Do home schoolers learn more?

Do home schoolers learn more?

There are 19 comments on the Sun-Times News Group story from Sep 29, 2007, titled Do home schoolers learn more?. In it, Sun-Times News Group reports that:

“And what's important is the student's perception.”

With the popularity of home schooling on the rise, the academic payoff may not be as large as parents think. via Sun-Times News Group

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Vegan Berwynite Cyclist

Oak Park, IL

#1 Sep 29, 2007
The attempts to minimize the benefits of homeschooling are pathetic at best. I don't have kids, but I would definitely consider homeschooling for the simple fact that I would want to have some control over the kinds of children my kids were socializing with on a daily basis. It does matter! I'd want to raise my kids on healthy foods and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that so many kids get exposed to crappy foods through other kids. Also, I wouldn't want my kids to watch tv or play video games. Same deal. They'd be around kids whose parents allow all sorts of nonsense. Notice how the article doesn't even mention the moral upbringing reason for homeschooling?
MHz

Chesterfield, MO

#3 Oct 8, 2007
Like mass education homeschooling can be done well or it can be done poorly.

A lady in my neighborhood who homeschools is very far behind with her kids. In fact, she enrolled them in a charter school to get them caught up. I have heard of many homeschooling parents that felt that they weren't doing an adequate job and then enrolled the kids in school. I don't see that a sign of failure since these parents cared for their children and once they realized their own limitations came up with a workable game plan on their own without any coersion.

Academically speaking, home schooling shows the most dramatic results when the parents have advanced degrees. It's not unusual to see a middle school student working at a college level in biology or math when the parent who has a degree in that field is directing the scope and sequence of the child.

Given an adequate curriculum and competent teacher, one-on-one tutoring is always going to bring in better results than being taught in a large group. Personal coaching by an expert is what gets people to the Olympics, not public school PE class.
MHz

Chesterfield, MO

#5 Oct 8, 2007
Used2bHancock wrote:
<quoted text>I agree. If the parents themselves are good educators the children will succeed at a much higher level. If the parents are uneducated, their children will not succeed. It's as simple as that.
Not always. They can, and do, sign up with Calvert or K12 charter schools and have the entire curriculum delivered in a box, with tests, along with access to phone consultations with teachers when a problem arises. Sylvan provides standardized testing (for independent third party confirmation)for a fee so if the parent has any doubt that it's not "working" they can get the child tested. Parents with only high school education can successfully homeschool if they are careful. There seem to be more options these days than there used to be.

The failures that I've seen seem to stem from underestimating what is going on at the local public school. For example, the parent hears of an inner city school in which fifth graders can't do basic addition and then considers themselves up to standards because their fifth grader can only do basic addition. They fail because they think that success means being only slightly better than someone else's spectacular failure.

“rain like grace”

Since: Aug 07

Olympia

#8 Oct 12, 2007
school districts need to be diligent in keeping track of the home schoolers in that the parents need to be qualified or overseen. The State of Washington has stricter laws than some states.

I truly believe that because home school is an experiencial learning that parents need to carefully assess if they have the staying power to home school for many hears. To throw a home schooled child back into public school is a tricky thing.
I kept mine home for all 12 years. Both faired well in testing, which is required under law each year. By the time they reached college, they were heads above thier peers academically.

I find that families that use charter schools and home school academies also do well. I do not think modelling a home school environment to mimic public school settings is fruitful for a homeschooler. The parents must be diligent and ever active in providing enriching experiences. The parent must be a lifetime learner themselves.

All this may be a mute point within a few years since the NEA wants to ban home schooling altogether.

“rain like grace”

Since: Aug 07

Olympia

#9 Oct 12, 2007
As you can see, I am a horrible typer, so I found someone else to help my children with that skill...smiles........
MHz

Chesterfield, MO

#10 Oct 12, 2007
[quote] the NEA wants to ban home schooling altogether.[/quote]

Too late for that. They had a chance back when it was only a few crack pot families. These days every senator in your state has a neighbor of family member that is homeschooling. Besides, the NEA has its hands full with charter schools and vouchers. That's a much bigger threat to traditional brick and mortar schools than home schoolers who just want to be left alone and are content in leaving the brick and mortar schools alone.

The biggest threat from homeschooling families is that they are eroding tax support from within the districts. A lot of districts are responding to this by offering programs in which home schooling families can enroll in part-time.

The NEA is not going to be succesful behaving like the educational equivalent of RIAA.

Since: Jun 07

NY born and raised

#11 Oct 12, 2007
My neighbor locked his son in a closet for 2 weeks and said he learned plenty.
I think this type of teaching is the future.
EVO

Elmhurst, IL

#12 Oct 15, 2007
I'm not a parent. But every parent in America doesn't have the time, or in some cases the knowledge to homeschool their child or children. It's true that some homeschoolers have won the spelling bee. Vegan it seems as though you would blame a lot of your child's problems on others. The last kid that won the spelling bee didn't have any social skills when interviewed on CNN. He barely could hold a conversation. This leads to a child being picked on leading to certian situations(Virginia Tech). What needs to happen is the American tax payers need to get on the officials to spend OUR money the right way. Saudia Arabia has free healthcare and college tuition for their people. On the other hand here we are, a global superpower with the biggest financial debt. I love this country but our leaders would rather cut school funding for minorities and lose as a nation rather than teach everyone equally to create bigger & better business owners to improve this economy.
EVO

Elmhurst, IL

#13 Oct 15, 2007
Also I don't reside in Elmhurst but in Maywood
Blackberry

Middlesbrough, UK

#14 Oct 21, 2007
Would anyone like to tell me what qualifications and facilities you need in order to home school a child?
MHz

Chesterfield, MO

#15 Oct 21, 2007
Heather, it depends on which state you live in.

