White people killed Detroit

White people killed Detroit

There are 324 comments on the Salon story from Jul 12, 2013, titled White people killed Detroit. In it, Salon reports that:

The gaunt man was sitting on a bench in the overgrown park at the corner of Chene and Ferry streets in Detroit, drinking an Old Milwaukee tallboy he'd bought at a Yemeni party store, and trying to peddle an old point-and-shoot film camera for $3.

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smartypants

Rose Bud, AR

#133 Jul 28, 2013
Kallark27 wrote:
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Are black people attempting to fix these problems? Of course they are! Unfortunately, with people like you, NOTHING black folk do to help themselves would even slightly appease you lol. So I'm going to drop it right now. I have no time nor patience to argue with you and people who think like you over what you think you know about black people.
I simply asked you to list what in your opinion are the top five problems facing the black community. It is telling that you won't list anything. Let me submit that the problems of the black community are insurmountable, monumental, and embarrassing, and that's the reason you didn't list them.

And further, I asked you a simple question: "Are black people attempting to fix these problems?" It requires only a simple yes-or-no answer and you can't even do that. Again, telling, don't you think?

I asked you to simply point us to something -- anything -- the black community is doing to solve its problems and you can't provide one single thing. Telling.

Let me guess: White people caused it.

And finally you say you have neither time nor patience to argue over what I think I know about black people. Well, I'm not asking you to argue over what I know. But I'll make it easy for you and let you set the goalposts: What *do* you have time and patience to argue about as it relates to black folk?
Jerome

United States

#134 Jul 28, 2013
Without the white mans working paying taxes for all the beggars and freeloaders see where your going Detroit can pay for a new stadium but can't take care of the freeloaders anymore so glad it's happening hope all major black populated cities get cut from the freebees! And Obama ain't bailing you out that's even better.
Festus

Buffalo, NY

#135 Jul 28, 2013
smartypants wrote:
<quoted text>
I simply asked you to list what in your opinion are the top five problems facing the black community. It is telling that you won't list anything. Let me submit that the problems of the black community are insurmountable, monumental, and embarrassing, and that's the reason you didn't list them.
And further, I asked you a simple question: "Are black people attempting to fix these problems?" It requires only a simple yes-or-no answer and you can't even do that. Again, telling, don't you think?
I asked you to simply point us to something -- anything -- the black community is doing to solve its problems and you can't provide one single thing. Telling.

Let me guess: White people caused it.
And finally you say you have neither time nor patience to argue over what I think I know about black people. Well, I'm not asking you to argue over what I know. But I'll make it easy for you and let you set the goalposts: What *do* you have time and patience to argue about as it relates to black folk?
K27 posts here hundreds of times saying the same thing and never adding anything positive. He likes to stress that, well, white people are not perfect and do things wrong too. That's the complete theme of his posts. Meanwhile, he does NOTHING. He'd live in the city himself except the insurance rates are too high he said. He's a pretender of the first magnitude.
Ronald

Bellflower, CA

#136 Jul 28, 2013
Kallark27 wrote:
<quoted text>
Are black people attempting to fix these problems? Of course they are! Unfortunately, with people like you, NOTHING black folk do to help themselves would even slightly appease you lol. So I'm going to drop it right now. I have no time nor patience to argue with you and people who think like you over what you think you know about black people.
Kallark27.

Actually, the Africans have had total rule over Detroit ever since they drove out the White people. When the Africans took control, they celebrated their takeover of the city, loudly proclaiming the new era of African rule. The Africans have had more than 50 years to "fix things". Why should more "fixes" be necessary?

The Africans and their mindless White "Liberal" apologists always spin Detroit's current plight on the decline of the Automobile industry. Yet, other cities have suffered declines in their industrial base of no less a magnitude than that of Detroit. The difference is that those cities moved on to something else, "reinventing themselves", so to speak. If the comparison seems unfair, please explain some reason other than the fact that Detroit has been governed by the Africans.

