'Intimacy invasion' led to suicide

'Intimacy invasion' led to suicide

There are 27 comments on the www.dailyrecord.com story from Oct 11, 2010, titled 'Intimacy invasion' led to suicide. In it, www.dailyrecord.com reports that:

By MARK M. BECKWITH and GEORGE E. COUNCELL We write as Christian pastors who are privileged to serve as bishops of The Episcopal Church in the Diocese of Newark and in the Diocese of New Jersey in order to express our grief, alarm, compassion and outrage over the suicide of Tyler Clementi.

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Since: Jun 07

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#1 Oct 11, 2010
In our Episcopal tradition, whenever we reaffirm our faith in worship, we are given a challenging question: "will you respect the dignity of every human being?" And we answer, "I will, with God's help." It is an important commitment.

This is why we do what we do....
T McCabe

Fayetteville, TN

#2 Oct 11, 2010
What is not mentioned in this article but was in the New York Times story is the fact that the dead student had not only talked to both the appropriate faculty/administrator for student housing but his RA (Resident Advisor) about the danger of his roommate. He wanted to change rooms since his roommate had been threatening him.

He fear was ignored.

He is dead.

Where is Christ Jesus in this story?

Christ Jesus is holding the dead young man in His arms saying: I love you.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#3 Oct 11, 2010
T McCabe wrote:
What is not mentioned in this article but was in the New York Times story is the fact that the dead student had not only talked to both the appropriate faculty/administrator for student housing but his RA (Resident Advisor) about the danger of his roommate. He wanted to change rooms since his roommate had been threatening him ...
Excerpted from Rutgers: Housing and Residence Life

Living with a Roommate

"Living with a roommate can be a challenging experience ...

"The key to a successful roommate relationship is honest and open communication: This should start from the moment you move into the residence halls, and continue throughout your entire roommate relationship. Rutgers Residence Life requires all students to complete roommate agreements. Your Resident Assistant/Apartment Assistant will coordinate this process with you.

"When establishing an agreement on how you will live successfully together, think about the issues that are important to you, as well as the expectations that you have for a roommate. Some things to consider discussing are:

"... How will you manage issues of overnight visitation? Do you have different feelings about same sex verses different sex visitation? How frequently will this be permitted, and are their guidelines that you can set with a roommate to make this situation manageable? Is this something that you are simply not comfortable with?..."

I wonder if a "roommate agreement" was ever worked out between these two students and their RA?
Frank Stanton

New York, NY

#4 Oct 11, 2010
Selecia Jones- JAX FL wrote:
In our Episcopal tradition, whenever we reaffirm our faith in worship, we are given a challenging question: "will you respect the dignity of every human being?" And we answer, "I will, with God's help." It is an important commitment.
This is why we do what we do....
We have a similar statement that we explicity affirm in the United Church Of Christ.
Frank Stanton

New York, NY

#5 Oct 11, 2010
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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Excerpted from Rutgers: Housing and Residence Life
Living with a Roommate
"Living with a roommate can be a challenging experience ...
"The key to a successful roommate relationship is honest and open communication: This should start from the moment you move into the residence halls, and continue throughout your entire roommate relationship. Rutgers Residence Life requires all students to complete roommate agreements. Your Resident Assistant/Apartment Assistant will coordinate this process with you.
"When establishing an agreement on how you will live successfully together, think about the issues that are important to you, as well as the expectations that you have for a roommate. Some things to consider discussing are:
"... How will you manage issues of overnight visitation? Do you have different feelings about same sex verses different sex visitation? How frequently will this be permitted, and are their guidelines that you can set with a roommate to make this situation manageable? Is this something that you are simply not comfortable with?..."
I wonder if a "roommate agreement" was ever worked out between these two students and their RA?
I'm very surprised that it was difficult for him to change roommates or dorm rooms.

I attended a university for 3-1/2 years, and only had a problem with a roommate that forced a change, just once. I met a guy who was in a couple of my classes, and I decided to move into his dorm room. We notifed the university administration, and they just noted that fact in their records. There was no one we had to go thru, or hassle. And this was 35 years ago.
T McCabe

Fayetteville, TN

#6 Oct 12, 2010
Joe DeCaro wrote:
<quoted text>
Excerpted from Rutgers: Housing and Residence Life
Living with a Roommate
"Living with a roommate can be a challenging experience ...
"The key to a successful roommate relationship is honest and open communication: This should start from the moment you move into the residence halls, and continue throughout your entire roommate relationship. Rutgers Residence Life requires all students to complete roommate agreements. Your Resident Assistant/Apartment Assistant will coordinate this process with you.
"When establishing an agreement on how you will live successfully together, think about the issues that are important to you, as well as the expectations that you have for a roommate. Some things to consider discussing are:
"... How will you manage issues of overnight visitation? Do you have different feelings about same sex verses different sex visitation? How frequently will this be permitted, and are their guidelines that you can set with a roommate to make this situation manageable? Is this something that you are simply not comfortable with?..."
I wonder if a "roommate agreement" was ever worked out between these two students and their RA?
The RA never responded to the request.

The faculty also didn't respond.

Joe -

I know that in your Church of Rome state of mind many immoral things can be accepted as OK.

A priest can molest an underage child. That is a popular form of Church of Rome moral standards in action.

Bishops can cover-up sex crimes for decades and be advanced in their careers, that is a really popular Church of Rome game. Ask Cardinal Law and his two Papal sponsors.

However, can you really be such a barbarian that you can't see that the guy that took the picture did something offensive to any civilized person on the planet?

