The law didn't save her

The law didn't save her

There are 179 comments on the Chicago Tribune story from Mar 15, 2008, titled The law didn't save her. In it, Chicago Tribune reports that:

Cindy Bischof thought her breakup with a longtime boyfriend would go smoothly after he agreed to move out of her house.

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Radian

Princeton, IL

#3 Mar 15, 2008
"In certain cases, a protective court order is not enough and the only viable option is for a woman to either enter a shelter or relocate, experts say."

Actually, there IS another option: allow women in such circumstances to carry a concealed firearm. Had this been possible, she could've sent that sorry bastard to his maker.

But in any case, I would still recommend this to women being stalked. You may be in legal hot water afterwards, but you'll be alive, your nemesis will be six feet under, and chances are no jury will convict you when they hear the full story.
Dewey Cox

United States

#4 Mar 15, 2008
The "law" didn't stop this guy from acquiring a gun. But the "law-abiding" (un-armed,) victim is dead.

Something seems obviously wrong.
Ella

Melrose Park, IL

#5 Mar 15, 2008
Radian wrote:
"In certain cases, a protective court order is not enough and the only viable option is for a woman to either enter a shelter or relocate, experts say."
Actually, there IS another option: allow women in such circumstances to carry a concealed firearm. Had this been possible, she could've sent that sorry bastard to his maker.
But in any case, I would still recommend this to women being stalked. You may be in legal hot water afterwards, but you'll be alive, your nemesis will be six feet under, and chances are no jury will convict you when they hear the full story.
I agree!
non

Dixon, IL

#6 Mar 15, 2008
What the story fails to remind everyone of is that the second the order was filed against the man, under federal and IL law he could NOT lawfully have a firearm. If he had any, the police were to seize them. If he had a FOID, it would be revoked. How did he get the gun--and if a person was negligant or criminal and gave it to him--they should be prosecuted.

It is a horrible story that underscores a sad point; unless the threatening person is behind bars, an order of protection is a piece of paper.

It is repugnant that we still deny lawfully qualified citzens the right to carry a firearm. And it is a telling reality--you don't have to be an avid hunter or shooter or even like guns--but it is critical that young women be instructed in safe gun handling and defensive shooting when they are old enough to learn. Then, if the moment arises that they must be responsible for their own safety--they will have the knowledge at hand.
Ms Mia

Downers Grove, IL

#7 Mar 15, 2008
I guess she should have gone to the Illinois State Police Website for advice. Maybe she should have barfed on him to protect herself? Unlike the other 48 states that allow the basic human right of self defense, this is the official Illinois stance:

* Telling an attacker that you have VD or AIDS can discourage him.
* It may sound disgusting, but putting your fingers into you throat and making yourself vomit usually gets results.(This method is not often used except as a last resort.)
* Use your imagination and you can think of others.

The above methods are particularly important if your assailant has a gun or knife, or there is more than one attacker.(Fighting would probably be futile.)

If you must fight

* Guns stolen from residences are a primary way of getting guns into the hands of criminals.
* Be aware of those times and places where there is a potential for attack and be prepared to defend yourself.
o parking lots
o walking at night
o waiting for a bus
o elevators
o other you will learn to recognize

Articles common to your handbag that make useful defense weapons.

* nail file
* rat tail comb
* teasing brush
* pens and pencils
* keys
* anything rigid

Think I'm kidding? Here is the link:
http://www.isp.state.il.us/crime/saconfronted...

Illinois needs to join the other 48 states in the 21st Century and pass a CCW law to allow woemn to protect themselves.
Lou

Downers Grove, IL

#9 Mar 15, 2008
Dear Editor,

I read your anti-gun editorial printed Wednesday in response to 2500 law abiding citizen lobbyists marching in Springfield for their Second Amendment rights and then I read this article which is a virtual advertisement for a CCW law in Illinois and I wonder how it is you cannot see the disconnect. Are you so biased that you don't see the contradiction?

You people are SAD - Second Amendment Deniers.
Kilo

Libertyville, IL

#12 Mar 15, 2008
Why didn't she let him hang himself when he wanted to?
Call the police after she was sure he was dead, problem solved.
Very sad

Chicago, IL

#13 Mar 15, 2008
You can argue that she or the killer (her ex) should or should not have had a gun. But with the killers motives, gun or no gun he was going to have it his way regardless.

RIP
yep

United States

#15 Mar 15, 2008
Kilo wrote:
Why didn't she let him hang himself when he wanted to?
Call the police after she was sure he was dead, problem solved.
I was thinking the same thing. She should have just let him go ahead and hang himself. Too bad she didn't.
Somebody

Milwaukee, WI

#16 Mar 15, 2008
Kilo wrote:
Why didn't she let him hang himself when he wanted to?
Call the police after she was sure he was dead, problem solved.
Right on!!!
show me

Lititz, PA

#17 Mar 15, 2008
people in illinois are sitting duck victims because they are not allowed to protect there self s
ishmo

United States

#18 Mar 15, 2008
The headline says it all, the law failed her. Instead of some more warm and fuzzy feel good laws maybe it's time to allow qualified law abiding citizens, especially women, to carry a weapon to defend themselves.
lester

Herriman, UT

#19 Mar 15, 2008
i was falsely charged with domestic battery at the start of my divorce several years ago. my ex was very adept at manipulating the system in place to her advantage, and it resulted in an extended divorce and custody battle. i have sympathy for Ms. Bischof, but am also now aware that there are victims on both sides of this argument.
John A

Evergreen Park, IL

#20 Mar 15, 2008
The firearms laws in Illinois are unconstitutional as far as I'm concerned. As an American it is my duty to ignore unconstitutional laws.

It is also my duty to provide for my family, I can't see any easy way of doing this if I'm dead or crippled. I don't think God would be too happy with me not doing everything I can to meet this responsibility.