Ronald

Since: Nov 11

Smartt, TN

#137 Jul 28, 2013
smartypants wrote:
<quoted text>
I simply asked you to list what in your opinion are the top five problems facing the black community. It is telling that you won't list anything. Let me submit that the problems of the black community are insurmountable, monumental, and embarrassing, and that's the reason you didn't list them.
And further, I asked you a simple question: "Are black people attempting to fix these problems?" It requires only a simple yes-or-no answer and you can't even do that. Again, telling, don't you think?
I asked you to simply point us to something -- anything -- the black community is doing to solve its problems and you can't provide one single thing. Telling.
Let me guess: White people caused it.
And finally you say you have neither time nor patience to argue over what I think I know about black people. Well, I'm not asking you to argue over what I know. But I'll make it easy for you and let you set the goalposts: What *do* you have time and patience to argue about as it relates to black folk?
You asked me a simple question. I gave you a simple answer. "Of course they are!" Is what I said. Or would you rather me say: "YES"? Ok then, I will. "YES". As I said, I won't argue with you about it because the things that black people ARE doing are simply not enough to meet your "lofty" standards. It is "telling" I won't list anything. Much of what happens that I personally know of you really won't see on the evening news or in the Free Press. It's really that simple. Ebony magazine has written scores of articles about black empowerment and it has also shown successful black businessperson's and it has also spoken in depth about what black folk are doing in Chicago and Detroit to combat these problems. Detroit filing for bankruptcy is a huge start. Mr. Orr and other experts say that city services will improve. Your experience and prejudice may say one thing. Those two things are subjective, not factual. The reality is a bit different from what you think you know.

Since: Nov 11

Smartt, TN

#138 Jul 28, 2013
Festus wrote:
<quoted text>
K27 posts here hundreds of times saying the same thing and never adding anything positive. He likes to stress that, well, white people are not perfect and do things wrong too. That's the complete theme of his posts. Meanwhile, he does NOTHING. He'd live in the city himself except the insurance rates are too high he said. He's a pretender of the first magnitude.
Oh yeah I have posted hundreds of times....since 2011 lol! The complete theme of my posts is that of course black people and the black community have problems, however, there is more to life than the problems of the black community. What I really want to know, that I apparently can't get any person, especially white, to answer honestly is whether or not all of their "constructive" criticism of the black community is rooted in, at the VERY least, concern or just to make themselves feel better. As far as doing nothing, well, you can't say that at all because you don't me at all. So don't assume.
Festus

Buffalo, NY

#139 Jul 28, 2013
Kallark27 wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh yeah I have posted hundreds of times....since 2011 lol! The complete theme of my posts is that of course black people and the black community have problems, however, there is more to life than the problems of the black community. What I really want to know, that I apparently can't get any person, especially white, to answer honestly is whether or not all of their "constructive" criticism of the black community is rooted in, at the VERY least, concern or just to make themselves feel better. As far as doing nothing, well, you can't say that at all because you don't me at all. So don't assume.
If concern is "constructive" it doesn't matter whether it makes whites feel good or not. The reality is that changes are needed. All you do is agree and move on to white blame. Speaking for myself, I get no satisfaction in criticizing. I would get immense satisfaction if blacks would carry their weight so whites did not have to support them.
Talk to us again when you move to Detroit.
smartypants

Rose Bud, AR

#140 Jul 28, 2013
Kallark27 wrote:
{snip}

What I really want to know, that I apparently can't get any person, especially white, to answer honestly is whether or not all of their "constructive" criticism of the black community is rooted in, at the VERY least, concern or just to make themselves feel better.

{snip}
Honestly, speaking as a White man, my criticism of the black community and blacks is very much rooted in concern -- for me and my people. What do we get from blacks? They follow Whites around like ticks and are offended that we don't treasure the chance to have our blood sucked dry. They bring death and destruction everywhere they go. Oh, sure, there are some good ones, I'm told. Doubtless Kallark is one of them. But any one of them being a good one doesn't mean that the rest of them are allowed to tear down White cities and towns, schools and neighborhoods. If Kallark is one of the good ones, great. He should go make his own folk better.

