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http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
Actually it sounds more a libtard website to me.

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
If you read the above posts you will see I "quoted" (notwithstanding ChickButt's claim of plagiarism) a libtard website about climate change. If you wanna harp on global warming, educate yourself.

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g... you read the posts I made from a libtard website and come away uninformed, you are an idiot. I've always had my suspicion about you.

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
These libtards are funny.
I quote a libtard website that debunks what they say and they go into the Doberman mode.
The libtards in this thread are runaways from libtardism, going out on a rotten limb.
You must be referring to the Original Libertards, more commonly known as Libertarians. You know those folks that believe in the stacked-deck market approach to all the problems we face.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Committe...
The Committee For A Constructive Tomorrow (CFACT) was founded in 1985. It does policy and lobbying work on the environment from a libertarian perspective. It touts itself as a conservative answer to the Public Interest Research Groups (e.g. NYPIRG, ConnPIRG et al.), progressive lobbying groups concerned with environmental issues....

In December 2009 CFACT was a co-organiser of the Copenhagen Climate Challenge, a conference for climate change skeptics to co-incide with the COP15 climate change conference.

http://www.cfact.org/about/
In 1985, the Committee For A Constructive Tomorrow (CFACT) was founded to promote a positive voice on environment and development issues. Its co-founders, David Rothbard and Craig Rucker, believed very strongly that the power of the market combined with the applications of safe technologies could offer humanity practical solutions to many of the world’s pressing concerns.

http://www.climatedepot.com/about/
Marc Morano, former Communications Director for the Senate Environment & Public Works Committee and senior aide, speechwriter, and climate researcher for Senator James Inhofe (R-OK), is the executive editor and chief correspondent for ClimateDepot.com , a pioneering climate and eco-news center. The news effort, begun in April 2009, is a special project of the Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow (CFACT)...
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google this: James Inhofe climate change quotes
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Climate Depot Special Report: A-Z Climate Reality Check
By Marc Morano - Climate Depot
December 7, 2011 6:16 AM
http://www.climatedepot.com/2011/12/07/climat...
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(Probable source of your cut and paste extravaganza)
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REVEALED: Donors Trust is the secret ATM machine for climate deniers
Aliya Haq | 15 February 2013
http://www.polluterwatch.com/category/freetag...

A new Greenpeace analysis released today shows that Donors Trust, a shadowy funding vehicle, has laundered $146 million in climate denial funding from 2002 to 2011.

In addition, a Center for Public Integrity report released yesterday illustrates the efforts of Donors Trust to set up conservative media megaphones in state capitals. Today, the Guardian reported that these ideological media outlets have been instrumental in anti-climate fights at the state level. These include state and regional attacks against wind power, solar power, and carbon pollution reduction programs.

As climate denial funding from traceable Big Oil sources like Exxon and the Koch brothers is declining, the anonymous money funneled through Donors Trust is skyrocketing.
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Scott wrote:
<quoted text>So, you call Aggies post moronic then you go on to post an incredibly moronic post.

I have to ask you:

What grade are you in school?

Do your write for the school paper?

Are you one of those students who wears all black along with makeup and a Goth style haircut?

Do you keep to yourself all the time.

Do you believe everyone hates you?

Do you or your parents own several guns?

Do you despise your teachers because you think they are all stupid?

Not really trying to pry into your personal life, just really wonder what is going on with you?
No worries.

Nothing to hide.

Generally happy and successful guy.
Happily married.
Lots of friends.
Slowly balding.
Own 23 firearms,(in safes).
Marine.
Retired LEO.
Part of charity that trains LEOs and Lawyers in Costa Rica and Columbia.
B.A., M.A., J.D.
Still have dinners with several law school professors.
Good health.
Very active.
Operate a consulting business in Florida and Central and South America.
Resident of Union County,(on a beautiful little mountain).
Own property in SW Florida and Central and South America.
Traveled 4 continents.
Several kids - all have done and doing fine (knock on wood)- close family.

Here's the thing.

