Cockfighting legal or not?
4humanrights

San Mateo, CA

#223 Feb 2, 2013
http://decaturdaily.com/stories/Jury-5-defend...
Jury: 5 defendants not guilty in cockfighting trial
By Nancy Glasscock
MOULTON — Five men on trial in connection with the 2011 raid of a suspected cockfight were found not guilty on all charges today by a Lawrence County jury.

Joseph Lynn Holmes, 36, of Hanceville; Larry Dale McCroy, 53, of Hanceville; Zackary Clay McLeroy, 33, of Cullman; James Russell Garnett, 34, of Vinemont; and Grady Darrel McCroy, 54, of Cullman faced charges of cruelty to animals and gambling on cockfighting in connection to the August 2011 raid.

Testimony began Tuesday and concluded with only one witness being called, Lawrence County Drug Task Force investigator Shannon Holland. Holland testified that through a confidential informant, he received information about a cockfight held at the edge of Bankhead National Forest at a residence off Lawrence County 81.

He said that, as an undercover investigator, he attended the event held in a barn Aug. 6 through Aug. 7. He said an admission charge was required to enter, and gamecocks fought in an octagon-shaped ring with bleachers and chairs on both sides. He testified he saw several dead and injured gamecocks and saw all the defendants handling the birds before or during fights.

The jury viewed video Holland captured on his cellphone of a cockfight and of injured birds.

But the defendants’ attorney, Mark Dutton of Moulton, said throughout the trial the cruelty charges do not apply because they stem from a cockfight on private property, which he said is not illegal. He said historical figures such as Andrew Jackson, George Washington and Abraham Lincoln participated in cockfighting.“Honest Abe,” he said, earned his nickname for his honesty in cockfighting matches.

Gamecocks, which are school mascots, he said, are “bred to be aggressive, and they are aggressive.”

“This is a sport, and it has been recognized as a sport for 6,000 years,” he said.

He argued other activities, such as baiting deer and hunting from a tree stand, or hog hunting, where he said dogs grasp hogs’ testicles, causing the hogs to stand still while a hunter cuts their throats, are considered cruel by some, but are not illegal.

Dutton also argued gamecocks are not animals, according to Webster’s dictionary, because they do not have four legs or fur.

An animal, according to “Webster’s New World Dictionary,” Third College Edition, is “any living organism, excluding plants and bacteria.”

Lawrence County District Attorney Errek Jett said cockfighting isn’t a sport, and that hunting is legal. Though the cockfight was at a residence, the event wasn’t private and was open to the public, he said, adding that Holland was able to attend though he knew no one there other than an informant.

Lawrence County Circuit Judge Mark Craig included in his instructions to the jury for deliberation that chickens and other fowl are animals.

Larry McCroy said after testimony concluded he disagreed with Craig’s instructions stating chickens are animals.
Harvey levin wrote:
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You are full of chicken poop. It is a federal law against cockfighting because of gambling. Federal means Alabama too. You are misinformed or making up your own laws. Are you by any chance an Obama?

Since: Jan 13

Oxford, MS

#224 Feb 3, 2013
Looky here wrote:
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They could have told you that dinosaurs lived there and made it legal and you would have bought that too.
Do you not see you make yourself look
Like a fool. Minding people's business? You really need help.
The do gooders and the meddlesome busybodies, are not the cockfighters. It is the ones meddling in the cockfighters business. Legal??? Illegal??? It is splitting hairs either way. Slavery used to be legal. That did not make it right. Cockfighting is very misunderstood and illegal. That does not make it wrong. It's here today and it's here to stay. If you don't like it don't attend the events.
really

Ripley, MS

#225 Feb 3, 2013
CrowBot wrote:
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The do gooders and the meddlesome busybodies, are not the cockfighters. It is the ones meddling in the cockfighters business. Legal??? Illegal??? It is splitting hairs either way. Slavery used to be legal. That did not make it right. Cockfighting is very misunderstood and illegal. That does not make it wrong. It's here today and it's here to stay. If you don't like it don't attend the events.
I only hope that when the day cometh that there is law here not corrupt enough to be bought off by your kind that you are there to witness law with balls. Your kind talks smack till it comes down to the ball cutting and then you sing like a soprano.
cockfighter