Whites are not the source of black problems. Whites don't have the solutions to black problems.

And Kallark, since you can't even name five significant black problems, let me just narrow it down to one for you. The biggest problem blacks have is they keep acting black.

I know. You're not going to argue with me. Good. No response necessary.

Since: Nov 11

Smartt, TN

#141 Jul 28, 2013
smartypants wrote:
<quoted text>
Honestly, speaking as a White man, my criticism of the black community and blacks is very much rooted in concern -- for me and my people. What do we get from blacks? They follow Whites around like ticks and are offended that we don't treasure the chance to have our blood sucked dry. They bring death and destruction everywhere they go. Oh, sure, there are some good ones, I'm told. Doubtless Kallark is one of them. But any one of them being a good one doesn't mean that the rest of them are allowed to tear down White cities and towns, schools and neighborhoods. If Kallark is one of the good ones, great. He should go make his own folk better.
Whites are not the source of black problems. Whites don't have the solutions to black problems.
And Kallark, since you can't even name five significant black problems, let me just narrow it down to one for you. The biggest problem blacks have is they keep acting black.
I know. You're not going to argue with me. Good. No response necessary.
One thing I've never said is that it's all the fault of white people. Explicitly, implicitly, tacitly, or indirectly have I said that. Minister Louis Farrakhan in a 60 minutes interview even said that it's not all the fault of white people. With respect, anyone with half a brain can see that. To omit what you say are "five significant black problems" from my statements is in no way, shape, or form, proof of willful, or even legitimate, ignorance on my part. I'm well aware of the problems in the black community. I just don't see the need to keep repeating the same things over and over again. My actions speak louder than all the cry babies on Topix.

Since: Nov 11

Smartt, TN

#142 Jul 28, 2013
I meant to add smarty pants:

"Honestly, speaking as a White man, my criticism of the black community and blacks is very much rooted in concern -- for me and my people."

That is quite beneficent of you I guess lol. But your people really don't care about you either. It's proven everyday in boardrooms, Wall Street, and Capitol Hill, and historically the fact that president Woodrow Wilson signed into law the Federal Reserve act which sold "your people" into perpetual debt. America had an excellent monetary system prior to the Federal Reserve Act being passed. As it continues to exist, the value of our money deteriorates more and more. The list of white greed and selfishness stretches from the ground all the way to the top of Mt. Everest and beyond whether you want to believe it or not.

"What do we get from blacks? They follow Whites around like ticks and are offended that we don't treasure the chance to have our blood sucked dry."

You know, I don't quite get that statement. Nielsen reports that black spending power will reach $1.1 Trillion in 2015. I would imagine all that money would not come from white taxpayers because black people pay taxes and earn a living like everyone else. Maybe you could explain that one a little further.

"They bring death and destruction everywhere they go."

The bad black people do. Historically, the same could be said of white people though.

"But any one of them being a good one doesn't mean that the rest of them are allowed to tear down White cities and towns, schools and neighborhoods."

True enough. However, I need you to do me a favor and tell rich white people to stop outsourcing our jobs to Asia, seeking every conceivable tax loophole to line their pockets with our cash, tell Wall Street bankers to get their act together instead of taking an 800 billion dollar welfare check to bail themselves out partly because of their own selfish and greedy acts. That's a start.

"If Kallark is one of the good ones, great. He should go make his own folk better."

