Couple challenging Michigan gay marriage ban 'entitled to their day in court,' judge rules

Jul 1, 2013 | Posted by: Rick in Kansas | Full story: www.mlive.com

Citing last week's U.S. Supreme Court decision striking down part of the federal Defense of Marriage Act, a federal judge on Monday ruled that a Hazel Park couple's challenge against Michigan's same-sex marriage ban should go to trial.

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Gays are far less committed in relationships, and often "flake" out of it.
The reason gays want marriage rights, is so they too can have shared insurance benefits, tax benefits and any other benefit that comes with the commitment of traditional marriage.
The problem is, this issue will create additional burdens on tax payers, all so gays can "feel" legitimized in their sexual activities.
Being gay IS NOT a choice, we get that...but at the same time, same-sex sex is NOT natural, rather something that simply has to be "dealt" with.
And before anyone gets all butthurt over that, you have to look at science which shows us, the parts don't fit properly!
Number one reason why procreation is not possible in a same-sex sexual encounter.
If the world was all gay men for example, the world would cease to exist in about 40 to 60 years.
Gay partnerships is no big deal, getting married (or going through the pretend motions of marriage) is cool too...crossing the line comes with expecting to be treated like a natural, normal, male/female committed marriage and receiving the benefits afforded to "that" level of commitment!
And trust me...none of what I am saying is based around religion (or emotion)...its strictly on the science.
None of that was backed by anything other than your personal opinion.

Do you have some recent verifiable statistics?

Prove that gay people "flake out" of their marriages at a faster rate than heterosexuals.

Prove that gay married couples are a bigger burden on "taxpayers", including themselves, that heterosexual married couples.

Prove that being gay is not natural for gay people, and that the attraction to only the same gender does not occur in nature.

Prove that at some point every man on the planet could possibly by gay, thus destroying the species.

And prove that even one comment here is backed by ANY peer reviewed science, and is not based simply on your emotions.

Good luck with that.
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None of that was backed by anything other than your personal opinion.
Do you have some recent verifiable statistics?
Prove that gay people "flake out" of their marriages at a faster rate than heterosexuals.
Prove that gay married couples are a bigger burden on "taxpayers", including themselves, that heterosexual married couples.
Prove that being gay is not natural for gay people, and that the attraction to only the same gender does not occur in nature.
Prove that at some point every man on the planet could possibly by gay, thus destroying the species.
And prove that even one comment here is backed by ANY peer reviewed science, and is not based simply on your emotions.
Good luck with that.
Oh brother...another one of those "provide a link" types. YIKES

Listen, if I provided statistics, you would say.."statistics lie" or something similar, so whats the point!

The bottom like, homosexuality is a birth defect...it does not mean gays are a defect in that they cannot feel love participate etc, it simply means that something messed up in the design of the engine that is the human brain!

I don't need to prove anything to you, the scientific writing is on the wall!

Being emotional and sensitive about my words is really foolish, this is a matter of science...nothing more.

Does it mean people of the same sex cannot companion each other, absolutely not!
What it does say though, is that people of the same sex cannot procreate, which is the sole purpose of mating!

Live and let live is what I believe...being a companion to someone is a beautiful thing...a piece of paper means NOTHING!

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<quoted text>Oh brother...another one of those "provide a link" types. YIKES
Listen, if I provided statistics, you would say.."statistics lie" or something similar, so whats the point!
The bottom like, homosexuality is a birth defect...it does not mean gays are a defect in that they cannot feel love participate etc, it simply means that something messed up in the design of the engine that is the human brain!
I don't need to prove anything to you, the scientific writing is on the wall!
Being emotional and sensitive about my words is really foolish, this is a matter of science...nothing more.
Does it mean people of the same sex cannot companion each other, absolutely not!
What it does say though, is that people of the same sex cannot procreate, which is the sole purpose of mating!
Live and let live is what I believe...being a companion to someone is a beautiful thing...a piece of paper means NOTHING!
WRONG ! A piece of paper means EVERYTHING (Try going to Europe without a passport). More than 1000 federal benefits are denied to a person, or a couple, WITHOUT that "piece of paper". A person can be denied access to a loved one in a hospital because they don't have that "piece of paper".

Are you THAT stupid ?!