Right Wingers, using fear, hatred, and intimidation have swung our country so close to Fascism that we don't even question:

- sending thousands of our troops to die, and spending Trillions of Dollars in unnecessary and counter-productive wars;

- tax policies guaranteed to cause the greatest income disparity in modern history;

- a federal budget that spends more on making war than the rest of the industrialized world combined;

- labor policies that result in the highest profits and productivity in modern history for corporations and constantly declining income for the employees who create that profit and productivity;

- defunding public education to the point we rank far behind Finland and South Korea;

- the executive branch of government overtly claiming the right to assassinate American citizens, and to kidnap, torture, and kill anyone, anywhere in the world they decide needs to die.

These are just the plain self-defeating counter-productive facts.

How can average Americans possibly accept these circumstances as "normal" ? They don't - when they are pointed out.

Someone has to stand up to this lunacy and point out that it is lunacy and that what the Right Wing Wackos claim to be "American" is the absolute antithesis of everything America and its Constitution stand for.

Thankfully, it's pretty easy to do, and being a multi-tasker, I typed this while listening in on a phone conference involving 4 attorneys and 5 investors. Never had to say a word.

What about you ?

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Wahhhhh, wahhhhhh, wahhhh
Right Wingers might have to actually pay for something themselves instead of being deadbeat parasites.
They might have to buy medical insurance instead of forcing the rest of us to give them their government Medicare, or just pay for their medical bills when they walk away from their doctor and hospital charges.
Damn, from unfunded wars, to unfunded tax cuts, to stealing free medical care.... Do Right Wingers ever pay for anything ?
No wonder you and ChicknButt get along so well, you both have serious reading comprehension issues.
I have posted at the bottom the website that the govt provides, so I assume you won't say it's a suspect source.-(hmm, don't know, you think every source that doesn't parrot you is paid for by "big oil.")
This covers things like copays, glasses, dental, and other dependent care expenses etc.(while also having a boatland of exemptions and hoops to jump to qualify) and there WAS a $5,000/year cap on how much could go in, but Obamacare both lowers the cap to $2,500/year and includes a "use it or lose it" requirement so that anything that isn't used in the year, the employee FORFEITS.
Which on a completely different tangent is EXACTLY like the govt - there is no benefit for not spending the money you put away to cover potential unexpected medical/dental/or other dependent care expenses - you know, being RESPONSIBLE. Instead, it is just like the baseline budgeting that the govt uses and that means at the end of the fiscal year in September, the govt offices go on a spending spree to spend money that could other wise go back into the govt coffers.

"Right Wingers might have to actually pay for something themselves instead of being deadbeat parasites."
That's the whole point, moron. They are trying to pay for their expenses themselves, instead of being a typical Democrat voter and sitting on their backsides waiting for their govt checks to come in.

"Do Right Wingers ever pay for anything ?"
That's the problem, we pay for everything - and still contribute more to charity than the oh, so self-righteous Left.

https://www.fsafeds.com/fsafeds/index.asp
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Aggie23 wrote:
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http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
... A Flexible Savings Account is paid for with money the employee EARNS, the only benefit is that it is not subject to payroll taxes. The typical use is for dependent children's medical expenses, but it can also be used for senior dependent care. There are a number of hoops that must be jumped through to qualify. As Bored said, this will especially hurt families with special needs children. You know, the ones you claim Conservatives don't care about - well, it's Obama's policies hurting them here.
Yeah, what Bored "said" was lifted from somewhere else...

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/09/2011-tax-inc...
The "Special Needs Kids Tax" This provision of Obamacare imposes a cap on flexible spending accounts (FSAs) of $2500 (Currently, there is no federal government limit). There is one group of FSA owners for whom this new cap will be particularly cruel and onerous: parents of special needs children. There are thousands of families with special needs children in the United States, and many of them use FSAs to pay for special needs education. Tuition rates at one leading school that teaches special needs children in Washington, D.C.(National Child Research Center) can easily exceed $14,000 per year. Under tax rules, FSA dollars can be used to pay for this type of special needs education.
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The "special needs kids tax" refers to a cap of $2,500 that the new law places on spending from FSAs.(See pages 74 to 77 of JCT’s technical explanation.) The argument made in the e-mail is that "many" families with special needs children now use FSAs to pay tuition at private schools catering to special needs children, schools that ATR says "can easily exceed $14,000 per year" in Washington, D.C. Perhaps so. IRS rules do allow use of FSA funds to pay for such expenses with pre-tax dollars. But the e-mail message offers no evidence of how many families might be taking advantage of this tax break currently. The claim is copied from the website of Americans for Tax Reform, but as ATR itself says: "For most people, the $2500 cap won’t be noticed." As ATR concedes, FSAs "tend to be used for things like small deductibles, co-payments, eyeglasses, over-the-counter medicines, and laser eye surgery." The amount deferred in the typical FSA is probably much less than $2500 today, ATR says. The JCT expects the change will bring in $13 billion over 10 years, but says nothing about how much of that is likely to come from the pockets of parents of special needs children.