And while I'm at it, maybe you could do the same for your people too ;-)
Leonard

Pittsburgh, PA

#143 Jul 28, 2013
Kallark27 wrote:
<quoted text>
One thing I've never said is that it's all the fault of white people. Explicitly, implicitly, tacitly, or indirectly have I said that. Minister Louis Farrakhan in a 60 minutes interview even said that it's not all the fault of white people. With respect, anyone with half a brain can see that. To omit what you say are "five significant black problems" from my statements is in no way, shape, or form, proof of willful, or even legitimate, ignorance on my part. I'm well aware of the problems in the black community. I just don't see the need to keep repeating the same things over and over again. My actions speak louder than all the cry babies on Topix.
Only moments ago, Minister Louis Farrakhan said there is no hope for blacks in the system. He called for complete racial separation. "We need to find a path to complete separation of the races." At last we have come to an understanding that I can fully agree with. Let us begin a process.

Since: Nov 11

Smartt, TN

#144 Jul 28, 2013
Festus wrote:
<quoted text>
If concern is "constructive" it doesn't matter whether it makes whites feel good or not. The reality is that changes are needed. All you do is agree and move on to white blame. Speaking for myself, I get no satisfaction in criticizing. I would get immense satisfaction if blacks would carry their weight so whites did not have to support them.
Talk to us again when you move to Detroit.
You are 100% correct that changes are needed. To keep saying that I "move on to white blame" is absolutely ridiculous. I never once said white people are to blame for all of black people's problems. Most if not all of black folks problems in 2013 are self-inflicted. Did you get that all? I'll say it again for you: MOST IF NOT ALL OF BLACK FOLKS PROBLEMS IN 2013 ARE SELF-INFLICTED. Speaking for myself, no white person has ever supported me. I carry my own weight and pay my own taxes as do countless other black people. I know you make that statement about white people supporting black people because of your majority status right now. As such, white people the bulk of taxes. Am I right?

Since: Nov 11

Smartt, TN

#145 Jul 28, 2013
Leonard wrote:
<quoted text>
Only moments ago, Minister Louis Farrakhan said there is no hope for blacks in the system. He called for complete racial separation. "We need to find a path to complete separation of the races." At last we have come to an understanding that I can fully agree with. Let us begin a process.
Lol great! Let him and his followers separate! Let you and people who think you separate! See ya! I couldn't care less. Me personally? I see no need to separate. I have no problem with any ethnic group. Whoever wants to leave or separate, let them! No one's stopping you.
Ronald

Bellflower, CA

#147 Jul 28, 2013
Kallark27 wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh yeah I have posted hundreds of times....since 2011 lol! The complete theme of my posts is that of course black people and the black community have problems, however, there is more to life than the problems of the black community. What I really want to know, that I apparently can't get any person, especially white, to answer honestly is whether or not all of their "constructive" criticism of the black community is rooted in, at the VERY least, concern or just to make themselves feel better. As far as doing nothing, well, you can't say that at all because you don't me at all. So don't assume.
Kallark27.

I don't think all the criticism of the Africans that is being made by White people is meant to be constructive. I think it's just an expression of frustration. Its a sign White people - except, perhaps, with the exception of the most diehard of brain-dead "Liberal" apologists - have given up on the Africans.

For more than 50 years, duplicitous self-serving politicians - so-called White "leaders" and the corrupt legal system have transferred more and more wealth of the greater community to the Africans - each time promising that only a little more sacrifice is needed to change African behavior. As if on cue, that behavior changed sure enough. With each new infusion of hard earned taxpayer money or accommodation under force of LAW! that behavior became ever more worse.

It's time for the Africans to be set free, and be granted the RIGHT to live amongst their own kind so that they might be able to enjoy the expression of their unique "culture" free from interference by the White man and the cops. The nation can ill afford to lose another first world city like Detroit.