Tucker, GA

#226 Feb 3, 2013
Harvey levin I don't understand what you are saying? You said, "You are full of chicken poop. It is a federal law against cockfighting because of gambling. Federal means Alabama too. You are misinformed or making up your own laws. Are you by any chance an Obama?" I did not know it was just bc of gambling is why it is against federal law? I thought it would be more along the lines of bc certain people think it is cruel to animals. And any reasonable and educated person knows that federal law trumps all other law so that's wasted text. I believe 4humanrights and CrowBot are extremely correct in their statements and facts in their threads. These activities and hobbies we love so passionatly should not be criticized immaturely. I speak for every fighter when I say this is not a joke to any one of us. DO NOT COMMENT ANY MORE unless you have more sophisticated expression of judgement!! We are proud of the heritage we preserve in our birds!
true

Tucker, GA

#227 Feb 3, 2013
Idiots! All of you for talking about this on this site!!!!!
Big Al Cap On

Belden, MS

#228 Feb 3, 2013
I just hope no one finds out about all that cash money being thrown around. I saw more cash there than I did in Vegas. The diamond rings and watches alone are a fortune.

See if somebody who like to rob people knew how much CASH$$$$$ was there they would bring them guns like Bama says no one can have and rob everybody. That crack fight is way out in the sticks and nobody would have a chance.

Here's the deal for all you cock fighters. There's money, drugs, alcohol, and who knows what else. Bringing scum in to bet on chickens and it all leads to trouble. You enjoy yourself until the Feds bust your ass. They are there and attending the event. Your little show is on its way out. One day about 25 shotguns will be pointed at you and handcuffs on your hands. Then yo ass is going to jail and you gonna be convicted. So getting robbed is the least of your worries. So you keep a sharp eye out and don't trust anyone who is watching you. They have even flown one of those little spy planes over and you never saw it. All tag numbers have been recorded as well.

Your Alabama court verdict was a trumped up deal. Cruelty to animals just means anything not human or at least that's the way it is going to be argued when you go to TC court so don't try that smooth talking line here it ain't gonna work.
People are sick of this and are doing something about it. Bring your friends and tell everybody come on down.
Big Al Cap On

Belden, MS

#229 Feb 3, 2013
true wrote:
Idiots! All of you for talking about this on this site!!!!!
What site do you want us to talk about on you ignorant POS?
F L K

United States

#231 Feb 4, 2013
Big Al Cap On,

Cash being thrown around? Bets are rarely above $20! Diamond rings and gold watches i lol bc that's funny! There is more money in a Casino and one out of hundred people at a show might be so rich that they like showing off what they have and does not care who sees it! People are like that every where and it's ridiculous to mock those people bc you may not have the money to flaunt the same. But yes you are very correct when you say there is money there. You me nobody refuses to admit the truth of cash being at the main. But hey what difference is that? I have cash on me when I go to the grocery store. Drugs and alcohol at these mains are not permitted when respected owners run the show! And go ahead and say drugs and alchohol are there any way... Kids are taking drugs and alcohol and guns and knifes and ect. in schools today and you are worried about a few adults doing what adults do? I'm not sure anyone of us understand your logic. But truly in my heart don't believe people are fed up with this sport because not many people understand the bond we have for our birds. I go thru great lengths to meet and exceed the standard health of poultry. I raise a bird for two years and seeing him over thousands of exchanges knowing that his life can be taken with in just a few seconds of a fight. You began then to learn that fight is the smallest part of the ritual we preserve. It may be small but it's the combination of all the efforts. I believe your deepest fear is not that are lacking in the quality of life, but that you are afraid of being wrong when you attend a real main with respectable gentle and their fowl blow you away with their heart, determination, and gameness. These birds are powerful beyond measure.
Big Al Cap On

Belden, MS

#232 Feb 4, 2013
Cash at the grocery store is not like a bunch of people in the woods together numnuts! You can see why you defend something known to be illegal because you are so stupid. There's more than $20 too. When I saw it there was hundreds in people's hands. It's not a damn sport it is a way to gamble. Understand dufus? Gambling is what the whole thing is.