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Do Right Wingers have the faintest idea what a "working American" makes and what their "disposable" income actually is ?
What knuckleheads.
You really just exploded your own argument there, Einstein. The people who get the most out of this are the Middle Class. They get to put away $5,000/ year - oops, just $2,500/ year, Thanks Obama-with pre-tax dollars to cover expenses that are not covered by their medical insurance or that are related to dependent care- which can include daycare, since to qualify both parents must be working (though that word might have to be defined for the typical Democrat voter - never mind, you have to be WORKING to set this money aside, so again, a non-issue for the average Democrat voter).

And back to Bored's original point, this was a great way for the parents of special needs children to be able to afford special care and schooling for their children, not so much now. But, hey, the parents can always QUIT working and QUIT being responsible for themselves and their children and possibly their dependent senior parents and so qualify for all those benefits the typical Democrat voter gets - do you like that idea better?

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Oh my wrote:
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Yeah, what Bored "said" was lifted from somewhere else...
http://www.factcheck.org/2010/09/2011-tax-inc...
The "Special Needs Kids Tax" This provision of Obamacare imposes a cap on flexible spending accounts (FSAs) of $2500 (Currently, there is no federal government limit). There is one group of FSA owners for whom this new cap will be particularly cruel and onerous: parents of special needs children. There are thousands of families with special needs children in the United States, and many of them use FSAs to pay for special needs education. Tuition rates at one leading school that teaches special needs children in Washington, D.C.(National Child Research Center) can easily exceed $14,000 per year. Under tax rules, FSA dollars can be used to pay for this type of special needs education.
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The "special needs kids tax" refers to a cap of $2,500 that the new law places on spending from FSAs.(See pages 74 to 77 of JCT’s technical explanation.) The argument made in the e-mail is that "many" families with special needs children now use FSAs to pay tuition at private schools catering to special needs children, schools that ATR says "can easily exceed $14,000 per year" in Washington, D.C. Perhaps so. IRS rules do allow use of FSA funds to pay for such expenses with pre-tax dollars. But the e-mail message offers no evidence of how many families might be taking advantage of this tax break currently. The claim is copied from the website of Americans for Tax Reform, but as ATR itself says: "For most people, the $2500 cap won’t be noticed." As ATR concedes, FSAs "tend to be used for things like small deductibles, co-payments, eyeglasses, over-the-counter medicines, and laser eye surgery." The amount deferred in the typical FSA is probably much less than $2500 today, ATR says. The JCT expects the change will bring in $13 billion over 10 years, but says nothing about how much of that is likely to come from the pockets of parents of special needs children.
Also from the same website you referenced:
Obamacare Flexible Spending Account Cap: As of Jan. 1, the 30-35 million Americans who use a pre-tax Flexible Spending Account (FSA) at work to pay for their family’s basic medical needs face a new government cap of $2,500. This will squeeze $13 billion of tax money from Americans over the next ten years.(Before Obamacare, the accounts were unlimited under federal law, though employers were allowed to set a cap.).... Needless to say, this tax will especially impact middle class families.

So what is your point, special needs families are being hurt, middle class families are being hurt - just exactly how do you see that this as a good thing?

Oh, and I should clarify - I said earlier the cap was $5,000, that was only if the employer set a cap. If the employer didn't object, there was no cap - that would really have helped families who knew ahead of time of large expenses they would need to plan for - not any more.

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Informed Opinion wrote:
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1.Right Wingers, using fear, hatred, and intimidation have swung our country so close to Fascism that we don't even question:

2. tax policies guaranteed to cause the greatest income disparity in modern history;

3. defunding public education to the point we rank far behind Finland and South Korea;
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4. the executive branch of government overtly claiming the right to assassinate American citizens, and to kidnap, torture, and kill anyone, anywhere in the world they decide needs to die.