Of course you can, it is a Church of Rome moral duty to protect the abuser and punish/blame the victim.
Think Again

Clayton, NC

#7 Oct 12, 2010
T McCabe wrote:
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I know that in your Church of Rome state of mind many immoral things can be accepted as OK.
Those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. I believe Bennison is still a bishop in TEC.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#8 Oct 12, 2010
T McCabe wrote:
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The RA never responded to the request.
The faculty also didn't respond ...
Do you have a link for these claims?

If true, it may explain why Clementi's roommate took matters into his own high-tech hands.
T McCabe

Fayetteville, TN

#9 Oct 13, 2010
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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Do you have a link for these claims?
If true, it may explain why Clementi's roommate took matters into his own high-tech hands.
New York Times and Associated Press - let your fingers to the walking.
Think Again

Clayton, NC

#10 Oct 13, 2010
T McCabe wrote:
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The RA never responded to the request.
The faculty also didn't respond.
You read the news like you read the Bible.....selectively.

http://blogs.forbes.com/kashmirhill/2010/10/0...

"Clementi posted on the forum that he told his resident advisor about Dharun Ravi’s spying on him on the night of September 21st. On the morning of September 22nd — the day Clementi committed suicide — he wrote on JustUsBoys at 6:17 a.m.:

[The RA] seemed to take it seriously…
he asked me to email him a written paragraph about what exactly happened…
I emailed it to him, and to two people above him…."

Clementi never gave the RA a chance to respond before he took his own life.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#11 Oct 13, 2010
T McCabe wrote:
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New York Times and Associated Press - let your fingers to the walking.
In other words, you don't have a link, but since you made the claim, the burden of proof remains on you, not me.
Think Again

Clayton, NC

#12 Oct 13, 2010
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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In other words, you don't have a link, but since you made the claim, the burden of proof remains on you, not me.
Joe,

She is a member of TEC. They make things up constantly and call it fact. There is no proof because as the link above shows, she made it up.
T McCabe

Fayetteville, TN

#13 Oct 14, 2010
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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In other words, you don't have a link, but since you made the claim, the burden of proof remains on you, not me.
LMAO!

Using your own rule book - The Church of Rome's?

The rule book your that your own church uses. The one that allowed the burning of witches? The one that allows heretics and infidels to die by the millions.

No proof was needed in the good old days of Church of Rome glory. If your magisterium said you were guilty - you were guilty. Your church has a very simple rule book.

As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be.
Think Again

Clayton, NC

#15 Oct 14, 2010
T McCabe wrote:
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LMAO!
Using your own rule book - The Church of Rome's?
The rule book your that your own church uses. The one that allowed the burning of witches? The one that allows heretics and infidels to die by the millions.
No proof was needed in the good old days of Church of Rome glory. If your magisterium said you were guilty - you were guilty. Your church has a very simple rule book.
As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be.
How does this address Joe's comment? You need to lay off the wine and give Ken a call to help you out. You are even more incoherent than usual.
T McCabe

Fayetteville, TN

#16 Oct 15, 2010
Think Again wrote:
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How does this address Joe's comment? You need to lay off the wine and give Ken a call to help you out. You are even more incoherent than usual.
LOL - You and Joe are both drunk on your own power trips and you pull 'wine' out of you bag of tricks for me. That is funny. Joe likes to pull that card out of RevKen.

I rarely have a cocktail. However, I have no problem with having one.

My friends love to have me drive them to parties because I don't mind being the 'designated safe driver'.
Think Again

Clayton, NC

#17 Oct 15, 2010
T McCabe wrote:
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LOL - You and Joe are both drunk on your own power trips and you pull 'wine' out of you bag of tricks for me. That is funny. Joe likes to pull that card out of RevKen.
We can't help your posts are incoherent as if they were composed by someone who had dipped into the communion wine once too often.

Since: Aug 09

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#18 Oct 16, 2010
Joe DeCaro wrote:
<quoted text>
Excerpted from Rutgers: Housing and Residence Life
Living with a Roommate
"Living with a roommate can be a challenging experience ...
"The key to a successful roommate relationship is honest and open communication: This should start from the moment you move into the residence halls, and continue throughout your entire roommate relationship. Rutgers Residence Life requires all students to complete roommate agreements. Your Resident Assistant/Apartment Assistant will coordinate this process with you.
"When establishing an agreement on how you will live successfully together, think about the issues that are important to you, as well as the expectations that you have for a roommate. Some things to consider discussing are:
"... How will you manage issues of overnight visitation? Do you have different feelings about same sex verses different sex visitation? How frequently will this be permitted, and are their guidelines that you can set with a roommate to make this situation manageable? Is this something that you are simply not comfortable with?..."
I wonder if a "roommate agreement" was ever worked out between these two students and their RA?
Are you serious?

The boy committed suicide - or didn't you understand that?

Your question shows a stupendous lack of comprehension in this matter.

RK

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#19 Oct 16, 2010
RevKen wrote:
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Are you serious?
The boy committed suicide - or didn't you understand that?...
Tell that to those who insist his roommate and girlfriend be tried for manslaughter, or are you admitting that no one pushed Clementi off the GW bridge?

“Marriage=Love+Co mmitment.....”

Since: Oct 07

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#20 Oct 16, 2010
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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Do you have a link for these claims?
If true, it may explain why Clementi's roommate took matters into his own high-tech hands.
How many times had his roommate and his girlfriend done the same thing in this room Joe?

Since: Oct 09

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#22 Oct 16, 2010
Oops that would be 0. Neither had gay sex in his dorm room
LindaS wrote:
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How many times had his roommate and his girlfriend done the same thing in this room Joe?

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