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jeb stuart wrote:
<quoted text>great posts from you,synergy,zoltar and informed opinion.and a great idea about the superpacs,but even if this is done,we still have to try to do something about the lobbyists influencing all politicicans.more rational thoughts like these could eventually lead to a step in proper direction,whether in the right left or middle.
Lobbiests ARE a major part of the problem. As I stated, even the politicians we thought would represent us well have fallen for the lure. It seems they get caught up in the perks and then all bets are off. It's frustrating and disappointing.
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<quoted text>Well, it can be considered hypocritical if one criticizes a system, but then uses said criticized system to his advantage.

Not judging. Just pointing out.
Feel free to consider it so.

I'll disagree agreeably.

That's America - opinions are free.
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Jan 23, 2013
 
I will support you.
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Synergy wrote:
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Lobbiests ARE a major part of the problem. As I stated, even the politicians we thought would represent us well have fallen for the lure. It seems they get caught up in the perks and then all bets are off. It's frustrating and disappointing.
Your post is true, but incomplete; Do you know what a "bag man" is? That's all a lobbiest is, "gofors," "bag men (and women)" shuttling money from their masters to the political pocket.

The "perks" aren't the main reason why people go into politics to begin with; they're dishonest, greedy and run for office to get rich quick.

To get elected, they make promises, then when they win, hand out excuses and as long as they can keep us divided into two camps, they get away with it.
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I tried to get help for a problem with the VA from Issakson. Him and his staff did nothing but make the problem worse. After repeated calls I was hung up on because the 'adult' conservation the Repubs asked for was to much for them to handle. So, Issakson sicc'ed the FBI and the GBI on me for exercising my 1st Amendment while they refused to represent for me. A decorated disabled Green Beret. All you Republican bastards can kiss my ass.
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I tried to get help for a problem with the VA from Issakson. Him and his staff did nothing but make the problem worse. After repeated calls I was hung up on because the 'adult' conservation the Repubs asked for was to much for them to handle. So, Issakson sicc'ed the FBI and the GBI on me for exercising my 1st Amendment while they refused to represent for me. A decorated disabled Green Beret. All you Republican bastards can kiss my ass.
Why do I NOT believe you?
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Why do I NOT believe you?
Because your one of those stupid ignorant Repubs? Go ask the Gordon County Sheriff's dept who falsely asked for an interview about another matter. Then, sprung the FBI and GBI agents on me.
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BTW that is my real name and I'll gladly give you my address if you want to speak in person?

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My full name look it up on Facebook, most of my military records are there for all to view.
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Because your one of those stupid ignorant Repubs? Go ask the Gordon County Sheriff's dept who falsely asked for an interview about another matter. Then, sprung the FBI and GBI agents on me.
No, it's because I'm a Doubting Thomas and you sound like a fruit-loop with a big chip on your shoulder about something. IF, and it's a big if, the GCSO alerted the GBI and FBI about you, it's probably because you made a threat. They don't like that. Nobody does.

You know of course, that your military service record, even your MOS can be verified over the internet. It's public information (sans certain identifying information like SS number, DOB and POB, and medical file). It cuts down on the number of people who fly false colors.

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ur devaluing fruit loops and potato chips by using them in the same sentence as this nut job.

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Jan 24, 2013
 
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ur devaluing fruit loops and potato chips by using them in the same sentence as this nut job.
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My most sincere and humble apology. ;-)

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Jan 24, 2013
 
Lived there wrote:
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Your post is true, but incomplete; Do you know what a "bag man" is? That's all a lobbiest is, "gofors," "bag men (and women)" shuttling money from their masters to the political pocket.
The "perks" aren't the main reason why people go into politics to begin with; they're dishonest, greedy and run for office to get rich quick.
To get elected, they make promises, then when they win, hand out excuses and as long as they can keep us divided into two camps, they get away with it.
I've not heard the term "bag man", but it certainly describes their task.
I truly think SOME people become politicians because they want to help, THEN all the back slapping, special treatment, gifts, etc., goes to their head and it's downhill from there. They get caught up in their own importance and their allegiance becomes diluted. Your last sentence is spot on!
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I've not heard the term "bag man", but it certainly describes their task.
I truly think SOME people become politicians because they want to help, THEN all the back slapping, special treatment, gifts, etc., goes to their head and it's downhill from there. They get caught up in their own importance and their allegiance becomes diluted. Your last sentence is spot on!
The term originated I think, back in the roaring 20s and had/has reference to people who, in the employ of organized crime families, real estate developers and agents, sometimes just ordinary business people (for protection) and very frequently lawyers, hand delivered grocery bags of cash to politicians, judges and the police.

Today it references facilitators, typically lobbyists, who instead of cash, "arrange" for wire transfers of money to off-shore, usually corporate numbered accounts in the Cayman Islands and Belize, in which case the recipient is almost always shown on a tax filing as a "consultant firm" to whoever is sending the money. Since neither country has a banking disclosure treaty with the US, there's no way the IRS can dispute the transactions in an audit or a court of law.

Drug money (cash) is handled differently. There a courier is employed, usually an aide or family member of the politician. As a "diplomatic courtesy," they pass through customs without inspection or having to declare the cash upon entering either country.