5.Someone has to stand up to this lunacy and point out that it is lunacy and that what the Right Wing Wackos claim to be "American" is the absolute antithesis of everything America and its Constitution stand for.
Let's look at a few of your points:
1. Fascism - a system of government marked by centralization of authority - Nope, that's the Democrat ideal, definitely not the Republican/Conservative view.
-Fear and Hate - also a weapon of the Left - disagree with Obama- you're just a bigot and a "HATER"
-Want to preserve the integrity of the voting process - one of the hallmarks of this country- by requiring an ID to prove that someone is who they say they are before they cast that precious vote -( you know that same ID you have to show to cash a government check or to buy alcohol ) and suddenly you are trying to deprive someone of the right to vote - Give me a break.

2. Tax policies that are making it harder and harder for the middle class to achieve a higher standard of living - we can thank the Democrats. Tax policies that are making it harder and harder for businesses large and small to grow and thus employ more people and thus enable those people to better their lives - again, thanks Democrats

3. Defunding education - we plow more and more into education every year and our students are getting more and more left behind. DC with the highest per student outlay on education in the country also has the worst graduation rates in the country. More money is obviously not the answer. A complete overhaul is the answer - and it needs to begin with decentralization and breaking the stranglehold the teachers' unions have on the educational system.

4. Oh, you mean the drone strikes that Obama has used upwards of 283 (as of Sept 2012 according to CNN) more than 6 times the number Bush authorized. And Obama wanting to use them WITHIN the US borders.

5. If only the Democrats respected the Constitution instead of trying to shred it at every turn.
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Oh my wrote:
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Climate Depot Special Report: A-Z Climate Reality Check
By Marc Morano - Climate Depot
December 7, 2011 6:16 AM
http://www.climatedepot.com/2011/12/07/climat...
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(Probable source of your cut and paste extravaganza)
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REVEALED: Donors Trust is the secret ATM machine for climate deniers
Aliya Haq | 15 February 2013
http://www.polluterwatch.com/category/freetag...
A new Greenpeace analysis released today shows that Donors Trust, a shadowy funding vehicle, has laundered $146 million in climate denial funding from 2002 to 2011.
In addition, a Center for Public Integrity report released yesterday illustrates the efforts of Donors Trust to set up conservative media megaphones in state capitals. Today, the Guardian reported that these ideological media outlets have been instrumental in anti-climate fights at the state level. These include state and regional attacks against wind power, solar power, and carbon pollution reduction programs.
As climate denial funding from traceable Big Oil sources like Exxon and the Koch brothers is declining, the anonymous money funneled through Donors Trust is skyrocketing.



You've been busy, you get an atta-boy. But your efforts fail to undermine the premise that global climate change is not caused by man.

What you have done is shown a libtard will go to any length to imply a 1% causation by man equals a 100% climate disaster. Hyperbole is normally IO's characteristic personality, have you now decided to become another hyperbolee?


"SPECIAL REPORT: More Than 1000 International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims – Challenge UN IPCC & Gore"

"The well over 1,000 dissenting scientists are almost 20 times the number of UN scientists (52) who authored the media-hyped IPCC 2007 Summary for Policymakers."

http://www.climatedepot.com/2010/12/08/specia...


" U.S. Senate Report: Over 400 Prominent Scientists Disputed Man-Made Global Warming Claims in 2007

"Senate Report Debunks "Consensus"

" The new report issued by the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee's office of the GOP Ranking Member details the views of the scientists, the overwhelming majority of whom spoke out in 2007.

Even some in the establishment media now appear to be taking notice of the growing number of skeptical scientists. In October, the Washington Post Staff Writer Juliet Eilperin conceded the obvious, writing that climate skeptics "appear to be expanding rather than shrinking." Many scientists from around the world have dubbed 2007 as the year man-made global warming fears "bite the dust." (LINK) In addition, many scientists who are also progressive environmentalists believe climate fear promotion has "co-opted" the green movement."


http://www.epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm...


And many other sires can be quoted, but why even bother if someone insists 1% equals 100%.

