insurance.

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confused

Toledo, OH

#1 Jan 17, 2013
These roads methods and materials r not the best.southeast Michigan has always had bad roads. Don't expect citizens to fund inferior roads and highways. It is already adequately funded at pumps and fees at Secy state. Use up to date roads!! Pot holes should not appear shortly after work. Go to Germany and see their methods.
Pete

Livonia, MI

#2 Jan 17, 2013
confused wrote:
These roads methods and materials r not the best.southeast Michigan has always had bad roads. Don't expect citizens to fund inferior roads and highways. It is already adequately funded at pumps and fees at Secy state. Use up to date roads!! Pot holes should not appear shortly after work. Go to Germany and see their methods.
Michigan motor fuel tax is 19 cents per gallon. There are other taxes and of course the federal tax. The total is about 57 cents per gallon. The fuel tax in Germany is $2.07 per gallon. Can you possibly see why there would be differences in road quality?
We have been through this discussion before. Yes, there certainly have been poor road fixes. Yes, there are now provisions to warranty those road repairs. If a road needs to be repaired again next year, you may not be paying for it if it's warranted.

Michigan pays the 5th highest road tax in the nation so I don't think we are getting what we deserve. I notice that Ohio roads are better. They only pay 45 cents per gallon.

The bottom line is
Snot

Romulus, MI

#3 Jan 17, 2013
The governor wants to tax Michiganders to the hilt then use the state Capitol as a fortress to stay away from the commoners !
confused

Toledo, OH

#4 Jan 17, 2013
I couldn't have said it better snot.recall Snyder the the 1 term Geek!!
Pete

Livonia, MI

#5 Jan 17, 2013
confused wrote:
I couldn't have said it better snot.recall Snyder the the 1 term Geek!!
It was just two weeks ago and you were posting what a great governor Snyder was and how he was so smart to pass all that legislation in the lame duck session that nobody could comment on before signing. You said he should do more of the same.

Now you are all about a recall!
confused

Detroit, MI

#6 Jan 17, 2013
I liked ficano also until things were uncovered. I guess I am a little fast to draw conclusions. All money eventually comes from taxes.I would just like it used responsibly and efficiently.California's Pacific coast highway has ridiculous costs to just keep it up. Michigan no longer has money coming in without everything being scrutinized including costs . The longevity of roads and highway's around here r a joke. In 1999 I 75 thru detroit was new and a short time later pothole appeared. No excuse for shoddy roads when so much money is spent. Time for better solutions!
Pete

Livonia, MI

#7 Jan 17, 2013
confused wrote:
I liked ficano also until things were uncovered. I guess I am a little fast to draw conclusions. All money eventually comes from taxes.I would just like it used responsibly and efficiently.California's Pacific coast highway has ridiculous costs to just keep it up. Michigan no longer has money coming in without everything being scrutinized including costs . The longevity of roads and highway's around here r a joke. In 1999 I 75 thru detroit was new and a short time later pothole appeared. No excuse for shoddy roads when so much money is spent. Time for better solutions!
Have you gone shopping for groceries lately? Everything takes more money than last time. Instead of wringing you hands and complaining, think of some ideas.
Maybe the trucks are overloaded and damaging the roads. Maybe more inspectors need to issue citations for these overloads. Every time they do a weighmaster check on I-275, they catch offenders. Increase those fines. Increase license fees for heavy users.
Would a toll road on major expressways be feasible?
Add fines on top of warranty to road projects that fail.
Cost study what various levels of repair deliver in longevity. A 2" lift on a bad surface only lasts a few months, yet is still done and can't be guaranteed. Still, the inconvenience of a complete tear-up might do more damage to the economy.
The bottom line is that fewer miles driven by gas vehicles that get better mileage provides less resources for repairs.

Life just is not so simple as recalling one guy and expecting the world to change.

PS. I remember when most of the roads here were in great shape.
confused

Detroit, MI

#8 Jan 18, 2013
I agree. Problems with Michigan roads have been inherent fer decades.I just don't like his solutions. If these roads were constructed with state of art technology then there would be no teardown as often.I used to live in Ohio in 74-75 and noticed Michigan roads r far more inferior. I love Michigan but this one problem is a ongoing headache.and yes patching over bad roads is a waste. In Germany on concrete roads they cut out bad area and repair as permanent road. I know we r not in Germany but more viable solutions r needed when these roads and highways should last much longer. What has been done in past decades is not a good solution.
Pete

Livonia, MI

#9 Jan 19, 2013
confused wrote:
I agree. Problems with Michigan roads have been inherent fer decades.I just don't like his solutions. If these roads were constructed with state of art technology then there would be no teardown as often.I used to live in Ohio in 74-75 and noticed Michigan roads r far more inferior. I love Michigan but this one problem is a ongoing headache.and yes patching over bad roads is a waste. In Germany on concrete roads they cut out bad area and repair as permanent road. I know we r not in Germany but more viable solutions r needed when these roads and highways should last much longer. What has been done in past decades is not a good solution.
If you start pricing out complete high tech rebuilds of the roads you will quickly discover that your taxes would need to go up 3-4 times or much more to support it. And that would go on for decades as the roads are brought up to your German standard. Are you ready to pay? Hell no, you won't vote to quadruple your taxes. You want cheap roads. This is what you have.

Think out of the box. Instead of electric vehicles, we need hover craft that don't load the roads and break them down. Our main trouble then would be flying dust and snow. The road surface itself could literally be dirt cheap.

Some local HS kids from Dearborn demonstrated a levitation concept that would not even require air blowing beneath a vehicle. I believe they received or applied for a patent on the principle.