Ok! Take away the gambling and continue your damn heritage.

Since: Feb 13

#233 Feb 4, 2013
Looky here wrote:
Cockfighting is illegal in ALL 50 states.
There's no such thing as Indians owning land and having legal fights, no Indian reservation having legal fights, you cannot say your land was on an ancient reservation, you cannot buy land or sell land to an Indian or dn Indian tribe and make it legal. It is a crime.
You cannot make it right by saying it brings business to your town. You cannot ride around and be buddies with sheriff and make it legal IT IS ILLEGAL AND A CRIME in the entire USA except for one small spot in the southern end of a small county in Mississippi.
You are allowed to bring in illegal Mexicans to work and while there they are not illegal. You can sell drugs if you like because that is legal on that spot of ground. You are immune to all laws of the state and federal government as well as the KGB and United Kingdom.
I love this fight. My kind of place. Just throwing around some hundreds puts a big smile on my face. Small cover charge, come as you like. Ummm hmmm I just love this old cockfight.
Cockfighting IS legal in louisiana and texas.
Big Al Cap On

Belden, MS

#234 Feb 6, 2013
rtony68 wrote:
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Cockfighting IS legal in louisiana and texas.
You may think its legal in Texas and la. But listen close.....It is illegal in the entire ISA it is federal crime meaning all states.

He'll man even on TV Steven Seagal arrested a man in LA. For fighting roosters.?

Illegal in the entire USA Earlier you said it was legal in Ripley and then everywhere. You are going down the Feds have your tag number and your pictures and know what and where you are
Everyday. So enjoy your jail time. Put a cork in your ass. All that money and people wanting it out in the woods maybe Obama took Away their AK47
Then again maybe not. Remember don't argue and lay still.
hjdf

Tucker, GA

#235 Feb 6, 2013
Big Al Cap On wrote:
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You may think its legal in Texas and la. But listen close.....It is illegal in the entire ISA it is federal crime meaning all states.
He'll man even on TV Steven Seagal arrested a man in LA. For fighting roosters.?
Illegal in the entire USA Earlier you said it was legal in Ripley and then everywhere. You are going down the Feds have your tag number and your pictures and know what and where you are
Everyday. So enjoy your jail time. Put a cork in your ass. All that money and people wanting it out in the woods maybe Obama took Away their AK47
Then again maybe not. Remember don't argue and lay still.
you are the biggest idiot i've ever heard on here besides harvey!!!! Get a life you little bitch!!!!!
hot cup of tea

Olive Branch, MS

#236 Feb 7, 2013
Pay Harvey no mind deah. He's just another wankah with no balls honey. Tends to make him a bit irritable at times dear love.
dummy for you

Olive Branch, MS

#237 Feb 7, 2013
CrowBot wrote:
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The do gooders and the meddlesome busybodies, are not the cockfighters. It is the ones meddling in the cockfighters business. Legal??? Illegal??? It is splitting hairs either way. Slavery used to be legal. That did not make it right. Cockfighting is very misunderstood and illegal. That does not make it wrong. It's here today and it's here to stay. If you don't like it don't attend the events.
took war to stop slavery too
slasser

Atlanta, GA

#239 Feb 9, 2013
Al state laws reference a canine.not a chicken!
Popcorn Sutton ghost

Pearl, MS

#240 Feb 9, 2013
http://abcnews.go.com/m/story...

This is from 2006..... Pretty much gets to the point head on. Good at stating facts without emotion or opinion.