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No worries.
Nothing to hide.
Generally happy and successful guy.
Happily married.
Lots of friends.
Slowly balding.
Own 23 firearms,(in safes).
Marine.
Retired LEO.
Part of charity that trains LEOs and Lawyers in Costa Rica and Columbia.
B.A., M.A., J.D.
Still have dinners with several law school professors.
Good health.
Very active.
Operate a consulting business in Florida and Central and South America.
Resident of Union County,(on a beautiful little mountain).
Own property in SW Florida and Central and South America.
Traveled 4 continents.
Several kids - all have done and doing fine (knock on wood)- close family.
Here's the thing.
Right Wingers, using fear, hatred, and intimidation have swung our country so close to Fascism that we don't even question:
- sending thousands of our troops to die, and spending Trillions of Dollars in unnecessary and counter-productive wars;
- tax policies guaranteed to cause the greatest income disparity in modern history;
- a federal budget that spends more on making war than the rest of the industrialized world combined;
- labor policies that result in the highest profits and productivity in modern history for corporations and constantly declining income for the employees who create that profit and productivity;
- defunding public education to the point we rank far behind Finland and South Korea;
- the executive branch of government overtly claiming the right to assassinate American citizens, and to kidnap, torture, and kill anyone, anywhere in the world they decide needs to die.
These are just the plain self-defeating counter-productive facts.
How can average Americans possibly accept these circumstances as "normal" ? They don't - when they are pointed out.
Someone has to stand up to this lunacy and point out that it is lunacy and that what the Right Wing Wackos claim to be "American" is the absolute antithesis of everything America and its Constitution stand for.
Thankfully, it's pretty easy to do, and being a multi-tasker, I typed this while listening in on a phone conference involving 4 attorneys and 5 investors. Never had to say a word.
What about you ?
That's a very impressive resume.

I regret to inform you that we do not currently have any positions open which might parallel your experience. However, we will keep your application on file should anything arise in the near future.

What about me? I am a student at U. of Kentucky where I am a Senior. I have been accepted at Georgia's School of Veterinary Medicine where I will attend this Fall. I am a Navy vet.

Since you will accuse me of "slurping" up Government benefits, I am paying for my school myself by working along with help from the G.I. Bill. Yes, both Kentucky and Georgia schools receive Government grants.

I don't believe everything I read nor everything I hear.

I believe there is enough hypocrisy in this country to go around whether Republican or Democrat. The nation's problems, as serious as they are, are not caused by the American people but, by those we elect to serve us in Washington. That includes Obama and both houses of Congress on both sides. It is sad to see the great divide in our country by all of us who can argue all day long, but, in the end, all we have is our vote. I am a Conservative and I believe in Conservative principles but respect the views of others even when I don't agree.

I am asst. manager in a supermarket and work most weeks 6 days. I am able to work around the requirements of my studies thanks to a great boss. I drive an old, beat up Ford that uses way too much gas and even the dents are dented. I enjoy life and look forward to better days ahead for our country.

My grandmother lives in Blairsville. It is a great place that I like to visit as often as possible.

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.... you won't say it's a suspect source.-(hmm, don't know, you think every source that doesn't parrot you is paid for by "big oil.")
Actually, the only ones we think are paid for by big-oil and big-coal are the ones that we've PROVEN are paid for by big-oil and big-coal.

Which happens to be every single one that you right-wing-fascists have put up as a source to deny man-made global climate change.