You can look up homeschooling regulations in your particular state at HSDLA.org
john

United States

#16 Nov 21, 2007
EVO wrote:
I'm not a parent. But every parent in America doesn't have the time, or in some cases the knowledge to homeschool their child or children. It's true that some homeschoolers have won the spelling bee. Vegan it seems as though you would blame a lot of your child's problems on others. The last kid that won the spelling bee didn't have any social skills when interviewed on CNN. He barely could hold a conversation. This leads to a child being picked on leading to certian situations(Virginia Tech). What needs to happen is the American tax payers need to get on the officials to spend OUR money the right way. Saudia Arabia has free healthcare and college tuition for their people. On the other hand here we are, a global superpower with the biggest financial debt. I love this country but our leaders would rather cut school funding for minorities and lose as a nation rather than teach everyone equally to create bigger & better business owners to improve this economy.
Not all children who are homeschooled can barely hold a conversation! I homeschooled my daughter for 8 years and she is very social, not a bit shy!

WE are either born shy or we are not!!!!
I went to public school all of my childhood years and would be considered barely having social skills!!!!! Why? because I am shy and not a public speaker!! Homeschooling is the best thing a parent can do! Why? because you can teach them morals...right from wrong that many parents who work 40 hrs. or more a week and leave others to raise their children cannot or don't do!!!!!!!!
futuremrsjonas

Fresno, CA

#17 Nov 27, 2007
dudes- ok, i homeschool, im on my second year, and im in seventh grade. i hate it, but i have more choices and much more oportunity in social life, i have less stress, and more opportunity to follow my dreams as a song writer and preformer. fromw a homeschooler herself, i have NO idea what you are blabbing on about me having no social skills. that's ONE FRIKIN' kid! i take on adults in my everyday life in the social ladder. and you're a hypocrite for saying the kid doesn't have social skills because obviously you dont either, john!
futuremrsjonas

Fresno, CA

#18 Nov 27, 2007
oh, and parents, give your kids a break! let them have friends of all sorts, it's ok if they're exposed to something and other people. do baby birds always stay in the nest with their mom? NO! they go and fly and find their floch and mate. it's the same with kids. dont give someone life, if you're either going to ruin it, or not let them live it! what's so bad about tv and video games?
concerned citizen

United States

#19 Nov 28, 2007
you can not replace the social interaction a child receives at a reguler public or private school I come into contact with kids on almost a daily basis with volunter work I do the home school kids lack social skills and you can tell it is obvious they do not interact very often with society
futuremrsjonas

Fresno, CA

#20 Nov 29, 2007
um, usually it's not our choice, but partially i agree, i started 2 years ago, but had tons of friends that i still have. when you meet the lifers from homeschool, in middleschool they still think the other gender has cooties. there is something wrong with that.
Blackberry

Middlesbrough, UK

#21 Nov 30, 2007
john wrote:
<quoted text>
Not all children who are homeschooled can barely hold a conversation! I homeschooled my daughter for 8 years and she is very social, not a bit shy!
WE are either born shy or we are not!!!!
I went to public school all of my childhood years and would be considered barely having social skills!!!!! Why? because I am shy and not a public speaker!! Homeschooling is the best thing a parent can do! Why? because you can teach them morals...right from wrong that many parents who work 40 hrs. or more a week and leave others to raise their children cannot or don't do!!!!!!!!

In a perfect world I'm sure we'd all homeschool our children, only we know what is best. However, I think the best thing a parent can do no matter where their child gets educated is let them know they're loved and teach them right or wrong regardless.
I don't have the qualifications to do so and I can't afford someone to do it for me not to mention my career....

sorry but I slightly disagree

“Trying to raise a good man!”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#22 Jan 17, 2008
thank you, that's what i posted in reply to someone talking about homeschooled children will be 'damned' in socialization. my kid is 7. i just put him in school to 'play' with other kids. he's not 'socially inept' as one person put it. i agree-some people are just shy!
john wrote:
<quoted text>
Not all children who are homeschooled can barely hold a conversation! I homeschooled my daughter for 8 years and she is very social, not a bit shy!
WE are either born shy or we are not!!!!
I went to public school all of my childhood years and would be considered barely having social skills!!!!! Why? because I am shy and not a public speaker!! Homeschooling is the best thing a parent can do! Why? because you can teach them morals...right from wrong that many parents who work 40 hrs. or more a week and leave others to raise their children cannot or don't do!!!!!!!!

“Trying to raise a good man!”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#23 Jan 17, 2008
depends on what types and how long you let your child be entertained by them
futuremrsjonas wrote:
oh, and parents, give your kids a break! let them have friends of all sorts, it's ok if they're exposed to something and other people. do baby birds always stay in the nest with their mom? NO! they go and fly and find their floch and mate. it's the same with kids. dont give someone life, if you're either going to ruin it, or not let them live it! what's so bad about tv and video games?

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