3 Longwood students injured in Middle...

3 Longwood students injured in Middle Island crash

There are 157 comments on the Newsday story from Feb 6, 2008, titled 3 Longwood students injured in Middle Island crash. In it, Newsday reports that:

A Longwood High School student was critically injured and two of his classmates were hurt but in stable condition after their car struck a puddle and swerved into oncoming traffic in Middle Island, Suffolk ...

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“Liberals: America's Cancer”

Since: Dec 07

Baldwin, NY

#149 Feb 11, 2008
mikey wrote:
for your information "relax" there was an accident at that same spot about an hour before that ok they dont need you preaching to them about driving safer after all the've been through the last couple of days
That's the ticket. Justify your own ignorance with some else's!

“Liberals: America's Cancer”

Since: Dec 07

Baldwin, NY

#150 Feb 11, 2008
relax wrote:
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Ok, so someone else was negligent. Does that comfort you? You choose to ignore it. But don't expect everyone else to react the same. The point is, there is a safe speed to go through a puddle. Depending on the size that could be 30, 20, 10 or 5 MPH. Many people went through that puddle that day, and other rainy days before. To suggest that the driver had no fault at all is ludicrous. If that were so, every car that went through that puddle would lose control. He made a mistake, everyone makes mistakes. But you need to learn from your mistakes. Ignoring it is not the way.
No offense meant.
Ahh common sense. So rare among the younger generations.

“Liberals: America's Cancer”

Since: Dec 07

Baldwin, NY

#151 Feb 11, 2008
Stay strong Nev wrote:
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If you read the original story you be cognizant of the fact that my family member, Kevin, was a passenger in the car, not the driver – and has suffered horrific injuries. Nonetheless, this was an ACCIDENT and should be treated as such. We should be focusing all of our energy on the complete recovery of ALL FOUR of the victims in this terrible accident and not nit-picking, assuming, and criticizing people on what did or did not happen.
I restate my previous sentiment that people who are making fun, and criticizing this situation should be ashamed of themselves… The situation is hard enough... none of the friends and families of the people in this accident should ever have to witness such blatant disrespect. It is atrocious that there are so many heartless people in this world who clearly do not know how to function in a normal society and therefore hide under screen names and live their lives behind a computer.
An ACCIDENT would have been if a tree fell on the car or the brakes failed to work. This was reckless driving. Let's call it what it is so that others can learn from their mistake.
longwood pride

Ronkonkoma, NY

#152 Feb 11, 2008
I believe Kevin is having more surgery tomorrow and my prayers are with him. He was a passenger-a delightful young man on his way to a tournament...He is a teenager not cutting out to do drugs but a boy doing a sport he loves--- a good kind compassionate kid who has respect for people. He and his family do not deserve any of this so leave your unkind words where they should be-silenced. Kevin has a lot of us behind him praying that he will be okay-that the surgeons will be able to put his pelvis and leg back together again so that he may be able to walk again and hopefully bowl, play soccer and tennis again.
These kids were excited about going to a tournament-they were not out for a joy ride ---
If Andrew mad a mistake(and I am not saying he did) then who are we to judge him. Shame on you all. Have you never made an error in judgement.
Same for the woman-if she was going to quickly and was unable to avoid the out of control car then let her have peace as well.

Kevin-Please heal quickly and fully and I pray for your family as well-may they be comforted and at peace.
Hydroplaning is Fun

Farmingdale, NY

#153 Feb 11, 2008
The truth about these kids will eventually come out. Let's see what all you friends and family have to say then. Until then say your prayers and keep your mouth shut

BTW, I have no ill will towards these kids, I hope they all are 100% healthy, but the truth about their actions will come out eventually.

“Only in America...”

Since: Aug 07

New York, NY

#154 Feb 11, 2008
TomIslander wrote:
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An ACCIDENT would have been if a tree fell on the car or the brakes failed to work. This was reckless driving. Let's call it what it is so that others can learn from their mistake.
There is also a difference between reckless driving, and inexperienced driving. Since eyewitness accounts already state that the driver was not speeding, it's pretty safe to say it wasn't reckless driving; as if you have any clue either way, despite your self-proclaimed knowledge of the situation. You went to LHS so now you're an authority on all traffic accidents that take place in the vicinity?