Every single one.
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Yeah, what Bored "said" was lifted from somewhere else...
http://www.factcheck.org/2010/09/2011-tax-inc...
The "Special Needs Kids Tax" This provision of Obamacare imposes a cap on flexible spending accounts (FSAs) of $2500 (Currently, there is no federal government limit). There is one group of FSA owners for whom this new cap will be particularly cruel and onerous: parents of special needs children. There are thousands of families with special needs children in the United States, and many of them use FSAs to pay for special needs education. Tuition rates at one leading school that teaches special needs children in Washington, D.C.(National Child Research Center) can easily exceed $14,000 per year. Under tax rules, FSA dollars can be used to pay for this type of special needs education.
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The "special needs kids tax" refers to a cap of $2,500 that the new law places on spending from FSAs.(See pages 74 to 77 of JCT’s technical explanation.) The argument made in the e-mail is that "many" families with special needs children now use FSAs to pay tuition at private schools catering to special needs children, schools that ATR says "can easily exceed $14,000 per year" in Washington, D.C. Perhaps so. IRS rules do allow use of FSA funds to pay for such expenses with pre-tax dollars. But the e-mail message offers no evidence of how many families might be taking advantage of this tax break currently. The claim is copied from the website of Americans for Tax Reform, but as ATR itself says: "For most people, the $2500 cap won’t be noticed." As ATR concedes, FSAs "tend to be used for things like small deductibles, co-payments, eyeglasses, over-the-counter medicines, and laser eye surgery." The amount deferred in the typical FSA is probably much less than $2500 today, ATR says. The JCT expects the change will bring in $13 billion over 10 years, but says nothing about how much of that is likely to come from the pockets of parents of special needs children.

Factcheck.org , Ha-ha-ha.
A libtard using a libtard website to feed him the bs he lives on.
ROFL.

At least ChickenButt makes his posts obvious left leaning with tongue in cheek. You and IO take seriously the crap you are fed and believe every word of it without question.


"If you wanted to use a devious method to deceive people who are trying to differentiate between truth and lies on the Internet how would you do it? If you were extremely devious and had no conscience, you might set up a Web site with some official and unbiased sounding name that claims to be the encyclopedia of truth to be used as a tool for anyone who has the same biased view and wants to make believe to "back it up" with what they would like you to think is "indisputable fact."

That is exactly what Web sites like factcheck.org are. They are biased, politically motivated propaganda Web sites, manned and funded by biased political organizations who set up the sites for the sole purpose of deviously "backing up" the political arguments of those who hold the same views that they do. It's kind of like you have a friend who is in on your lie, and you use him to back up your story and don't tell anyone else he is your friend."
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Flexible Spending Accounts Getting Slightly Less Flexible
By Andrew Villegas
KHN Staff Writer
APR 05, 2010
http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Stories/2010/...

...FSA's typically work like this: Your employer regularly takes pre-tax money out of your paycheck and you can use it during the year to pay for qualified medical expenses. The only catch is, if you don't use it, you lose it. Employers set how much employees may contribute each year -- typically up to $5,000 depending on the size of the business.

Edwin Park, a senior fellow at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, says FSAs encourage people to overuse the health care system since they can't roll over any unused balance from the previous year. They're often left scrambling at year's end to buy things they don't need or to see the doctor when they don't need to, he explained.

"It's encouraging a whole host of services whether they were medically needed or not," he said.

Now, lawmakers have changed the way flexible spending accounts are treated in order -- they say -- to discourage wasteful health care spending at the end of the year. The government will now cap annual contributions to FSAs at $2,500 and consumers will no longer be able to use the accounts to purchase over-the-counter medications such as allergy medicine or aspirin without a doctor's prescription.

According to Park, the new health law is designed to subsidize the cost of insurance and set standards of coverage to limit the out-of-pocket costs to people, which were the reason the FSAs were envisioned in the first place -- to help people pay for medical expenses with tax-free dollars. That protection is less likely to be needed as people receive help from the government in other ways to pay their medical bills, he said.

But others argue that the change will not drive down health system costs. "It's a revenue raiser. There's nothing sophisticated about it at all," said Joe Antos, a health economist with the American Enterprise Institute.

The change will raise revenue for the government by reducing the amount of money people can set aside pre-tax -- meaning that they pay taxes on more of their salary.

The Joint Committee on Taxation estimated that the change would increase government revenue to help offset the costs of the health reform law by $18 billion over 10 years -- a fraction of the $409 billion in federal revenues that the entire overhaul is expected to generate....
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Actually, the only ones we think are paid for by big-oil and big-coal are the ones that we've PROVEN are paid for by big-oil and big-coal.
Which happens to be every single one that you right-wing-fascists have put up as a source to deny man-made global climate change.
Every single one.

Looks like I was wrong about you in post 8409. You deny 1000 scientists outnumber 52 U.N. numbskull scientists? You think Gore is a scientist?