The application of science to transportation has not moved at the speed of computer development. Over 100 years ago the Detroit Electric Car company had vehicles that would run 80 miles on a charge and one even set a record of 211 miles on a charge. The Volt gets 40 miles per charge down hill. The new Ford hybrid gets 20 (TWENTY) miles on a charge. Is this the way forward?
Snot

Romulus, MI

#10 Jan 19, 2013
It's time for alien take over they have flying disc ?
Pete

Livonia, MI

#11 Jan 19, 2013
Snot wrote:
It's time for alien take over they have flying disc ?
Exactly. Aliens don't need no stinking roads. Fords new robot cars are only an inkling in the direction needed. Lift the vehicles off the road and use automated systems for safety. I suspect the aliens are holding us back for some reason.
confused

Detroit, MI

#12 Jan 20, 2013
OK. We'll plan on future without roads
Pete

Livonia, MI

#13 Jan 20, 2013
confused wrote:
OK. We'll plan on future without roads
Well, we can't go that far yet because we all still need paths to get from place to place. A robot drive might not need directions, but it would be nice to see where you are going and traverse a public right-of-way. We don't want robots cutting through private property or you might be disturbed while sunning in the back yard. However, the road system could be minimal and should last a long time.

If we all work from home, that would help too.
Obskeptic

Warren, MI

#14 Jan 20, 2013
confused wrote:
I liked ficano also until things were uncovered. I guess I am a little fast to draw conclusions. All money eventually comes from taxes.I would just like it used responsibly and efficiently.California's Pacific coast highway has ridiculous costs to just keep it up. Michigan no longer has money coming in without everything being scrutinized including costs . The longevity of roads and highway's around here r a joke. In 1999 I 75 thru detroit was new and a short time later pothole appeared. No excuse for shoddy roads when so much money is spent. Time for better solutions!
One of the major problems about the road situation is the weight limits here in Michigan. They are almost twice what Ohio and Indiana permit. This was a result of the power of the automobile and manufacturing industry lobbies when manufacturing was such a huge player in the tri-county area. The heavy weight limits reduced trucking costs between tool and die suppliers, steel suppliers, liquids and other raw materials suppliers in the area. They still have a lot of influence, and maybe with the new right to work rules Michigan will create even more employment opportunity for us taxpayers. That is yet to be seen. I do know if we want to maintain high quality roads, we must reduce the weight and axles we allow to travel on the road design we install.
Meanie

Madison Heights, MI

#15 Jan 20, 2013
Pete wrote:
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Have you gone shopping for groceries lately? Everything takes more money than last time. Instead of wringing you hands and complaining, think of some ideas.
You want ideas? How about government officials/politicians reduce spending. Stop hiring administrative staff. Reduce and/or stop automatic salary increase for these greedy bastards. Stop hiring unnecessary assistants. Ficano alone has hundreds of assistants who average $100,000 each and they wonder why Wayne county is in financial trouble. L Brooks Patterson has nearly 100 assistants. Though not as many, Hackel has many assistants also. Why in the hell do these greedy f*cks need so many assistants? To add, it's not just these three. Many politicians have unnecessary staff personnel. Add that to their other ridiculous spending, they waste more money than a millionaire on his death bed.

STOP SPENDING OUR TAX DOLLARS AND STOP RAISING TAXES! There is no need for either.
Pete

Livonia, MI

#16 Jan 20, 2013
Meanie wrote:
<quoted text>
You want ideas? How about government officials/politicians reduce spending. Stop hiring administrative staff. Reduce and/or stop automatic salary increase for these greedy bastards. Stop hiring unnecessary assistants. Ficano alone has hundreds of assistants who average $100,000 each and they wonder why Wayne county is in financial trouble. L Brooks Patterson has nearly 100 assistants. Though not as many, Hackel has many assistants also. Why in the hell do these greedy f*cks need so many assistants? To add, it's not just these three. Many politicians have unnecessary staff personnel. Add that to their other ridiculous spending, they waste more money than a millionaire on his death bed.
STOP SPENDING OUR TAX DOLLARS AND STOP RAISING TAXES! There is no need for either.
While not carrying water for Benny Napoleon, he has mentioned something unusual for politicians that makes sense. He said Detroit needs to start with how much money is available and distribute that to what the priorities are and that's the end of spending. All levels of government should do this. I doubt Benny will come close when he is in the barrel.
confused

Toledo, OH

#17 Jan 20, 2013
I suddenly like your way of thinking Meanie. All this other mumbo jumbo talk is worthless when it boils down to it. Go get 'em Meanie.
Pete

Livonia, MI

#18 Jan 21, 2013
confused wrote:
I suddenly like your way of thinking Meanie. All this other mumbo jumbo talk is worthless when it boils down to it. Go get 'em Meanie.
Fine. You are the first to complain when your Yugo hits a pothole.
confused

Detroit, MI

#19 Jan 21, 2013
I thought yugos were extinct
confused

Detroit, MI

#20 Jan 21, 2013
I don't mean to stray but since subject has arisen what exactly is this bologna under ficano of buying years of credit towards retirement? How much does a credit cost? How long has this beenallowed? And they say these clown staffers got small raise ? They sshouldn't be getting any raise!! No meanie it is Wayne county that is way overstaffed compared to other counties. Ficano appointees far out number macomb and Oakland.ficano why not resign and let someone in there who will untangle this mess you've mostly yourself allowed to happen? Honestly. There is never any truthful explanations about these luxuries u allowed to go on until they surfaced. And courts uphold them? Why did u allow this to happen in first place? Or who did? Buy credits toward retirement. What is the arithmetic equation fer this.?do other counties in USA have this? Is this a scam? I am a homeowner who pays taxes and I have right to know along with others?

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