After reading this link following the others, I hope your initial judgements may have turned.....
Country

United States

#241 Feb 10, 2013
Whats the point of busting chicken fights hsus kills the dam roosters in a worse way !
Yea i guess gas chambers arent cruel you df?
betcha

Ripley, MS

#242 Feb 10, 2013
Country wrote:
Whats the point of busting chicken fights hsus kills the dam roosters in a worse way !
Yea i guess gas chambers arent cruel you df?
do you fight for love of the fight or love of the bet
4humanrights

San Mateo, CA

#244 Feb 11, 2013
Check out ASPCA/HSUS( Sponsors to all anti-cockfighting laws) RACKETEERING SCAM!

http://dailycaller.com/2012/12/28/aspca-pays-...
The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals has agreed to pay the parent company of the Ringling Bros. Circus $9.3 million to settle allegations that the animal group conspired to pay a witness for false testimony in a 12-year lawsuit over the treatment of circus elephants.

Feld Entertainment, the circus’s operator, said Friday that the settlement resolves the ASPCA’s part in paying Tom Rider, the star witness procured by a larger group of animal advocacy organizations, to testify falsely about abuse he claimed to have witnessed at the hands of circus trainers. That lawsuit was first brought into federal court in 2000.

The payment releases the ASPCA from liability related to a racketeering counter-suit Feld brought against the animal organizations in 2007 after documents turned over in discovery showed that the plaintiffs made payments — often through a nonprofit managed by their lawyers — to Rider.

The defendants included the ASPCA, the Fund for Animals, the Animal Welfare Institute and the Animal Protection Institute United with Born Free USA. The Humane Society of the United States also became a defendant when it merged with the Fund for Animals in 2005.

Evidence in the trial showed that some of the funds paid to the nonprofit pass-through group were provided by the Humane Society of the United States with a check signed by its CEO, Wayne Pacelle.

Friday’s settlement, Feld said in a statement, does not release any of the other defendants from the suit, based on the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO). Rider is also a co-defendant, as are the attorneys involved.

Two of those lawyers, Jonathan Lovvorn and Kimberly Ockene, now work for the Humane Society of the United States but practiced law at Meyer Glitzenstein & Crystal during some of the years the original lawsuit wound its way through the courts. The firm’s principals — Katherine Meyer, Eric Glitzenstein and Howard Crystal — are also RICO defendants, along with their nonprofit Wildlife Advocacy Project, the organization that paid Rider $190,000 over a period of two years.

“Our firm has been defending Feld Entertainment against this onslaught of misguided litigation brought by animal activist groups for years. As their attorneys, it is gratifying to finally have a settlement that begins to make up for the harm inflicted on this company, the family who owns it, and its employees,” said John Simpson of Fulbright & Jaworski L.L.P., the lead counsel for Feld Entertainment.

ASPCA President & CEO Ed Sayres issued a statement Friday in which he said his group “concluded that it is in the best interests of the organization to resolve this expensive, protracted litigation.”

He noted that a federal judge never ruled on the merits of the 2000 case, which alleged the Ringling Bros. Circus violated the Endangered Species Act by importing and breeding elephants for its circuses.(RELATED VIDEO: Animal rights at the circus: TheDC puts activists’ claims to the test)

Sayres did not address the suit or his organization’s role in paying its chief witness. He did concede, however, that the litigation “stopped being about the elephants a long time ago.”

ASPCA spokeswoman Emily Schneider told The Daily Caller that the group “does not admit to any liability or wrongdoing.”

The Center for Consumer Freedom, a business-funded nonprofit that has crossed swords with animal rights groups for more than a decade, said Friday that the Humane Society of the United States in particular will have trouble explaining its participation in the alleged RICO conspiracy.

Funds paid to Rider through that group’s co
Boomer Sooner

United States

#245 Feb 21, 2013
Thought you dumbass meddlers were gonna rob us, been waiting on ya. Bring it on in, and we will take it to the edge. Cock-a-doodle-doo. OH-YEAHHHHH. It will never end. Gamecocks fight for dominance. They weren't, bred that way. God created them that way. And my roosters aren't on steroids or any other kind of drugs, like you people who know nothing about the Gamecock, think they are. I have lots of Gamecock friends, and none of their birds are drugged up either. You meddlers just need to mind your own business. I'm as game as my Roosters, so when you feel froggy, "Jump". We will have you all Jumping all over the place. Payback is a bitch.

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