Other than some cheezy 1980 video that the DMV shows you during a 5-hour course, most young drivers have no exposure abnormal situations on the road. Can you or any other know it all here tell me that their heart hasn't skipped a beat once or twice when having the handling of your car upset by a puddle,(whether you know it's there or not) or other condition. There is only a fraction of a second between losing control temporarily, or totally. It's the action taken in that fraction of a second that will determine the outcome. A more experienced driver may have been to keep control of the vehicle even at the same speed (which was NOT over the limit) Some people get the chance to learn these nuances of driving from experience with these conditions, and never have a problem. Others aren't so lucky. Maybe with more experience the driver would have simply gone through the puddle slower, or reacted differently when he felt the car losing control. But considering that you have no clue of what the conditions were at the exact time of the accident, you insistence that this was a result of recklessness has no merit, and is done for no other reason but to inflame the people that have no desire to lay blame at all. Do you know the size of the puddle at the time of the accident? Do you know how hard it was raining at the time of the accident? Do you know what visibility was at the time of the accident? Do you know the exact relationship between the location of the driver’s vehicles, location of the puddle, curvature of the road and the spot where the teenager’s car initially was accelerating? Do you know the speed of the woman’s vehicle, or her location in the lane she was traveling? YOU DON’T KNOW $HIT. Obviously you receive a cheap thrill from professing yourself as better and more knowledgeable and arguing with those whom you speak to anonymously on the internet. You are not the only one... The problem that I see is, that you are not even good at it.

The state needs to consider a stricter pre licensing regiment for first time drivers. The 20 question multiple choice test, a few videos, plus a road test that consists of a right, left, and parallel parking on quiet neighborhood streets, and usually never gets above 35 mph, does not give the newly licensed driver any idea of what they will actually be facing on the road.

And seriously… get a new name bro. You’re just a poor quality knock-off, who’s way out of his league.

“Only in America...”

Since: Aug 07

New York, NY

#155 Feb 11, 2008
TomIslander wrote:
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An ACCIDENT would have been if a tree fell on the car or the brakes failed to work. This was reckless driving. Let's call it what it is so that others can learn from their mistake.
PS... Since you're just being an antagonistic prick for $hits and giggles, and are trying to be cute with how you define an "accident"

A tree falling on the road is not an "accident" it's an "act of god", and brakes failing to work is "mechanical failure" which could be a result of many reasons, some of which are anything but accidental.

“Only in America...”

Since: Aug 07

New York, NY

#156 Feb 11, 2008
Hydroplaning is Fun wrote:
The truth about these kids will eventually come out. Let's see what all you friends and family have to say then. Until then say your prayers and keep your mouth shut
BTW, I have no ill will towards these kids, I hope they all are 100% healthy, but the truth about their actions will come out eventually.
Pretty funny... if you had followed you're own advice to begin with (say your prayers and keep your mouth shut) this dialouge wouldn't have happened, and you wouldn't have exposed yourself for the total a$$ hole that you are.

Actually the truth is out. The only eyewitness gave his statement to the police and this forum, and no summonses were issued. But if you are waiting for an official reiteration of those facts... Then we will see what YOU have to say at that time.

But we know that won't happen, because when there is some official release from the police absolving either driver from fault. You and your post whoring for the sake of reaction, will have long since disappeared, never to be heard from again.... At least not under this screen name

“Only in America...”