ROFL.
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Oh my wrote:
Flexible Spending Accounts Getting Slightly Less Flexible
By Andrew Villegas
KHN Staff Writer
APR 05, 2010
http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Stories/2010/...
...FSA's typically work like this: Your employer regularly takes pre-tax money out of your paycheck and you can use it during the year to pay for qualified medical expenses. The only catch is, if you don't use it, you lose it. Employers set how much employees may contribute each year -- typically up to $5,000 depending on the size of the business.
Edwin Park, a senior fellow at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, says FSAs encourage people to overuse the health care system since they can't roll over any unused balance from the previous year. They're often left scrambling at year's end to buy things they don't need or to see the doctor when they don't need to, he explained.
"It's encouraging a whole host of services whether they were medically needed or not," he said.
Now, lawmakers have changed the way flexible spending accounts are treated in order -- they say -- to discourage wasteful health care spending at the end of the year. The government will now cap annual contributions to FSAs at $2,500 and consumers will no longer be able to use the accounts to purchase over-the-counter medications such as allergy medicine or aspirin without a doctor's prescription.
According to Park, the new health law is designed to subsidize the cost of insurance and set standards of coverage to limit the out-of-pocket costs to people, which were the reason the FSAs were envisioned in the first place -- to help people pay for medical expenses with tax-free dollars. That protection is less likely to be needed as people receive help from the government in other ways to pay their medical bills, he said.
But others argue that the change will not drive down health system costs. "It's a revenue raiser. There's nothing sophisticated about it at all," said Joe Antos, a health economist with the American Enterprise Institute.
The change will raise revenue for the government by reducing the amount of money people can set aside pre-tax -- meaning that they pay taxes on more of their salary.
The Joint Committee on Taxation estimated that the change would increase government revenue to help offset the costs of the health reform law by $18 billion over 10 years -- a fraction of the $409 billion in federal revenues that the entire overhaul is expected to generate....

What a dummy.
Obamacare raises healthcare costs, most elected demos are seeing the light and know obamacare could cost them an election.

Individual costs for insurances rises while FSA limits are reduced to get more tax revenue.

Perhaps some you libtards can tell us how this helps the middle class? The same ones you keep saying you are trying to protect.
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Aggie23 wrote:
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Let's look at a few of your points:
1. Fascism - a system of government marked by centralization of authority - Nope, that's the Democrat ideal, definitely not the Republican/Conservative view.
-Fear and Hate - also a weapon of the Left - disagree with Obama- you're just a bigot and a "HATER"
-Want to preserve the integrity of the voting process - one of the hallmarks of this country- by requiring an ID to prove that someone is who they say they are before they cast that precious vote -( you know that same ID you have to show to cash a government check or to buy alcohol ) and suddenly you are trying to deprive someone of the right to vote - Give me a break.
This is nothing more than complete BS. No need to get any more technical with it than that.
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Let's look at a few of your points:

2. Tax policies that are making it harder and harder for the middle class to achieve a higher standard of living - we can thank the Democrats. Tax policies that are making it harder and harder for businesses large and small to grow and thus employ more people and thus enable those people to better their lives - again, thanks Democrats
HAHAHAHAHA!!!! OMG You're funny! Yeah, lowering taxes on the wealthy creates more jobs! LOL. And unicorns flew out my butt this morning. That myth has been debunked so many times so many ways that there simply aren't any more ways to say it. Cutting taxes on the wealthy makes the wealthy MORE wealthy, and middle-class poorer.

Same old tired disproven Republican policies that America has had enough of.
Aggie23 wrote:
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Let's look at a few of your points:

3. Defunding education - we plow more and more into education every year and our students are getting more and more left behind. DC with the highest per student outlay on education in the country also has the worst graduation rates in the country. More money is obviously not the answer. A complete overhaul is the answer - and it needs to begin with decentralization and breaking the stranglehold the teachers' unions have on the educational system.
Yep. More tired Republican policy here. AND an anti-union (which means anti-worker) jab. Useless. If there's one thing this country needs it's better education. This Topix zAQ2222 might not have accomplished much, but it's definitive proof of that.
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Let's look at a few of your points:

4. Oh, you mean the drone strikes that Obama has used upwards of 283 (as of Sept 2012 according to CNN) more than 6 times the number Bush authorized. And Obama wanting to use them WITHIN the US borders.
After most terrorists fled Afghanistan into Pakistan the US was left with a significant problem. Let the terrorists get away or invade an "allied nation" with nuclear capabilities. The drone program is happening after a deal with Pakistan was agreed on. It's proven to be a brilliant and effective solution.