On a state or local level, since it doesn't involve nearly as much money, the procedures are far less sophisticated but still involve family members who technically receive the money for consulting services or, on the lowest level, often just a check or checks. If only a few thousand dollars are involved, cash is the easiest way to do it.

In another context, a "bag man" is someone who does breaking and entering to either steal something specific or leave something behind, like a clandestine listening device (a bug).

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No, it's because I'm a Doubting Thomas and you sound like a fruit-loop with a big chip on your shoulder about something. IF, and it's a big if, the GCSO alerted the GBI and FBI about you, it's probably because you made a threat. They don't like that. Nobody does.
You know of course, that your military service record, even your MOS can be verified over the internet. It's public information (sans certain identifying information like SS number, DOB and POB, and medical file). It cuts down on the number of people who fly false colors.
Go for it peckerwood, That's my full name, I served 78-82 and my last job and duty station was Battalion Armorer for the 2nd Bat. of the 7th Special Forces Group Ft. Bragg NC. I don't hide behind a alias and I'll send you my address anytime you want to come knock that chip off.

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Jan 24, 2013
 
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No, it's because I'm a Doubting Thomas and you sound like a fruit-loop with a big chip on your shoulder about something. IF, and it's a big if, the GCSO alerted the GBI and FBI about you, it's probably because you made a threat. They don't like that. Nobody does.
You know of course, that your military service record, even your MOS can be verified over the internet. It's public information (sans certain identifying information like SS number, DOB and POB, and medical file). It cuts down on the number of people who fly false colors.
PS GCSD didn't do crap, never have never will, a part of that chip you speak of. I used the word 'event' that was what the FBI agent said our visit was about. While his GBI partner displayed his lack of prep and knowledge by being surprised I knew how make a field-expedient explosive device. Our elected officials funked reading comprehension.
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Donald, I might understand. Thank you for your service to your country, and upholding the fundamentals.

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Lived there wrote:
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The term originated I think, back in the roaring 20s and had/has reference to people who, in the employ of organized crime families, real estate developers and agents, sometimes just ordinary business people (for protection) and very frequently lawyers, hand delivered grocery bags of cash to politicians, judges and the police.
Today it references facilitators, typically lobbyists, who instead of cash, "arrange" for wire transfers of money to off-shore, usually corporate numbered accounts in the Cayman Islands and Belize, in which case the recipient is almost always shown on a tax filing as a "consultant firm" to whoever is sending the money. Since neither country has a banking disclosure treaty with the US, there's no way the IRS can dispute the transactions in an audit or a court of law.
Drug money (cash) is handled differently. There a courier is employed, usually an aide or family member of the politician. As a "diplomatic courtesy," they pass through customs without inspection or having to declare the cash upon entering either country.
On a state or local level, since it doesn't involve nearly as much money, the procedures are far less sophisticated but still involve family members who technically receive the money for consulting services or, on the lowest level, often just a check or checks. If only a few thousand dollars are involved, cash is the easiest way to do it.
In another context, a "bag man" is someone who does breaking and entering to either steal something specific or leave something behind, like a clandestine listening device (a bug).
Thank you, Lived There. I appreciate you taking the time to explain the term. Very interesting and informative.:)

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bored monitor wrote:
ur devaluing fruit loops and potato chips by using them in the same sentence as this nut job.
Jes Sayin
Unlike you I don't hide my location or my name and the VA head shrinker said I'm not crazy,other than the fact I live up to the standards you sheeple indoctrinated me with. A man is supposed to have honor and integrity something sadly lacking in sheeple like yourself. Also, many of you forget this is a 'Fighting Words' state, meaning you say the wrong thing to me I'm perfectly within my rights to beat the crap outta you. Georgia is a state full of stupid ignorant children, I've lived here all my life, I know. As children, you were supposed to learn,'sticks and stones, etc'. The unspoken part goes,'Nor cause me to do harm'! I live that, but lay a hand on me and I'll put you in the hospital if your lucky.
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Lived there wrote:
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The term originated I think, back in the roaring 20s and had/has reference to people who, in the employ of organized crime families, real estate developers and agents, sometimes just ordinary business people (for protection) and very frequently lawyers, hand delivered grocery bags of cash to politicians, judges and the police.
Today it references facilitators, typically lobbyists, who instead of cash, "arrange" for wire transfers of money to off-shore, usually corporate numbered accounts in the Cayman Islands and Belize, in which case the recipient is almost always shown on a tax filing as a "consultant firm" to whoever is sending the money. Since neither country has a banking disclosure treaty with the US, there's no way the IRS can dispute the transactions in an audit or a court of law.
Drug money (cash) is handled differently. There a courier is employed, usually an aide or family member of the politician. As a "diplomatic courtesy," they pass through customs without inspection or having to declare the cash upon entering either country.
On a state or local level, since it doesn't involve nearly as much money, the procedures are far less sophisticated but still involve family members who technically receive the money for consulting services or, on the lowest level, often just a check or checks. If only a few thousand dollars are involved, cash is the easiest way to do it.
In another context, a "bag man" is someone who does breaking and entering to either steal something specific or leave something behind, like a clandestine listening device (a bug).
good post!one of the most famous of the original ones was frank"greasy thumbs"gusak,he was al capones' accountant(for lack of a better description).

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