Roommate charged with hate crime in N...

Roommate charged with hate crime in NJ webcam case

There are 19 comments on the www.greenwichtime.com story from Apr 20, 2011, titled Roommate charged with hate crime in NJ webcam case. In it, www.greenwichtime.com reports that:

TRENTON, N.J. (AP) — A former Rutgers University freshman who prosecutors said used a webcam to spy on his roommate's same-sex encounter was charged Wednesday with a hate crime and accused of deleting tweets and texts to cover up his tracks.

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Since: Dec 08

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#1 Apr 20, 2011
I didn't think they would do it.
WTGYR

Roy, WA

#3 Apr 20, 2011
There shouldn't be any prison time.
Clementi continued with the behavior even after he knew of the room mate training a camera to his side of the room and knowing the images were being disseminated over the web. Clementi complained to other homosexuals on a forum about it but didn't choose to commit suicide for whatever reason until a week later. A reasonably competent defense attorney should be able to sow enough doubt in the minds of the jurors to secure an acquittal on all charges except maybe the gray area of 'invasion of privacy'; even that's rather dubious given the setting and arrangement and especially Clementi's prior knowledge.
Tacky? Yes.
Criminal? No.
All the facts argue for acquittal as correlation, if any, is no proof of causation.
Frank Stanton

New York, NY

#4 Apr 20, 2011
I hope he gets the max for his despicable act.

He DESERVES life in prison with no chance of parole in solitary confinement in a 4 foot by 4 foot by 4 foot cell, with a single radio that only plays "100 Bottles Of Beer On The Wall" 24 hours a day, every day, until he dies of old age at 114 years old.

Since: Dec 08

Toronto, ON, Canada

#5 Apr 20, 2011
I know I will get clobbered for this, but I am not quite sure the hate crime charge is apropos here. I don't think hate was the motivating force but rather sadistic pleasure in a stupid prank without realizing its consequence.

Not to excuse what they did, however.
Frank Stanton

New York, NY

#6 Apr 20, 2011
JohnInToronto wrote:
I know I will get clobbered for this, but I am not quite sure the hate crime charge is apropos here. I don't think hate was the motivating force but rather sadistic pleasure in a stupid prank without realizing its consequence.
Not to excuse what they did, however.
How can "sadistic pleasure" NOT be hate ?! If you torture someone because it gives you "sadistic pleasure" isn't that one definition of hate ?!
Frank Stanton

New York, NY

#7 Apr 20, 2011
Why not simply charge him under federal law with violating this young man's FEDERAL civil rights ? Conviction on THAT crime can result in a sentence of life in prison.

Since: Mar 11

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#8 Apr 20, 2011
fr wtgyf:

>...All the facts argue for acquittal as correlation, if any, is no proof of causation<

COMPLETELY wrong. The roommate NEEDS to be tried, convicted, and sentenced to a loooong prison term, so he can really know that what he and his little bff "friend" did was nothing short of murder.

Since: Mar 11

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#9 Apr 20, 2011
that should be from wtgyr.

“Son of Abraham”

Since: Aug 07

Natural Deviant

#10 Apr 21, 2011
JohnInToronto wrote:
I know I will get clobbered for this, but I am not quite sure the hate crime charge is apropos here. I don't think hate was the motivating force but rather sadistic pleasure in a stupid prank without realizing its consequence.
Not to excuse what they did, however.
I'm not sure if this is correct, but since he was targeted due to his sexuality then it puts it into a classification of "hate crime" even though 'hate' might not had much to do with it.

“Son of Abraham”

Since: Aug 07

Natural Deviant

#11 Apr 21, 2011
Topix really, really needs a way to ignore people who don't bother to register.

“IBM had it right: "Think"”

Since: Mar 07

SF Bay Area Suburbs

#12 Apr 21, 2011
I'm skeptical that this was a hate crime. Invasion of privacy is still criminal, but nothing in the media suggeststhat this was driven by an anti-Gay intention.
Frank Stanton

New York, NY

#13 Apr 21, 2011
Gary47 wrote:
I'm skeptical that this was a hate crime. Invasion of privacy is still criminal, but nothing in the media suggeststhat this was driven by an anti-Gay intention.
It's STILL a civil rights violation, and IF the feds would charge him with violating the federal civil rights of Tyler Clementi, he would face a much stiffer sentence if convicted, INCLUDING the possibility of a 30 year sentence or a sentence of life in prison.

Since: Dec 08

Toronto, ON, Canada

#14 Apr 21, 2011
Frank Stanton wrote:
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How can "sadistic pleasure" NOT be hate ?! If you torture someone because it gives you "sadistic pleasure" isn't that one definition of hate ?!
But not "hate crime" which is defined by the victims membership in a class.

My concern is that if the hate crime charge is applied inappropriatelly, it will become target fodder for the Right.

Since: Dec 08

Toronto, ON, Canada

#15 Apr 21, 2011
McMike wrote:
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I'm not sure if this is correct, but since he was targeted due to his sexuality then it puts it into a classification of "hate crime" even though 'hate' might not had much to do with it.
The question is whether it was because of his sexuality or simply because he was having sex.

“Son of Abraham”

Since: Aug 07

Natural Deviant

#16 Apr 21, 2011
JohnInToronto wrote:
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The question is whether it was because of his sexuality or simply because he was having sex.
It seems like it was due to his sexuality however, from what I understand, the roommate is being charged because he knew what the intimidation would be due to it being a gay encounter.

“IBM had it right: "Think"”

Since: Mar 07

SF Bay Area Suburbs

#17 Apr 22, 2011
Frank Stanton wrote:
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It's STILL a civil rights violation, and IF the feds would charge him with violating the federal civil rights of Tyler Clementi, he would face a much stiffer sentence if convicted, INCLUDING the possibility of a 30 year sentence or a sentence of life in prison.
what is the civil rights violation? Civil rights are limits on the state (or a cabal of people operating with the connivance of the state, as happened with white supremacists in the first half of the last century). Idiots like Tyler's roommate commit an offense again him, but acting on ones stupidity is not a civil rights assault. I also fail to see a hate crime, or a federal issue here.
Frank Stanton

New York, NY

#18 Apr 22, 2011
Gary47 wrote:
<quoted text>what is the civil rights violation? Civil rights are limits on the state (or a cabal of people operating with the connivance of the state, as happened with white supremacists in the first half of the last century). Idiots like Tyler's roommate commit an offense again him, but acting on ones stupidity is not a civil rights assault. I also fail to see a hate crime, or a federal issue here.
He DID violate the his federal civil rights by using the videocamera and webcasting it. It's obviously a federal civil rights violation. Ask the federal Justice Dept. if you doubt me.

Since: Dec 08

Toronto, ON, Canada

#19 Apr 22, 2011
McMike wrote:
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It seems like it was due to his sexuality however, from what I understand, the roommate is being charged because he knew what the intimidation would be due to it being a gay encounter.
That seems to make sense - if he did it because it was specifically a gay sexual encounter and knew the person was not out, then I would agree.

“I love my wife. :)”

Since: Mar 08

Seattle, WA

#20 Apr 22, 2011
JohnInToronto wrote:
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But not "hate crime" which is defined by the victims membership in a class.
My concern is that if the hate crime charge is applied inappropriatelly, it will become target fodder for the Right.
I agree.

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