Did you SEE the Republicans stance on Foreign Policy during the 2008 and 2012 Presidential debates? Do you see the results Dubyas foreign policy stance? Come up with something that isn't laughable, then come talk.
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5. If only the Democrats respected the Constitution instead of trying to shred it at every turn.
This is nothing more than redneck posturing, and the whole slogan was developed by the Tea Party, which was manufactured by big-oil and corporate interests. Republicans literally want to turn this country into a Corporatocracy to please their masters.

Your hyperbole is just getting sadder and sadder.
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"That is exactly what Web sites like factcheck.org are. They are biased, politically motivated propaganda Web sites, manned and funded by biased political organizations who set up the sites for the sole purpose of deviously "backing up" the political arguments of those who hold the same views that they do. It's kind of like you have a friend who is in on your lie, and you use him to back up your story and don't tell anyone else he is your friend."


Now who would those be here on topix? Hmmmmmmmmmmm.
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Bored wrote:
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Looks like I was wrong about you in post 8409. You deny 1000 scientists outnumber 52 U.N. numbskull scientists? You think Gore is a scientist?
ROFL.
http://karenknowsbest.com/wp-content/uploads/...
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Bored wrote:
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http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
"SPECIAL REPORT: More Than 1000 International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims – Challenge UN IPCC & Gore"
"The well over 1,000 dissenting scientists are almost 20 times the number of UN scientists (52) who authored the media-hyped IPCC 2007 Summary for Policymakers."
IPCC errors: facts and spin
Filed under: Climate Science Communicating Climate IPCC Reporting on climate skeptics
14 February 2010
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives...

Currently, a few errors –and supposed errors– in the last IPCC report (“AR4&#8243;) are making the media rounds – together with a lot of distortion and professional spin by parties interested in discrediting climate science....

Let’s start with a few basic facts about the IPCC. The IPCC is not, as many people seem to think, a large organization. In fact, it has only 10 full-time staff in its secretariat at the World Meteorological Organization in Geneva, plus a few staff in four technical support units that help the chairs of the three IPCC working groups and the national greenhouse gas inventories group. The actual work of the IPCC is done by unpaid volunteers – thousands of scientists at universities and research institutes around the world who contribute as authors or reviewers to the completion of the IPCC reports. A large fraction of the relevant scientific community is thus involved in the effort. The three working groups are:

Working Group 1 (WG1), which deals with the physical climate science basis, as assessed by the climatologists, including several of the Realclimate authors.

Working Group 2 (WG2), which deals with impacts of climate change on society and ecosystems, as assessed by social scientists, ecologists, etc.

Working Group 3 (WG3), which deals with mitigation options for limiting global warming, as assessed by energy experts, economists, etc.

Assessment reports are published every six or seven years and writing them takes about three years. Each working group publishes one of the three volumes of each assessment. The focus of the recent allegations is the Fourth Assessment Report (AR4), which was published in 2007. Its three volumes are almost a thousand pages each, in small print. They were written by over 450 lead authors and 800 contributing authors; most were not previous IPCC authors. There are three stages of review involving more than 2,500 expert reviewers who collectively submitted 90,000 review comments on the drafts. These, together with the authors’ responses to them, are all in the public record (see here and here for WG1 and WG2 respectively).
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Just wondering where a rational person
might turn for their information...

RealClimate
Climate Science from climate scientists
http://www.realclimate.org/

-- OR --

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Committe...
The Committee For A Constructive Tomorrow (CFACT) was founded in 1985. It does policy and lobbying work on the environment from a libertarian perspective. It touts itself as a conservative answer...

http://www.climatedepot.com/about/
Marc Morano, former Communications Director for the Senate Environment & Public Works Committee and senior aide, speechwriter, and climate researcher for Senator James Inhofe (R-OK), is the executive editor and chief correspondent for ClimateDepot.com , a pioneering climate and eco-news center. The news effort, begun in April 2009, is a special project of the Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow (CFACT)...
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