Ronald

Since: Nov 11

Smartt, TN

#148 Jul 29, 2013
Ronald wrote:
<quoted text>
Kallark27.
I don't think all the criticism of the Africans that is being made by White people is meant to be constructive. I think it's just an expression of frustration. Its a sign White people - except, perhaps, with the exception of the most diehard of brain-dead "Liberal" apologists - have given up on the Africans.
For more than 50 years, duplicitous self-serving politicians - so-called White "leaders" and the corrupt legal system have transferred more and more wealth of the greater community to the Africans - each time promising that only a little more sacrifice is needed to change African behavior. As if on cue, that behavior changed sure enough. With each new infusion of hard earned taxpayer money or accommodation under force of LAW! that behavior became ever more worse.
It's time for the Africans to be set free, and be granted the RIGHT to live amongst their own kind so that they might be able to enjoy the expression of their unique "culture" free from interference by the White man and the cops. The nation can ill afford to lose another first world city like Detroit.
Ronald
And for all the people that want to leave, let them go. But while your packing their bags, pack yours too. The Native Americans need their land back. Go back to Europe.
Obskeptic

Saint Clair, MI

#149 Jul 29, 2013
The argument for the hatred and racism that black americans harbor for whites always falls back on poverty. It is poverty that makes blacks so violent and prone to crime. Even though the overwhelming majority of those violent crimes are committed by other blacks, they still point to white people as the problem. Here are the statistics on one of the poorest white counties in America, and they clearly show that its not a poverty thing at all. It is just a black thing, all that killing and violent crime.
http://www.city-data.com/county/Buchanan_Coun...

Since: Nov 11

Dillsboro, NC

#150 Jul 29, 2013
Obskeptic wrote:
The argument for the hatred and racism that black americans harbor for whites always falls back on poverty. It is poverty that makes blacks so violent and prone to crime. Even though the overwhelming majority of those violent crimes are committed by other blacks, they still point to white people as the problem. Here are the statistics on one of the poorest white counties in America, and they clearly show that its not a poverty thing at all. It is just a black thing, all that killing and violent crime.
http://www.city-data.com/county/Buchanan_Coun...
One thing I don't understand is why some white people actually believe that. Poverty causes a lot of things, however, there are some black people that are very racist and hateful because white people are white. It's really disturbing to think that some white people cling to that notion when evidence and logic point elsewhere.
smartypants

Conway, AR

#151 Jul 29, 2013
Kallark27 wrote:
I meant to add smarty pants:
"Honestly, speaking as a White man, my criticism of the black community and blacks is very much rooted in concern -- for me and my people."
That is quite beneficent of you I guess lol. But your people really don't care about you either. It's proven everyday in boardrooms, Wall Street, and Capitol Hill, and historically the fact that president Woodrow Wilson signed into law the Federal Reserve act which sold "your people" into perpetual debt. America had an excellent monetary system prior to the Federal Reserve Act being passed. As it continues to exist, the value of our money deteriorates more and more. The list of white greed and selfishness stretches from the ground all the way to the top of Mt. Everest and beyond whether you want to believe it or not.
"What do we get from blacks? They follow Whites around like ticks and are offended that we don't treasure the chance to have our blood sucked dry."
You know, I don't quite get that statement. Nielsen reports that black spending power will reach $1.1 Trillion in 2015. I would imagine all that money would not come from white taxpayers because black people pay taxes and earn a living like everyone else. Maybe you could explain that one a little further.
"They bring death and destruction everywhere they go."
The bad black people do. Historically, the same could be said of white people though.
"But any one of them being a good one doesn't mean that the rest of them are allowed to tear down White cities and towns, schools and neighborhoods."
True enough. However, I need you to do me a favor and tell rich white people to stop outsourcing our jobs to Asia, seeking every conceivable tax loophole to line their pockets with our cash, tell Wall Street bankers to get their act together instead of taking an 800 billion dollar welfare check to bail themselves out partly because of their own selfish and greedy acts. That's a start.
"If Kallark is one of the good ones, great. He should go make his own folk better."
And while I'm at it, maybe you could do the same for your people too ;-)
You said you weren't going to argue with me. And I told you no response was necessary. And what do I get? Not one but two responses arguing with me.
Economics 101

United States

#152 Jul 29, 2013
If y'all have one dollar,
How much can you spend?
Meanie

Dearborn, MI

#153 Jul 29, 2013
Economics 101 wrote:
If y'all have one dollar,
How much can you spend?
Depends on the limit of the credit card they stole.

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