Since: Aug 07

New York, NY

#157 Feb 11, 2008
relax wrote:
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Ok, so someone else was negligent. Does that comfort you? You choose to ignore it. But don't expect everyone else to react the same. The point is, there is a safe speed to go through a puddle. Depending on the size that could be 30, 20, 10 or 5 MPH. Many people went through that puddle that day, and other rainy days before. To suggest that the driver had no fault at all is ludicrous. If that were so, every car that went through that puddle would lose control. He made a mistake, everyone makes mistakes. But you need to learn from your mistakes. Ignoring it is not the way.
No offense meant.
We are well aware of the logic you are trying to use, flawed as it may be. I'm sure there indeed was a safe speed to travel through that puddle. An experienced driver probably would have been able to determine that by sight alone based on previous experience. Plenty of others, I'm sure, hit the puddle too fast as well, but did not lose control. Some of those drivers learned a lesson from it, others got a thrill out of it and think their too good of a driver to crash, and some are just oblivious to anything going on, on the road. There's a very good chance that at least one of the two drivers that had accidents within an hour of each other only learned at that moment that the speed they were traveling (legal as it may be) was too much for the conditions. Unfortunately for all involved, it was too late. Either way... inexperience shouldn't be confused with negligence. And "fault", if you insist on placing any, also does not mean there was negligence.
relax

Hauppauge, NY

#158 Feb 12, 2008
Johnny Islander wrote:
<quoted text>We are well aware of the logic you are trying to use, flawed as it may be. I'm sure there indeed was a safe speed to travel through that puddle. An experienced driver probably would have been able to determine that by sight alone based on previous experience. Plenty of others, I'm sure, hit the puddle too fast as well, but did not lose control. Some of those drivers learned a lesson from it, others got a thrill out of it and think their too good of a driver to crash, and some are just oblivious to anything going on, on the road. There's a very good chance that at least one of the two drivers that had accidents within an hour of each other only learned at that moment that the speed they were traveling (legal as it may be) was too much for the conditions. Unfortunately for all involved, it was too late. Either way... inexperience shouldn't be confused with negligence. And "fault", if you insist on placing any, also does not mean there was negligence.
There is a gray line between inexperience and negligence. Only the driver knows for sure. Either way it's not "just an accident" as others have stated.

“Liberals: America's Cancer”

Since: Dec 07

Baldwin, NY

#159 Feb 12, 2008
relax wrote:
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There is a gray line between inexperience and negligence. Only the driver knows for sure. Either way it's not "just an accident" as others have stated.
Agreed.

“Only in America...”

Since: Aug 07

New York, NY

#160 Feb 12, 2008
relax wrote:
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There is a gray line between inexperience and negligence. Only the driver knows for sure. Either way it's not "just an accident" as others have stated.
I guess there really is no such thing as an "accident" then. Which is odd condidering how many incidents are referred to as accidents.
relax

Hauppauge, NY

#161 Feb 13, 2008
Johnny Islander wrote:
<quoted text>I guess there really is no such thing as an "accident" then. Which is odd condidering how many incidents are referred to as accidents.
Good point. In fact, I witnessed another "accident" last night. It was right around the corner from where the kids hit that puddle. Some guy driving in the snow storm while on his cell phone, lost control of his car and hit a tree. I was passing him while he was sliding down the hill. I saw him trying to regain control with one hand while talking on the phone with the other.
Now THAT is a moron!

You have to wonder what it takes to put driving back on top of the priority list.
no way

Dunellen, NJ

#162 Feb 13, 2008
longwood pride wrote:
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Same for the woman-if she was going to quickly and was unable to avoid the out of control car then let her have peace as well.
What the he!! does this mean?
Melissa

Sayreville, NJ

#163 Feb 13, 2008
Tom S wrote:
I wonder how fast they were driving? Puddles don't usually cause accidents like this.
yea they do...it's called hydroplaning. and that occurs even if you're doing 25 mph.
Hydroplaning is Fun

Farmingdale, NY

#164 Feb 13, 2008
Bad day today, no reports of accidents. BUT THE KIDS WERENT DRIVING IMPROPERLY! Please.

“Liberals: America's Cancer”

Since: Dec 07

Baldwin, NY

#165 Feb 14, 2008
Melissa wrote:
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yea they do...it's called hydroplaning. and that occurs even if you're doing 25 mph.
You're a moron. Hydroplaning is impossible at that speed with the weight of that car and the with and tread on those tires. Coefficient of friction, look it up next time before you open your mouth.

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