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If you cant naturally procreate, then you are destine to perish.
Laws of science...hon!
Denial and failure to accept facts and reality, only hurt your case!
Natural procreation isn't the only way to make a baby dumpling, hasn't been for quite some time now. If you want to tell truth, it helps if you actually know some.

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And truly...it isn't my fault that you aren't evidently bright enough to figure out the reason species mate!
More specifically...getting your nut off is not what a marriage is, its just a good time...so why do you need a paper to have a good time?
The human species mates for a variety of reasons sweetie. Ass dismissed.
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<quoted text>The human species mates for a variety of reasons sweetie. Ass dismissed.
There is only one scientific reason for mating, which is procreation!

Save your emotional outbursts for your pity party there princess!
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<quoted text>Natural procreation isn't the only way to make a baby dumpling, hasn't been for quite some time now. If you want to tell truth, it helps if you actually know some.
"NATURAL" quite specific!

Come on ricky-bobby, try to keep up.

nat·u·ral
/&#712;naCH&#601;r &#601;l/
Adjective
Existing in or caused by nature; not made or caused by humankind.

Geez...read a book or something!
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WRONG ! A person can be denied access to a loved one in a hospital because they don't have that "piece of paper".
Are you THAT stupid ?!
That is an excellent point...no need to be rude!

When emotions get in the way of logic and reason, well it really marginalizes the cause!

All of the rest of your post is irrelevant!

No one cares about whether you and your sex partner can go to Europe (as if being straight or gay even matters).

No one cares about the thousands of benefits simply because you are able to sexually gratify or be gratified by someone!

There are many many close friends in the US who are not gay, that cannot share benefits. Why do you think that because you are having sexual relations with someone on somewhat of a steady basis, entitles you to the same benefits of those that are capable and willing to create a family and life.

Scientifically, a gay relationship offers very little in the evolution and contribution of life, which is sort of the fundamental basis for marriage.
Getting benefits is not a valid reason...

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There is only one scientific reason for mating, which is procreation!
Science is laughing at you sweetie, because you know so little about it.

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<quoted text>"NATURAL" quite specific!
Come on ricky-bobby, try to keep up.
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Existing in or caused by nature; not made or caused by humankind.
Geez...read a book or something!
Buttercup, you do realize that both same sex acts and even same sex pairings occur in nature, don't you? Nature has joined science in laughing at your ignorance.

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<quoted text>There is only one scientific reason for mating, which is procreation!
Save your emotional outbursts for your pity party there princess!
LOL!!! Poor you. I'm guessing you don't get laid very often. That might account for your clueless and hostile attitude about other people doing it, huh?

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<quoted text>....When emotions get in the way of logic and reason, well it really marginalizes the cause!...
ROTFLMAO!!! Oh, you are TOTALLY not getting laid very often. Maybe not ever. Too funny.
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What is interesting and eJohn really demonstrates it...being gay is strictly about the sex and nothing more. 2 posts and both focus on sexual intercourse.

Marriage is more than sex, but you seem to show the very nature of being gay has nothing to do with anything but!
Its likely a good thing YOU are not the spokesperson for the movement eJohn!

I also notice how the emotional side of your argument cannot stop you from being rude and insulting, but hey, I guess that's the estrogen talking...oh wait! ROFLMAO!!!
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<quoted text>Buttercup, you do realize that both same sex acts and even same sex pairings occur in nature, don't you? Nature has joined science in laughing at your ignorance.
Sorry there fluffy muffin, but you are wrong!
Nature in its true and natural form shows us that the mating of spices is relative to procreation, for you to suggest anything else is nothing but silliness and emotional hyperbole.

Humans are a unique spices in that they find multiple ways of sexual gratification, both normal and abnormally!
On the other hand, mating (Come together for breeding), is specific in nature in procreation (reproduction: the sexual activity of conceiving and bearing offspring).

The purpose of marriage specifically speaks to the concept of mating (ie procreation).

For gays, a piece of paper means nothing.
To use marriage to somehow legitimize this otherwise unnatural behavior, is foolish.

I will say that being able to be with loved ones in the hospital (as mentioned above) and being able to have consent and specific legal rights over some situations based on real relationships, is definitely something that needs to be worked on.