I have to live by the laws of man for several decades, if I'm lucky. I have to live by the laws of God for all eternity. One set of these laws are much more important to me.

To all the posters here; when was the last time any law enforcement official searched you, or you vehicle out of the blue? If you are the average law abiding person, and look the part of that average person they rarely do. Carry on.
Question

Hammond, IN

#21 Mar 15, 2008
Guess who is making these laws! Men! The law needs to be more severe with these people as it could happen to men as well.
The order of protection does not help and the police are at a lose to protect. Put these animals behind bars! they are so fix on the person that they can't and will never let loose until they feel they have vindicated themselves by hurting those they are fixated on.
I hate hearing these stories and it makes me sick that we allow these losers to exsist in our society!!!!!!!!!!
Marsha

Phoenix, AZ

#22 Mar 15, 2008
I say, the idiot who was responsible for releasing this human garbage from jail should be held liable as a secondary.
glad its over

Naperville, IL

#23 Mar 15, 2008
The protection order can't stop a bullet, or anything else if one is hellbent on revenge.
The only thing she can hope for is he finds something else, or someone else, to keep his mind off of her.
PLUS, it depends on the offender also. If he was a first time offender, more than likely, he'll get probation for the first domestic. A misdemeanor. No prior criminal record, plain and simple.
My ex was TERRIFIED to go back to jail, as that was his first time in jail. He did not contact me for the entire time under the protective order. He didn't want to get introduced to Bubba I guess.
The sad part is there were guns in our house, and the police confiscated them, because, we're not supposed to have them in Chicago.(so yes we were "lawbreakers") I was even more scared then, because I had nothing but a baseball bat to defend myself & my child in case he came back. Had the locks changed within hours of the arrest, even though his keys were still in my house.
One thing too that has to be kept in mind, depending on the occupation of the offender and if there are children involved. If he is a blue collar professional, and the woman is a stay at home mom,(or works part time) a lot of judges are hesitant to convict of domestic battery in fear that the man will lose his job and the woman and child(ren) will be left with no income, or subsequent child support. I personally can see that side of the coin, BUT, letting him off on that fear just basically gives him the permission to come back and finish the job.
Sooooo, if the abuser is a felon, has a long criminal record for battery, narcotics possession, being in possession of guns, thefts, burglaries and the like, it's more than likely that he doesn't give a rats a$$ is he goes back to jail, and he's more likely to break the order and finish her off.
My ex is a blue collar worker, so he took a plea of battery to avoid the possibility of him losing his job. Got probation and anger management classes. whoo hoo. I doubt he changed one bit.
I wish there was a better solution to all of this. We have no way of knowing that someone may eventually turn into a monster. I saw NONE of the signs in my ex when I married him, but started to see small changes when I became pregnant with our child over 2 years later. Once you're married, it's even harder to leave. Even if you file for divorce BEFORE the physical abuse starts, there is NOTHING you can do to get him out of the house. IMHO, that is just like signing your own death certificate. A "fear" or "feeling" something bad is going to happen isn't good enough to have him legally removed from the home. You have to wait till he hits you to get him removed. If you're lucky enough to survive, like I was,(thankfully) lock his a$$ up, SHOW UP IN COURT AND DO NOT DROP THE CHARGES!!!!! I saw almost every woman do that on the day I was there for the hearing. Even the one who's b/f threw the baby. She wanted to drop the charges, thankfully that judge denied it, and she kept him in custody.
Sorry for the novel, but I guess I had more to say than I originally thought.

“LONELY BEACON OF TRUTH”

Since: Oct 07

Drifter

#24 Mar 15, 2008
"Giroux did not have a Firearm Owners Identification Card, which Illinois requires to buy guns. Elmhurst police say they are working with federal officials to determine how he got the pistol used to kill Bischof."

Again gun control works to control guns of the law abiding, but fails in the hands of criminal or psycho.

I guess they need to make those orders of protection out of Kevlar instead of paper eh?

Too late now...but don't worry citizens! Mayor Daley is safe surrounded by a phalanx of armed goons.

Feel better?
Jones

Naperville, IL

#25 Mar 15, 2008
Every time a child is in danger, there's no trouble getting a law passed (Megan's Law, Amber Alerts). But domestic issues are still seen as "lover's quarrels". The moment an abuser violates a restraining order and shows mental imbalance is the moment a victim should be allowed to defend him/herself by any means necessary. If Bischof had blown him away, no one would have blamed her.
anonymous

AOL

#26 Mar 15, 2008
Actually we live in a very corrupt and deadly society where many times the abusive and conspiring feel all he/she/they has to do is commit criminal activity, concoct a story, and "CRY_WOLF", and file false reports, etc. There is no real protection or help for many women like Savio, Stacy, and many others. About everywhere some women turn everything is shoved under the rug. The elephant in the roon is too huge to shove under the rug any more. Money Talks criminals and the corupt walk. The last thing the corrupt want is for their victims/targets to have is something in which to protect their lives. The law states that when one's life is in great danger he/she has every right to be able to defend himself/herself. In many instances the courts do absolutely nothing for the victim/target but to try to be able to demand to make him/her into the one who is a danger to society. That also goes for children who have been violated.
The person who is the real danger are into "Theatrical Hoax". They look for a corrupt lawyer or a certain judge whom they feel will help get him/her off. They plot and scheeme in which to help make the victim/target out the bad person and even enterfere in the victim/target's testimony and witness tampering. This also takes place within corrupt systems. We are foced to live in a lawless enclave where anything goes. Reality has proven that not everyone in positions of authority can be trusted. That absolute power corrupts absolutely. Many times there are no checks and balances in a corrupt society where someone is so hell bent on killing another person.

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