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What is interesting and eJohn really demonstrates it...being gay is strictly about the sex and nothing more....
LOL!! You TOTALLY aren't getting laid at all! Yet, you are completely and hopelessly obsessed with sex. And you don't know the first thing about sex or nature or anthropology or interpersonal relationships. Or anything that grown-ups know about. Poor you.

Let me just go out on a limb here and guess--you believe the Earth is around 6,000 years old, too, don't you??

Too funny, dude!! Keep 'em comin'! I can't make this stuff up!

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Sorry there fluffy muffin, but you are wrong!
So you claim, but let's see what actual proof you have to offer, shall we?
TruthBeTold wrote:
Nature in its true and natural form shows us that the mating of spices is relative to procreation, for you to suggest anything else is nothing but silliness and emotional hyperbole.
The word you are groping for is species dear, not spices and same sex behavior and even same sex mated pairs has been observed in the wild in more than 1000 different species. Nature says you really know nothing about it.
TruthBeTold wrote:
Humans are a unique spices in that they find multiple ways of sexual gratification, both normal and abnormally!
Abnormality is in the eye of the beholder bunny.
TruthBeTold wrote:
On the other hand, mating (Come together for breeding), is specific in nature in procreation (reproduction: the sexual activity of conceiving and bearing offspring).
The purpose of marriage specifically speaks to the concept of mating (ie procreation).
The purpose of marriage speaks to many different things and while "mating" is on that list, it is far from the only reason for the practice of it.
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For gays, a piece of paper means nothing.
To use marriage to somehow legitimize this otherwise unnatural behavior, is foolish.
I will say that being able to be with loved ones in the hospital (as mentioned above) and being able to have consent and specific legal rights over some situations based on real relationships, is definitely something that needs to be worked on.
If that is the kind of nonsense you want to believe in dear, you go right ahead. We will have an equal right to marriage whether you approve or not, get used to it. By the way hon, you offered nothing in the way of proof that I was wrong, just more ill-informed theory and conjecture. Truth be told, you know very little truth.
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LOL!! You TOTALLY aren't getting laid at all! Yet, you are completely and hopelessly obsessed with sex. And you don't know the first thing about sex or nature or anthropology or interpersonal relationships. Or anything that grown-ups know about. Poor you.
Let me just go out on a limb here and guess--you believe the Earth is around 6,000 years old, too, don't you??
Too funny, dude!! Keep 'em comin'! I can't make this stuff up!
3 posts now, and all concerning sex...thanks for proving my point!

So you you ran out of arguments and the first thing you "grasp" for as an argument against true science, is to try and cloudy things with religion?

It is typical of those losing an argument to get personal, attempt to smear and discredit facts, and even project your own insecurities onto others!

I pity your pathetic existence that relies on attacking others in order to make your own point!
Too bad for you lack of debating skills and any form of critical thought process!

No you stick to obsessing whether people have sex and whether they are religious, if that's how you cope with reality and science!

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WOO-HOO ! FULLY HOMOSEXUALIZING the U.S. one state at a time.

THE PLAN is working !

:)

(with apologies to felon Pete McGowan).
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The word you are groping for is species dear, not spices and same sex behavior and even same sex mated pairs has been observed in the wild in more than 1000 different species.
You are correct, I admit that I misspelled species...regardless you got the gist of what I was saying.

Species...Biology . the major subdivision of a genus or subgenus, regarded as the basic category of biological classification, composed of related individuals that resemble one another, are able to breed among themselves, but are not able to breed with members of another species.

Interesting...not a lot of "natural" breeding going on is there fluff nugget?

1000's of species having same gender sexual encounters? Really???

WOW! lol

Homosexuality (a human trait) is a defect in the natural design of the machine that is humans!
Much like MS/MD, Trisomy 21, dwarfism, homosexuality or any other flaw in the mechanics of the human state, it is scientifically undeniable that it is a defect, it may be unpleasant to admit but it is undeniable.

To get back on topic...the reason for marriage is not to receive benefits, its not to get tax breaks, its not even for a piece of paper...and it certainly is not to legitimize a special interest group!
The reason for mating is to naturally procreate, and gays are not capable of self sustaining procreation, which solidifies not being classified as "natural"!
Hate to burst your bubble there, bubbles!
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Anyone want to talk about bisexuality?

No such thing as bi.....go!

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